World reaction to Israel's assassination

[CaptainChewbacca]

Interestingly, Israel is the only country in the middle east where ethnic Palestinians can vote. If they're second-class citizens in Israel, what do you call it when Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, Iraq, Iran, and every other nation has ethnically cleansed them. They are only supported as a people group when it hurts Israel, not out of any sort of Arab brotherhood or social altruism.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Tu quoque is not a valid argument, dumbass.

The fact that the various Arab republics are shitty doesn't exonerate Israel of her racist and religiously bigotted apartheid.

In fact, it emphasizes the fact that the Palestinians should have a state where they can live in peace and equality, since everyone else freely takes a piss on them.

[Joe]

Interestingly, Israel is the only country in the middle east where ethnic Palestinians can vote. If they're second-class citizens in Israel, what do you call it when Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, Iraq, Iran, and every other nation has ethnically cleansed them. They are only supported as a people group when it hurts Israel, not out of any sort of Arab brotherhood or social altruism.

After the 1948 war, the Arab countries surrounding Israel refused to accept Palestinian refugees. They didn't give a flip about the Palestinians then and they don't know.

[TheDarkling]

Interestingly, Israel is the only country in the middle east where ethnic Palestinians can vote. If they're second-class citizens in Israel, what do you call it when Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, Iraq, Iran, and every other nation has ethnically cleansed them. They are only supported as a people group when it hurts Israel, not out of any sort of Arab brotherhood or social altruism.

Those nations don't claim to be and are not mistaken for Western Democracies. Do you think Pol Pot was a nice guy because Stalin was worse?

[Joe]

Those nations don't claim to be and are not mistaken for Western Democracies. Do you think Pol Pot was a nice guy because Stalin was worse?

They do, however, claim to have great sympathy for their oppressed Palestinian brethren. So it seems that they should actually put this alleged sympathy into practice rather than using it as a propaganda tool to incite hatred against the West.

[CaptainChewbacca]

No.

I'm just saying that it isn't solely israel's fault for how bad Palestinians have it. I used to think I had a solution for the middle east, but I should really stay out of these threads.

[jegs2]

No.

I'm just saying that it isn't solely israel's fault for how bad Palestinians have it. I used to think I had a solution for the middle east, but I should really stay out of these threads.

If you are pro-Israel in any way, shape or form, expect to get ganged up on and mutilated quick, fast and in a hurry around here. For that very reason, I stay out of them.

[Joe]

No.

I'm just saying that it isn't solely israel's fault for how bad Palestinians have it. I used to think I had a solution for the middle east, but I should really stay out of these threads.

I got a solution; Saudi Arabia gives every Palestinian refugee citizenship, no questions asked.

[CaptainChewbacca]

No.

I'm just saying that it isn't solely israel's fault for how bad Palestinians have it. I used to think I had a solution for the middle east, but I should really stay out of these threads.

I got a solution; Saudi Arabia gives every Palestinian refugee citizenship, no questions asked.

I say give them western Montanna. It's not like we're using it.

[Illuminatus Primus]

No.

I'm just saying that it isn't solely israel's fault for how bad Palestinians have it. I used to think I had a solution for the middle east, but I should really stay out of these threads.

That's why you should make your position or recommendations clear, rather than commentary of the "well, interestingly...." brand.

It helps the progress of debate.

[CaptainChewbacca]

No.

I'm just saying that it isn't solely israel's fault for how bad Palestinians have it. I used to think I had a solution for the middle east, but I should really stay out of these threads.

That's why you should make your position or recommendations clear, rather than commentary of the "well, interestingly...." brand.

It helps the progress of debate.

Sorry.

[Illuminatus Primus]

No problem.

[CaptainChewbacca]

No problem.

What's your opinion on the situation?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Israel should never have existed. The Jews at best could have helped form a secular westernized state, that maybe with European immigration following World War II and democracy, as well as Jewish money, could have helped make Palestine more like Turkey than its ass backward brethren.

By now? Well ideally, Israel would drop its racist/religious bigoted shit and allow for full Palestinian rights and economic aide, and seek a one-state solution.

Won't happen because the Jews cannot handle too many brown people in their beloved promised land.

After that, a Palestinian state including everything outside the 1949 armistice line would be preferable.

Not going to happen because Sharon's cocksuckers won't give up their beloved far-right-wing settlers' shitholes in the West Bank, and won't take the initial steps. And they cannot part with East Jerusalem because they are religious bigots.

[Darth Wong]

I got a solution; Saudi Arabia gives every Palestinian refugee citizenship, no questions asked.

And why are the Palestinians automatically considered to be Saudi Arabia's responsibility, or that of any nation other than Israel, where they have been living for generations? The whole "all Arabs are the same" shtick?

