ISD Judicator (I dig the name) Vs. V Ger (W/ship)

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-04-17 05:14pm

Okay. ISD Judicator is cruising along on a routine patrol, sniffing out federation scum. Yeah, ever since the wormhole rift opened up, Federation incursions into empire space have been growing. Especially since the wormhole only allows travel by federation ships, due to the phase modulation of the warp coil inverters. That is to say, they are in direct opposition to the wormhole's tachyon flux emissions, thus allowing federation ships to act as a neutral body and pass through unimpeded. When suddenly, the Judicators sensors pick up something coming through the wormhole that doesn't register as a federation ship at all....In fact....it seems to be some kind of cloud.....82 AU's across!!!!

The Cloud is closing fast.

Oh hell, there are no reinforcements for DAYS around the wormhole rift! Yes! Due to the remoteness of the wormhole, and some GROSS logistical errors, all imperial ships are at least 3 days from the Judicator.

SHIT! The Judicator's Hyperdrive motivators are offline as well!!! I KNEW they shouldn't have hung out at the space station near bespin for their last Shore leave. Bloody hell.

FLAME ON!

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2004-04-17 06:02pm

V'Ger's most powerful blasts (that we saw, at least) were about 80 times more powerful than the E-Nil's shields (owing to the fact that V'Ger's first attack knocked the Ent down to about 20% shields, and the more powerful versions were about "100 times more powerful" according to Spock). However, since an ISD has shield that are millions or billions times more powerful than the E-Nil's, V'Ger would be able to blast away at the ISD for weeks and do nothing. The ISD would just have to fly into the middle of the cloud, since I don't think turbolasers have 82AU range (IIRC, 82AU is roughly 3 times Neptune's orbit around the sun) and subject V'Ger to a TL bombardment.

Mutant Headcrab · Post by **Mutant Headcrab** » 2004-04-17 08:10pm

I would think that an ISD would quickly lay waste to V'Ger itself. However, I wonder what V'Gers reaction would be. Do you think it would short itself trying to figure out why it can't "digitize" this mysterious flying space wedge?

As for the voting, castrating Straha sounds like the more fun option

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2004-04-17 08:34pm

A Mon Cal Cruiser was able to hit a Yuuzhan Vong worldship in orbit above Coruscant from outside the system. If V'ger doesn't weave around in the cloud—a safe assumption—the Judicator should be able to hit it with no problems. Judicator wins.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2004-04-17 08:39pm

the judicator can fire a weapon 41 AU's into the cloud? Impressive. I'm sure V'ger would have time to react...

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-04-17 09:10pm

Jon wrote:the judicator can fire a weapon 41 AU's into the cloud? Impressive. I'm sure V'ger would have time to react...

Reacting, no doubt, by creating bizarre hallucinogenic patterns of blue clouds.

I remember TPM

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-04-17 10:18pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:A Mon Cal Cruiser was able to hit a Yuuzhan Vong worldship in orbit above Coruscant from outside the system. If V'ger doesn't weave around in the cloud—a safe assumption—the Judicator should be able to hit it with no problems. Judicator wins.

If you are referring to the NJO incident, in Rebel Dream, that was a special starfighter, the "pipefighter".

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2004-04-17 10:55pm

YT300000 wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:A Mon Cal Cruiser was able to hit a Yuuzhan Vong worldship in orbit above Coruscant from outside the system. If V'ger doesn't weave around in the cloud—a safe assumption—the Judicator should be able to hit it with no problems. Judicator wins.
If you are referring to the NJO incident, in Rebel Dream, that was a special starfighter, the "pipefighter".

Nope it was the Mon Cal Crusier that made the shot.

Enemy Lines II wrote: - Rebel Stand
Pg. 302 : "They 'know' that once its ready to fly, we can destroy their worldship in orbit around Coruscant; we faked up a low-power demonstration of this by positioning one of our capital ships outside the Coruscant system and firing off a laser battery attack at the worldship to coincide with the firing of our fake weapon array."

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-04-17 11:17pm

Ok noob question: what does Castrate Straha mean?

SecondStorm · Post by **SecondStorm** » 2004-04-17 11:46pm

wautd wrote:Ok noob question: what does Castrate Straha mean?

It should be pretty obvious....

Heres a hint:

Straha, testicles, dull scissor.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2004-04-17 11:46pm

Straha=lord of spam.
Made lots of spammy polls in Off Topic.
Eventually, one of the choices in those polls was "Castrate Straha."

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-04-18 12:49am

V'ger never demonstrated the sort of firepower necessary to do anything but mildly amuse an ISD, and if DaveJB's memory is correct then V'ger couldn't do jack shit to touch an ISD.

