Kuja reviews: 'Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla'

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2004-04-17 08:53pm

Kuja wrote:
Andrew J. wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Godzilla has actually gone through several different redesigns in the Millennium series.
"Several"? There were only two movies! There couldn't have been more than one, unless different suits were used in the same movie...
How do I put this gently...WRONG!

There's G2K, Megaguiras, All Out Attack, MAMG, and several others. And the Godzilla design changes each time.

Oh, when Spanky said "Millennium" I thought he just meant the two movies with Milennium Goji. Sorry.

Crazy Goji · Post by **Crazy Goji** » 2004-04-17 10:19pm

Man, I guess I have to see it. Personally, I'm a fairly big Godzilla fan, and the Millenium series has been all right so far. 2000 was okay, Megarius wasn't my favorite (attacking Godzilla with a rocket launcher?!), and GMK kicked ass. I still prefer the Heisei series, though.

Speaking of Mechagodzilla, Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II isn't on DVD, is it? For some reason when they released the second part of the Heisei series they made a double feature out of Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah and Godzilla vs. Mothra and another with Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Destroyah, but left out Mechagodzilla.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-04-17 10:23pm

Andrew J. wrote: Oh, when Spanky said "Millennium" I thought he just meant the two movies with Milennium Goji. Sorry.

I'm with you. I tend to think of the "Millennium" as referring to the G2K Godzilla as he appeared in Godzilla 2000 and Godzilla vs. Megaguirus. That would be the snaggletoothed, green with big spikey redish fins Godzilla.

I think there is a Japanese name for the series of G films that have come after Godzilla vs. Destroyah but I can't remember it off hand.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-04-17 10:31pm

Crazy Goji wrote: Speaking of Mechagodzilla, Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II isn't on DVD, is it? For some reason when they released the second part of the Heisei series they made a double feature out of Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah and Godzilla vs. Mothra and another with Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Destroyah, but left out Mechagodzilla.

I'm not entirely sure why Tri Star skipped Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II when they released the Heisei series on DVD. I keep hoping they'll get around to putting it out, hopefully in a version that is as good as the post G2k DVD releases.

I'm also waiting for Godzilla 1985 and Godzilla vs. Biollante to be released on DVD but with those I think the American rights are tied up. G '85 was released in theaters and on video by New World Pictures and that company has since gone bankrupt. That probably means that any US DVD release is going to have to wait until either the rights revert back to Toho or someone actively goes after them.

Godzilla vs. Biollante was released by HBO video I think. I'm not sure why they've left it off of DVD. Maybe they didn't sell enough tapes for them to think it's worthwhile to put it on DVD.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-17 10:36pm

Tsyroc wrote:I think there is a Japanese name for the series of G films that have come after Godzilla vs. Destroyah but I can't remember it off hand.

Yeah, I believe there is, but I use "Millennium" because I can't remember what it is.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-04-17 10:40pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote: Yeah, I believe there is, but I use "Millennium" because I can't remember what it is.

It's probably Japanese for "Millennium".

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-04-17 11:09pm

Hey can anyone point me at a resource about G movies? All my Godzilla funk comes from the GC game and ...e rm.... Godzilla Stolen by Future Guys or whatever it was called

is there a site somewhere where I can find out more, and choose some moofies to watch?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-17 11:11pm

There used to be an excellent Godzilla site, but I don't think it's up anymore.

There are a couple that I know of, though they're pretty amaturely done (too much personal opinion in information articles, and writing quality more imature than they should know better to do).

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-04-17 11:22pm

This might be a decent place to start. http://groups.msn.com/godzillashideout

Official Site with rather lame trailer for "Final Wars"

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2004-04-17 11:42pm

Just a quick question. What's the origin of the new Godzilla?

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-04-17 11:45pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Just a quick question. What's the origin of the new Godzilla?

They don't really say. In Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla they just refer to him as another Godzilla. There are even flashbacks to the original Godzilla who looks like he always did while the new Godzilla looks more like the Millenium Godzilla except he's back to being charcoal colored.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-17 11:47pm

Tsyroc wrote:Official Site with rather lame trailer for "Final Wars"

Somewhat lame for a trailer, but quite good for a teaser, I thought.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-17 11:54pm

Tsyroc wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:Just a quick question. What's the origin of the new Godzilla?
They don't really say. In Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla they just refer to him as another Godzilla. There are even flashbacks to the original Godzilla who looks like he always did while the new Godzilla looks more like the Millenium Godzilla except he's back to being charcoal colored.

I've read that each of the films of the Millennium series are self contained and not part of an arc like the Showa and Heisei series were.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-04-18 04:07pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Tsyroc wrote:Official Site with rather lame trailer for "Final Wars"
Somewhat lame for a trailer, but quite good for a teaser, I thought.

That it is. Plus I liked that it loaded quickly even on dial-up.

Initially I was just a little disappointed because I wanted to see more.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-04-18 04:10pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote: I've read that each of the films of the Millennium series are self contained and not part of an arc like the Showa and Heisei series were.

I think it's been that way so far, although it could be argued that Godzilla in Godzilla 2000 is the revived and mutated Junior from Godzilla vs Destroyah. He was greenish and a little bit shorter than the G2k Godzilla.

