World reaction to Israel's assassination

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-18 08:02pm

The Kernel wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: Addendum: This is no excuse for how Israel treats the Palestinians, but its not like they set out on wars of conquest into Syria and Jordan for the purpose of gaining land.
Don't be naiive Rogue, that is PRECICELY what they did. Israel's justification for the war made about as much sense as Bush telling us that Saddam was a threat.

Oh, bullshit. Who did the attacking on Yom Kippur, hmmm?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-04-18 08:02pm

AdmiralTDM wrote:
And palestinian bystander scum too?
casualties of wa... isreals not so nice ways of getting things done?

How exactly can you go to war against your own citizens? Or didn't you realize that the Palestinians are in fact Israelis?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-04-18 08:02pm

kojikun wrote:Keevan, whoa there. Don't associate this idiot with us misanthropes. We dislike humanity, doesn't mean we're warmongering fools.

That's why he's got the other two aswell.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-04-18 08:04pm

Still bullshit Rogue 9. One does not acquire territory in defensive wars. What, will the couple more tens of miles of shitty sand make an enormous national security difference?

AdmiralTDM · Post by **AdmiralTDM** » 2004-04-18 08:06pm

It isnt a fucking war though, they control that land, they have a duty as the government to protect the citizens. Would you support the use of artillery in downtown USA to stop convenience store robbers or mafia leader?

Fuck up you insipid little shit.

Of course not, I would go fight whom ever starting shelling my fellow citizens...
the Palestinians aka unwanted Isreali citizens are fighting back and i respect them for that, but I dont support them.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-04-18 08:06pm

Meest wrote:The thing I don't understand about Israel is that they were given a country which used to not be their land, then try and take more land? It's like me saying since I'm of Italian decent to ask for what Rome had conquered and say this is my land. Israel got what they wanted then had to turn into what they hated the most. This shit always happens, people don't want equality when they are repressed they want superiority and say its our turn now. Sad really.

Let's get one thing straight; it's not like a group of Jews suddenly got together and demanded land in the Middle East, they started moving there during the second half of the 19th century and established a presence there without disrupting the natives. In fact, Arab Palestinians and Jews got along fairly well during the early years, and IIRC Arab immigration to Palestine actually increased considerably with the arrival of the settlers (I'd have to do some research to get those figures, though).

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-04-18 08:07pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
The Kernel wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: Addendum: This is no excuse for how Israel treats the Palestinians, but its not like they set out on wars of conquest into Syria and Jordan for the purpose of gaining land.
Don't be naiive Rogue, that is PRECICELY what they did. Israel's justification for the war made about as much sense as Bush telling us that Saddam was a threat.
Oh, bullshit. Who did the attacking on Yom Kippur, hmmm?

Gee, Egypt and Syria try to take back land that Israel took from them in 1967 as part of a "defensive Israeli operation". Yeah, Israel had a real legitamate claim to that land.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-04-18 08:08pm

AdmiralTDM wrote: Of course not, I would go fight whom ever starting shelling my fellow citizens...
the Palestinians aka unwanted Isreali citizens are fighting back and i respect them for that, but I dont support them.

If they were unwanted then Israel shouldn't have annexed the land they live on. Israel can't simply annex new territory, then claim they have no responsibility for the people living there. Ever hear of a little thing called international law?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-04-18 08:10pm

Joe wrote: Let's get one thing straight; it's not like a group of Jews suddenly got together and demanded land in the Middle East, they started moving there during the second half of the 19th century and established a presence there without disrupting the natives. In fact, Arab Palestinians and Jews got along fairly well during the early years, and IIRC Arab immigration to Palestine actually increased considerably with the arrival of the settlers (I'd have to do some research to get those figures, though).

It probably WOULDN'T have been a problem had Israel not settled on forming an ethnic state with the Arabs as second-class citizens.

AdmiralTDM · Post by **AdmiralTDM** » 2004-04-18 08:10pm

If they were unwanted then Israel shouldn't have annexed the land they live on. Israel can't simply annex new territory, then claim they have no responsibility for the people living there. Ever hear of a little thing called international law?

sure, but does isreal ever listen? no! does anyone besides isreal ever listen when they dont really want to... no! they all try to see if anyone will notice and if no one doesent they continue.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-04-18 08:15pm

AdmiralTDM wrote: sure, but does isreal ever listen? no! does anyone besides isreal ever listen when they dont really want to... no! they all try to see if anyone will notice and if no one doesent they continue.

Excuse me, but people DO notice. The UN is keenly aware of what has been going on in Israel since the 70's, but they can't take any action as long as the US opposes sanction against Israel. Or were you unaware that the US delegation gets up an walks out whenever sanctions against Israel are discussed?

