World reaction to Israel's assassination

[BoredShirtless]

Egypt: "We condemn this assassination"
Italy: "We condemn this assassination"
Britain: "We condemn this assassination"
Australia: "We condemn this assassination"
Arab League: "We condemn this assassination"

United States: "We support this assassination"

Hmmmm. Anyway, let's recap:
* Israel occupies their land
* Israel bulldozes their homes
* Palestinians send suicide bombers to kill Israelis
* Israel assassinates Hamas' leadership

So tell me. Which one of the two is going to stand up and stop the vicious cycle? The Palestinians? The Israelis? Both? Israel says the PLO must stop terrorism before anymore negotiation's [which is a dream; The PLO's security forces are in a shamble thanks to Israeli incursions. They don't have the means to stop Hamas]. The Palestinians say stop occupying our land, stop destroying our homes, stop building settlements, and support for Hamas will fall while they disband as a consequence of having gotten what they want; freedom. So what's the solution? Who's going to solve this mess? Will it go on and on forever? What's the answer?

[Ace Pace]

Go on, this place is crazy, split about 50% in favour of the assasination, and 50% against.

[BoredShirtless]

Which place? Is "Hot Spot of The World" Israel? If you are, you'd have a unique take on this I think. So what do you think? Did this assassination make Israel a safer place?

[Ace Pace]

Which place? Is "Hot Spot of The World" Israel? If you are, you'd have a unique take on this I think. So what do you think? Did this assassination make Israel a safer place?

Yes, I live in this place, but the location is outdated since iraq reexploded.

Long term? it might slightly help, since that was one of their most talented leaders, but short term, all it means is more bombing, more reserves called up, more cops everywhere.

And i'm changing that location

[Ubiquitous]

Currently, the politicians and influential figures on both sides stand to gain from on-goining conflict. Until this changes, the carnage will not stop.

[Ace Pace]

Currently, the politicians and influential figures on both sides stand to gain from on-goining conflict. Until this changes, the carnage will not stop.

Too bad that means the economy contiues its shitter route to crashing.

Any economic experts, how long after peace, will this place be back to normal from that sense?

[BoredShirtless]

Currently, the politicians and influential figures on both sides stand to gain from on-goining conflict. Until this changes, the carnage will not stop.

Really? What do the Palestinians stand to gain from this on-going conflict?

[Colonel Olrik]

Currently, the politicians and influential figures on both sides stand to gain from on-goining conflict. Until this changes, the carnage will not stop.

Really? What do the Palestinians stand to gain from this on-going conflict?

Palestinian hardliners really don't want a peace plan that includes Israel has an independent state, or want to postpone talks for a decade or so, counting on demography to have a palestinian majority in Israel. So They actually have the same short term goal of the Israeli hardliners, avoid a peace treaty. It's an unholy alliance if ever I saw one.

[BoredShirtless]

Currently, the politicians and influential figures on both sides stand to gain from on-goining conflict. Until this changes, the carnage will not stop.

Really? What do the Palestinians stand to gain from this on-going conflict?

Palestinian hardliners really don't want a peace plan that includes Israel has an independent state.

That was the stand taken by Egypt too, many years ago. Look at Egypt now; one of the best friends Israel has in the Arab world. Shouldn't Israel give those Palestinian hardliners a chance too? Pull out, and see what happens?

You gotta also consider the context in which those quotes attributed to hardliners are spoken. They're usually spoken at funnerals of killed Palestinians, or after some other Israeli provokation. And just on that, there are members of the Likud party who themselves call for the destruction of Palestinians, as the West Bank is the "Promised Land" after all. Again I go back to Egypt, and the benign relationship they now have with Israel. The Palestinians should be given the same chance Egypt was given.

[Colonel Olrik]

You gotta also consider the context in which those quotes attributed to hardliners are spoken. They're usually spoken at funnerals of killed Palestinians, or after some other Israeli provokation. And just on that, there are members of the Likud party who themselves call for the destruction of Palestinians, as the West Bank is the "Promised Land" after all. Again I go back to Egypt, and the benign relationship they now have with Israel. The Palestinians should be given the same chance Egypt was given.

I now that. Homicidal nutcases exist and will always exist on both sides. Like Ace Pace said, the problem is that they're in positions of power and crisis feeds them, they now that and promote it, repeat ad nauseum. Sharon's goals don't include and never included an independent Palestine. Hamas leaders are usually no better.

[Joe]

That was the stand taken by Egypt too, many years ago. Look at Egypt now; one of the best friends Israel has in the Arab world. Shouldn't Israel give those Palestinian hardliners a chance too? Pull out, and see what happens?

Sure, because we bribe Egypt with a couple billion dollars a year to pretend not to hate Israel. Their population is just as anti-Israel as any in the Arab world.