All the other ones have been self contained.

G vs. Megaguirus has Godzilla appearing in 1954, sometime in the 1960s and then "present day" IIRC.

GMK: Pretty much goes from Godzilla (1954) to the present day. There is mention of a supposed Godzilla attack on the Eastern US which is definately a reference to the American Godzilla movie.

Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla: Incorporates Godzilla (1954), Mothra & War of the Gargantuas and then the present day movie.

I think the next two movies follow on the Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla timeline. At least Tokyo S.O.S. seems like it should since it has Mothra and the same Mechagodzilla from the previous movie.

G-Fan has had some nice articles that try to come up with plausible timelines in the Godzilla universe and this was before the Millenium series (now Spanky's got me doing it

).

I liked the timeline that had DAM as the last of the Showa series even though it was made before several of the movies. The reason it's last is that King Ghidorah dies in DAM which means he couldn't be in Godzilla vs. Gigan which takes place during the 70s.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-04-18 04:19pm

I used to go to this site quite a bit when it was associated with the original Cinescape boards and even later when it was incorporated into Fandom.com.

It's still a good place to go for G News.

http://www.clubtokyo.org/monsterzero/ aka MonsterZero.com

Here's another couple sites.

http://www.godzillaplanet.cjb.net/

http://www.godzillatemple.com/

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-04-19 12:08am

Tsyroc wrote:I think there is a Japanese name for the series of G films that have come after Godzilla vs. Destroyah but I can't remember it off hand.

Shinsei.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-04-19 06:32am

Kuja wrote:
Tsyroc wrote:I think there is a Japanese name for the series of G films that have come after Godzilla vs. Destroyah but I can't remember it off hand.
Shinsei.

Thanks.

I knew it started with "Sh" but couldn't get beyond that.

By the way, when you watched the G x MechaG did you watch all the way through the credits? There's a little coda scene near the end of the credits. I just found out about it yesterday.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-04-19 12:48pm

Tsyroc wrote:By the way, when you watched the G x MechaG did you watch all the way through the credits? There's a little coda scene near the end of the credits. I just found out about it yesterday.

Yeah, I found it. There's one in G v Megaguiras as well.

I think it's been that way so far, although it could be argued that Godzilla in Godzilla 2000 is the revived and mutated Junior from Godzilla vs Destroyah. He was greenish and a little bit shorter than the G2k Godzilla.

There's also a comment made by the reporter girl to the tune of "why does Godzilla keep helping us?" which would make no sense if it were a self-contained film, but fits better if it is indeed Godzilla Junior stomping around. It might alos help to better explain the power plant attacks: not just stealing energy, but maybe getting in a little payback for the nuclear blast that set Heisei Godzilla's death in motion. That's what I like thinking anyway.

Or hell, maybe it's good old Showa back from his long swim and a big workout routine and ready to kick more ass.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-19 12:50pm

I know it's a joke, but it would be impossible for Millenium Era Godzilla to be Showa Godzilla, since he was killed by the Oxygen Destroyer.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-04-19 01:04pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I know it's a joke, but it would be impossible for Millenium Era Godzilla to be Showa Godzilla, since he was killed by the Oxygen Destroyer.

WTF? Oh, no no no, my dear Spanky. That was the TRUE Godzilla, the very first. The Godzilla I'm referring to showed up in 'Godzilla Raids Again' and stuck around until 'Terror of Mechagodzila' where he simply swam off and was never seen again.

Hence my joke about the long swim.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-19 01:06pm

....

Oh, duh!!

Man, that's right. I totally forgot there were two Showa Godzillas...

*myan*

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-04-20 12:09am

Kuja wrote: WTF? Oh, no no no, my dear Spanky. That was the TRUE Godzilla, the very first. The Godzilla I'm referring to showed up in 'Godzilla Raids Again' and stuck around until 'Terror of Mechagodzila' where he simply swam off and was never seen again.

Hence my joke about the long swim.

In the Heisei series they seem to go with the idea that there's only ever been one Godzilla and that some how he recovered from the Oxygen Destroyer, at least that was the impression I got between G '85 and Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.

By the way, shouldn't the last time we see the Showa Godzilla actually be DAM since that film takes place in 1999?

Not to mention King Ghidorah was finally killed in that movie so that should also place it before Godzilla vs Gigan

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-04-20 12:38am

Tsyroc wrote:In the Heisei series they seem to go with the idea that there's only ever been one Godzilla and that some how he recovered from the Oxygen Destroyer, at least that was the impression I got between G '85 and Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.

Your impression is correct.

By the way, shouldn't the last time we see the Showa Godzilla actually be DAM since that film takes place in 1999? Not to mention King Ghidorah was finally killed in that movie so that should also place it before Godzilla vs Gigan

Eh. There are times when I block DAM from memory. And I refuse to accept Ghidorh being dead. He was unconsious, that's all.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-20 01:42am

Well, there better be a lot of deaths in Final Wars, particularly with Godzilla's at the very end, in my opinion.

Though it would be very difficult to top his death in Godzilla vs Destoroyah...