All of this is irrelevent though to the real question here. Do you think that Israel has a right to oppress their own citizens? Forget your "no one cares" bullshit (since obviously people DO care), answer the question of whether you think Israel's actions are justified.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-18 08:25pm

AdmiralTDM wrote:ok ok ok I get it, im wrong. I'm politically incorrect and I realize most of everyone who posted agianst my post is correct because isreals actions are wrong... but like i said I'm politically incorrect and on top of that Ignorant... So... Ya I dont care for the most part if no one besides myself is for isreals actions and the escalation of their movement to kill the palestinian terrorist scum.

Poltical correctness has nothing to do with it you fucking twat. When you use MISSILES to assassinate a terrorist leader you also kill innocent men women and children.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-04-18 08:30pm

The Kernel wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: Oh, bullshit. Who did the attacking on Yom Kippur, hmmm?
Gee, Egypt and Syria try to take back land that Israel took from them in 1967 as part of a "defensive Israeli operation". Yeah, Israel had a real legitamate claim to that land.

The Six Day War was a legitimate defensive operation. Egyptian and Syran armies were massing on the borders, and Egyptian and Syran politicans were inflaming their populaces. Israel simply attacked first.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-18 08:33pm

AdmiralTDM wrote:
And palestinian bystander scum too?
casualties of wa... isreals not so nice ways of getting things done?

A government exists to protect the Life Liberty and Property of its citizens. Not to Buldoze said property to make way for Jewish settlements(like it or not, the Palistinians are citizens) and to TAKE the life and liberty of countless Palistinians by waling themm in ghettos or killing innocents in missile strikes.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-18 08:36pm

AdmiralTDM wrote:
It isnt a fucking war though, they control that land, they have a duty as the government to protect the citizens. Would you support the use of artillery in downtown USA to stop convenience store robbers or mafia leader?

Fuck up you insipid little shit.

Of course not, I would go fight whom ever starting shelling my fellow citizens...
the Palestinians aka unwanted Isreali citizens are fighting back and i respect them for that, but I dont support them.

Keyword CITIZEN

They pay their fucking taxes and get NOTHING for them but death. They are oppressed and locked in ghettos(or will be once the wall is finished)

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-04-18 08:39pm

Howedar wrote:The Six Day War was a legitimate defensive operation. Egyptian and Syran armies were massing on the borders, and Egyptian and Syran politicans were inflaming their populaces. Israel simply attacked first.

We can argue the merits of the Six Day War and the provocations if you want, but it really comes down to whether or not you can annex territory during a defensive war. In my book, you don't strike first and annex foreign territory and claim it was a "defensive opperation".

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-18 08:40pm

Also, if you use Locke based ethics like I do... They[the palistinians] have a right and obligation to rise up and fight legitimate war agaisnt Israel

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-04-18 08:55pm

The Six Day War was a legitimate defensive operation. Egyptian and Syran armies were massing on the borders, and Egyptian and Syran politicans were inflaming their populaces. Israel simply attacked first.

This "massing on the borders" stuff is a crap excuse. Their army obviously didn't pose any real threat to Israel (as evidenced by the fact that Israel curbstomped THREE NATIONS). By the end of the war Israel had destroyed or driven back all the Egyptian divisions in the Sinai, taken the West Bank and pushed the Syrians clear across the Golan Heights. The Arabs were utterly beaten; there was no reason to annex all that conquered territory; except, of course, to fulfill Israel's expansionist foreign policy.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-04-18 10:00pm

If Israel was expansionist, why did they give the Sinai back? They took the land as buffers and as a carrot to get legitimized. Recognize Israel's sovereignty, get your land back.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-04-18 10:08pm

They gave the Sinai back...and then invaded Lebanon. Besides, is there actually anything in the Sinai worth having? They kept the West Bank an the Golan Heights, didn't they?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-04-18 10:09pm

Yes they did.

The Golan Heights is still occupied by Israel.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-04-18 10:10pm

HemlockGrey wrote:They gave the Sinai back...and then invaded Lebanon. Besides, is there actually anything in the Sinai worth having? They kept the West Bank an the Golan Heights, didn't they?

They're keeping them because Syria and Jordan don't recognize Israel. They seem to be big on the Carrot and Stick over there.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-04-18 10:13pm

This is utterly moronic.

Everything outside the 1947 demarcation line occupied by Israel is an example of expansionism.

Jerusalem, and a good third of the current recognized state of Israel is an example of territory outright conquered.

And I definitely believe Jordan recognizes Israel. Syria might not.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-04-18 10:19pm

It probably WOULDN'T have been a problem had Israel not settled on forming an ethnic state with the Arabs as second-class citizens.

That was not what Israel "settled for." At the time of partition, Arabs made up over 40 percent of the population in the territory that constituted Israel's original borders, and those that stayed (around 30,000-40,000, mostly wealthier Palestinians, left before and during the war) did not have their rights revoked.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-04-18 10:22pm

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