[BoredShirtless]

That was the stand taken by Egypt too, many years ago. Look at Egypt now; one of the best friends Israel has in the Arab world. Shouldn't Israel give those Palestinian hardliners a chance too? Pull out, and see what happens?

Sure, because we bribe Egypt with a couple billion dollars a year to pretend not to hate Israel. Their population is just as anti-Israel as any in the Arab world.

That's a good point. What if Israel removed the reason for the bulk of Arabias hate by pulling out of Palestine? After that, would the Arabs still hate them? Maybe, but what can they do? Israel is stronger then ever, no Arab coalition could fairly engage it in combat. I strongly believe that the majority of Arabs have accepted Israel is here to stay. I also believe Arabs would sit still and accept Israel if it'd just stop acting like a fucking ass!

[MKSheppard]

I also believe Arabs would sit still and accept Israel if it'd just stop acting like a fucking ass!

The only way the arabs will accept Israel is when the peace of
cemeteries is brought to their countries.

[Sharp-kun]

I strongly believe that the majority of Arabs have accepted Israel is here to stay. I also believe Arabs would sit still and accept Israel if it'd just stop acting like a fucking ass!

The problem would be that you'd still get morons who would go and bomb Israel. Israel then has to decide how to respond. You will then get the morons there who will advocate reoccupation....

[Ace Pace]

I strongly believe that the majority of Arabs have accepted Israel is here to stay. I also believe Arabs would sit still and accept Israel if it'd just stop acting like a fucking ass!

The problem would be that you'd still get morons who would go and bomb Israel. Israel then has to decide how to respond. You will then get the morons there who will advocate reoccupation....

Who, because of history lessons which magnify the arab provocation in Israel's wars, will have enough of a majority, who will vote for the morons, then remember that peace is better then wasting lives.


I love politics

[Rogue 9]

That's a good point. What if Israel removed the reason for the bulk of Arabias hate by pulling out of Palestine?

That would involve all the Jews packing up and going back where they came from. The entire area that Israel now sits on was known as Palestine before 1948.

[Xenophobe3691]

That's a good point. What if Israel removed the reason for the bulk of Arabias hate by pulling out of Palestine?

That would involve all the Jews packing up and going back where they came from. The entire area that Israel now sits on was known as Palestine before 1948.

Not to mention almost totally devoid of any occupiers. Look at the accounts Mark Twain wrote when he went there, and you'll see how that place really was before 1948...

[BoredShirtless]

That's a good point. What if Israel removed the reason for the bulk of Arabias hate by pulling out of Palestine?

That would involve all the Jews packing up and going back where they came from.

You're seriously out of touch with both what the Palestinians and their elected officials are asking. Even Arafat has been on record as saying he probably should have accepted Clintons Camp David offer, which of course did not include the dissolvment of Israel.

The entire area that Israel now sits on was known as Palestine before 1948.

Yeah we all know that. We all also know Israel is here to stay. The Palestinians more then anyone especially knows that.

[Rogue 9]

And I know that. All I'm saying is that your wording was rather poor, considering the definition of Palestine.

[Knife]

Egypt: "We condemn this assassination"
Italy: "We condemn this assassination"
Britain: "We condemn this assassination"
Australia: "We condemn this assassination"
Arab League: "We condemn this assassination"

United States: "We support this assassination"

So tell me. Which one of the two is going to stand up and stop the vicious cycle? The Palestinians? The Israelis? Both?

I've been of the opinion that the world, those that back Isreal and those that back the Palestinians, are too blame. The I/P conflict is a 'slow war' in that neither side is allowed to win by other powers. No one would let Isreal go nuts on Palestine and just conquor them out right and smash any resistence. No one will force Isreal to make the concessions necessary to force a peace and pacify the Palestinians.

[Howedar]

Not trying to play mod, but lets try to abide by the moratorium as much as possible.

[The Kernel]

Not trying to play mod, but lets try to abide by the moratorium as much as possible.

I think that considering that the Israel vs. Palestine thing is back in the headlines, the moratorium becomes obsolete. There is new news here to be discussed after all.

[Knife]

Not trying to play mod, but lets try to abide by the moratorium as much as possible.

Well, IIRC, the moratorium was to stop the 'its Isreals fault, no its Palestines fault' which this is probably violating (including my post) however the assasination is new news and puts a different spin on the situation if happenings like this continue.

[Joe]

Not trying to play mod, but lets try to abide by the moratorium as much as possible.

I think that considering that the Israel vs. Palestine thing is back in the headlines, the moratorium becomes obsolete. There is new news here to be discussed after all.

No, you don't understand, you weren't here for the original IvP flamefests. Both sides agreed to the moratorium. Simply posting news is OK, but extensive debate is not.

[RedImperator]

As long as this thread stays reasonable, there shouldn't be any reason to invoke the moratorium, seeing as it was prompted by new news. I think at this point most of the people here are of the "a pox on both your houses" mindset anyway.