[CaptainChewbacca]

Israel should never have existed. The Jews at best could have helped form a secular westernized state, that maybe with European immigration following World War II and democracy, as well as Jewish money, could have helped make Palestine more like Turkey than its ass backward brethren.

By now? Well ideally, Israel would drop its racist/religious bigoted shit and allow for full Palestinian rights and economic aide, and seek a one-state solution.

Won't happen because the Jews cannot handle too many brown people in their beloved promised land.

After that, a Palestinian state including everything outside the 1949 armistice line would be preferable.

Not going to happen because Sharon's cocksuckers won't give up their beloved far-right-wing settlers' shitholes in the West Bank, and won't take the initial steps. And they cannot part with East Jerusalem because they are religious bigots.

I agree with you on some parts. I think Israel should have existed, but I think the key to a successful resolution is to give the Palestinians the 1949 borders contingent upon the Palestinians giving up their right of return to Israel.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Praytell, tell me under what justification that is not racism or religious bigotry do you justify the original existance of Israel?

(Good luck.)

[Darth Wong]

I don't think Israel's supporters are capable of wrapping their heads around the notion that a "racial homeland" is an idea that has been proposed by several other well-known misanthropes in the 20th century, and vilified for good reason.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Praytell, tell me under what justification that is not racism or religious bigotry do you justify the original existance of Israel?

(Good luck.)

Ancestral home, being unwelcome elsewhere. It's not a great reason, but it's a reason. I also think Native American nations who wanted to be admitted as states to the US should have been allowed to do so. I just like it when things are fair. Naive? Yes. But life should be fair, and there should be an Israel and a Palestine.

[Joe]

I got a solution; Saudi Arabia gives every Palestinian refugee citizenship, no questions asked.

And why are the Palestinians automatically considered to be Saudi Arabia's responsibility, or that of any nation other than Israel, where they have been living for generations? The whole "all Arabs are the same" shtick?

First of all, most of them haven't been there for generations; standards of living in Palestinian cities increased enormously as Jewish settlers began arriving during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, attracting thousands of Arab immigrants thanks largely to the British policy of virtually unlimited Arab immigration to Palestine.

Secondly, no, I suppose SA wouldn't have any responsibility for the Palestinians if they hadn't made sympathy for the Palestinians state policy. Maybe they could actually put their money where their mouth is and give the Palestinians they claim to care so much about a hand and make things better for all parties involved.

[Falcon]

I don't think Israel's supporters are capable of wrapping their heads around the notion that a "racial homeland" is an idea that has been proposed by several other well-known misanthropes in the 20th century, and vilified for good reason.

What about the other nations in the region wanting 'religous homelands' We seem to be ranting about supposed Israeli injustices when the alternative is an even more threating alternative: Islamic radical states

[Darth Wong]

Praytell, tell me under what justification that is not racism or religious bigotry do you justify the original existance of Israel?

(Good luck.)

Ancestral home, being unwelcome elsewhere. It's not a great reason, but it's a reason. I also think Native American nations who wanted to be admitted as states to the US should have been allowed to do so. I just like it when things are fair. Naive? Yes. But life should be fair, and there should be an Israel and a Palestine.

So I take it you would support a Native American separatist movement to take half of the American states and secede under Native control?

[Darth Wong]

I don't think Israel's supporters are capable of wrapping their heads around the notion that a "racial homeland" is an idea that has been proposed by several other well-known misanthropes in the 20th century, and vilified for good reason.

What about the other nations in the region wanting 'religous homelands'

I see no evidence of anyone forcibly sticking a "religious homeland" for Muslims onto a nation which already exists. Thanks for showing once again how you earned your title.

[Joe]

Praytell, tell me under what justification that is not racism or religious bigotry do you justify the original existance of Israel?

(Good luck.)

The same reason the original advocates (not only Israeli advocates, mind you) put forth; the fact that at that point of history, no Western European government had been able to provide a safe haven in which the basic human rights of the Jews could be protected.

[Darth Wong]

And why are the Palestinians automatically considered to be Saudi Arabia's responsibility, or that of any nation other than Israel, where they have been living for generations? The whole "all Arabs are the same" shtick?

First of all, most of them haven't been there for generations; standards of living in Palestinian cities increased enormously as Jewish settlers began arriving during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, attracting thousands of Arab immigrants thanks largely to the British policy of virtually unlimited Arab immigration to Palestine.

Wow, thousands of Arab immigrants arrived in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, so the region was not predominantly Arab before the creation of Israel? I suggest you double-check your math.

Secondly, no, I suppose SA wouldn't have any responsibility for the Palestinians if they hadn't made sympathy for the Palestinians state policy. Maybe they could actually put their money where their mouth is and give the Palestinians they claim to care so much about a hand and make things better for all parties involved.

Sympathy for another group in another nation automatically makes them your responsibility?!? What a stunning and absolutely idiotic leap in logic.