At worst, the ISD and V'ger shoot at each other until the heat death of the universe, each unable to damage the other. At best, the ISD blows away the puny superTrekship with a HTL shot or three. To my knowledge, we have no knowledge of V'ger's defensive attributes, so really we can't get more specific than that.

I voted ISD because the situation might favor it, but will never favor V'ger.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-04-18 01:06am

DaveJB wrote:"100 times more powerful"

Actually the line was "...hundreds of times more powerful". In my mind, "hundreds" could mean anything between 200 and 1000 (some people would say 2000 as the upper limit of "hundreds"). Therefore, we can only establish distant upper and lower limits of the firepower of those blasts (compared to Enterprise-nil's shields).

Going by the numbers above, those weapons V'Ger fired toward the end of the film would deliver between 160 and 800 times the energy of E-Nil's shield output (Upper limit would be 1600x if you go by 2000 as the top end of "hundreds").

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-04-18 01:23am

wautd wrote:Ok noob question: what does Castrate Straha mean?

It means I should be running really fast, while wearing a groin cup.

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2004-04-18 05:59am

Ma Deuce wrote:
DaveJB wrote:"100 times more powerful"
Actually the line was "...hundreds of times more powerful". In my mind, "hundreds" could mean anything between 200 and 1000 (some people would say 2000 as the upper limit of "hundreds"). Therefore, we can only establish distant upper and lower limits of the firepower of those blasts (compared to Enterprise-nil's shields).

Going by the numbers above, those weapons V'Ger fired toward the end of the film would deliver between 160 and 800 times the energy of E-Nil's shield output (Upper limit would be 1600x if you go by 2000 as the top end of "hundreds").

Okay, but even 1600 times more powerful than the E-Nil's shields is still several orders of magnitude too weak to do anything to an ISD's shields. Unless V'Ger has a firing rate comparable to a minigun, it's not going to scratch the ISD.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-04-18 08:05am

V'ger is toast.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-04-18 08:42am

wautd wrote:Ok noob question: what does Castrate Straha mean?

Lop off his private parts.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-04-18 08:43am

V'Ger was big for Trek...but given that the Ent-nil stood up to it without incident.

Sorry the captain of teh Judicator wonders what the hell is disturbing his tea time, and tells the gunners to open fire.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-04-18 10:27am

Also remember, that it's entirely possible Enterprise-Nil's Self Destruct would have been enough to cripple V'Ger itself (at least Kirk was hoping it would)

Sad isn't it? The end-all-be-all Trek non-Divine Super-Ship/Being can't even bother and ISD

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-04-18 11:56am

Actually, Remember when the Klingon BoP fired Photons into the cloud and they just got zapped by the "12th magnitude" power cloud? Would the cloud, I wonder, have the same dissipating effects on TL?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-18 02:30pm

Photon torpedoes are torpedoes and physical objects; a turbolaser is not. Regardless, it still couldn't get through the ISD's shields.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-18 04:32pm

V'Jur's cloud is 2 AU, not 82, according to the Director's Edition, which I think should override the older cut.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-04-18 04:35pm

Wild Karrde wrote:
YT300000 wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:A Mon Cal Cruiser was able to hit a Yuuzhan Vong worldship in orbit above Coruscant from outside the system. If V'ger doesn't weave around in the cloud—a safe assumption—the Judicator should be able to hit it with no problems. Judicator wins.
If you are referring to the NJO incident, in Rebel Dream, that was a special starfighter, the "pipefighter".
Nope it was the Mon Cal Crusier that made the shot.

Enemy Lines II wrote: - Rebel Stand
Pg. 302 : "They 'know' that once its ready to fly, we can destroy their worldship in orbit around Coruscant; we faked up a low-power demonstration of this by positioning one of our capital ships outside the Coruscant system and firing off a laser battery attack at the worldship to coincide with the firing of our fake weapon array."

Ah, that's from part 2. I only ever read part 1 (which is more impressive, I mean common, fighters shooting out of the solar system and hitting is like me throwing a rock in the sky and hitting the moon.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-04-18 04:43pm

God. I truly wish that Rodenberry's novelisation was canon (As he seems to have wanted it to be!). It destroys a planet in that. Do remember, it wasn't trying to blwo up the Earth or any such, but kill all the humans without harming the true life forms...

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-04-18 04:47pm

NecronLord wrote:God. I truly wish that Rodenberry's novelisation was canon (As he seems to have wanted it to be!). It destroys a planet in that.

If Roddenberry authorized it, why wouldn't it be canon?

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ISD Judicator (I dig the name) Vs. V Ger (W/ship)

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ISD Judicator (I dig the name) Vs. V Ger (W/ship)