World reaction to Israel's assassination

[CaptainChewbacca]

So I take it you would support a Native American separatist movement to take half of the American states and secede under Native control?

I support creating self-governing Native American states within the US under the federal government. It should have happened long ago, but I think it is feasible now. Kinda like how you guys made Nunavut for your natives.

[Falcon]

I don't think Israel's supporters are capable of wrapping their heads around the notion that a "racial homeland" is an idea that has been proposed by several other well-known misanthropes in the 20th century, and vilified for good reason.

What about the other nations in the region wanting 'religous homelands'

I see no evidence of anyone forcibly sticking a "religious homeland" for Muslims onto a nation which already exists. Thanks for showing once again how you earned your title.

So its ok for the muslims to have religious homelands but its bad for Israel to have a racial homeland? Of course this isn't even considering that Israel as a race is also a religion, so technically they are not even much different from the other religious homelands in the middle east.

(I earned my title by being a Christian and I wear it proudly. This is your forum and you obviously have the right to tag people however you choose, but I won't feel belittled for standing up for my beliefs)

[Darth Wong]

So I take it you would support a Native American separatist movement to take half of the American states and secede under Native control?

I support creating self-governing Native American states within the US under the federal government. It should have happened long ago, but I think it is feasible now. Kinda like how you guys made Nunavut for your natives.

So what would you say to the million of Americans that you would evict from their homes without compensation to make way for this state? Nunavut is, after all, a very sparsely populated territory.

[Illuminatus Primus]

The same reason the original advocates (not only Israeli advocates, mind you) put forth; the fact that at that point of history, no Western European government had been able to provide a safe haven in which the basic human rights of the Jews could be protected.

They cannot create Israel in a shitty part of Africa, or somewhere else?

They cannot emigrate to America?

Why the fuck not?

[CaptainChewbacca]

So its ok for the muslims to have religious homelands but its bad for Israel to have a racial homeland? Of course this isn't even considering that Israel as a race is also a religion, so technically they are not even much different from the other religious homelands in the middle east.

(I earned my title by being a Christian and I wear it proudly. This is your forum and you obviously have the right to tag people however you choose, but I won't feel belittled for standing up for my beliefs)

I think the difference is that the Muslims have always lived there, while Israel is relatively new.

[Darth Wong]

I see no evidence of anyone forcibly sticking a "religious homeland" for Muslims onto a nation which already exists. Thanks for showing once again how you earned your title.

So its ok for the muslims to have religious homelands but its bad for Israel to have a racial homeland?

Hey moron, those "religious homelands" are ad hoc situations, not forcibly created against the will of their existing occupants. What part of that are you too goddamned stupid to understand?

Of course this isn't even considering that Israel as a race is also a religion, so technically they are not even much different from the other religious homelands in the middle east.

Yes they are, since they were forcibly created against the will of the prior occupants of the land.

(I earned my title by being a Christian and I wear it proudly. This is your forum and you obviously have the right to tag people however you choose, but I won't feel belittled for standing up for my beliefs)

No, you earned your title by being a moron. There are lots of Christians here who do not wear that title; you are obviously too much of a shitlicker to understand why.

[CaptainChewbacca]

So I take it you would support a Native American separatist movement to take half of the American states and secede under Native control?

I support creating self-governing Native American states within the US under the federal government. It should have happened long ago, but I think it is feasible now. Kinda like how you guys made Nunavut for your natives.

So what would you say to the million of Americans that you would evict from their homes without compensation to make way for this state? Nunavut is, after all, a very sparsely populated territory.

Now we're back to Montanna and Nebraska . Currently in the US some very interesting demographics are shaping up. Native Americans are moving back to the midwestern states they were removed from, while whites are moving to the coasts. In a few decades, we may have Native States after all.

[Illuminatus Primus]

The same reason the original advocates (not only Israeli advocates, mind you) put forth; the fact that at that point of history, no Western European government had been able to provide a safe haven in which the basic human rights of the Jews could be protected.

They cannot create Israel in a shitty part of Africa, or somewhere else?

They cannot emigrate to America?

Why the fuck not?

So its ok for the muslims to have religious homelands but its bad for Israel to have a racial homeland? Of course this isn't even considering that Israel as a race is also a religion, so technically they are not even much different from the other religious homelands in the middle east.

Saudi Arabia doesn't declare itself an Arab or Muslim homeland (though it is an 'Islamic' state).

Anyway, this is a tu quoque fallacy and you are, as always, irrelevent.

German-speaking peoples need a homeland, right? Let's eliminate the populations of Germany's neighbors so they can all be assimilated together and sing kumbyah.

(I earned my title by being a Christian and I wear it proudly. This is your forum and you obviously have the right to tag people however you choose, but I won't feel belittled for standing up for my beliefs)

You earned your title by being a dumb piece of shit and an example that some human beings are more evolved than others.

[Darth Wong]

If the UN wanted to punish somebody by taking part of their land away and giving it to Israel, it should have been Germany. But noooooo, the Bible says otherwise, doesn't it? People can bullshit till the cows come home, but ultimately, it's religious stupidity that created this quagmire, it is religious stupidity that sustains it, and it is religious stupidity that doggedly attempts to justify it.

[Darth Wong]

Now we're back to Montanna and Nebraska . Currently in the US some very interesting demographics are shaping up. Native Americans are moving back to the midwestern states they were removed from, while whites are moving to the coasts. In a few decades, we may have Native States after all.

So at that point, would you support forcibly ejecting all the whites from their homes in those states without compensation, as happened to the Palestinians?

[CaptainChewbacca]

If the UN wanted to punish somebody by taking part of their land away and giving it to Israel, it should have been Germany. But noooooo, the Bible says otherwise, doesn't it? People can bullshit till the cows come home, but ultimately, it's religious stupidity that created this quagmire, it is religious stupidity that sustains it, and it is religious stupidity that doggedly attempts to justify it.

Do you have a solution that is workable (doesn't involve destroying Israel)?

[Darth Wong]

If the UN wanted to punish somebody by taking part of their land away and giving it to Israel, it should have been Germany. But noooooo, the Bible says otherwise, doesn't it? People can bullshit till the cows come home, but ultimately, it's religious stupidity that created this quagmire, it is religious stupidity that sustains it, and it is religious stupidity that doggedly attempts to justify it.

Do you have a solution that is workable (doesn't involve destroying Israel)?

One man, one vote throughout all of Israel, including the so-called "Occupied Territories". Americans like to say that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East; that fact has historically been a complete lie. Throughout the entire occupied territories, a state of apartheid currently reigns; you can vote if you are a Jew but not if you are an Arab. This is unacceptable and should be abolished.

[Joe]

They cannot create Israel in a shitty part of Africa, or somewhere else?

There were not hundreds of thousands of Jews who had lived in said shitty part of Africa at the time the state was created.

They cannot emigrate to America?

America does not allow for unlimited immigration for any ethnic group.

[Darth Wong]

They cannot create Israel in a shitty part of Africa, or somewhere else?

There were not hundreds of thousands of Jews who had lived in said shitty part of Africa at the time the state was created.

There were millions of Jews who had lived in Germany and surrounding states for a very long time. But nooooo, we have to take the land from the Palestinians, don't we?

They cannot emigrate to America?

America does not allow for unlimited immigration for any ethnic group.

Of course, that solution only works for Saudi Arabia

[Illuminatus Primus]

The current position, however shitty, is the equilibria of powers in the region and history, and is the most stable configuration. Push against the Jews--Sharon gives you the finger. Push the Palestinians more, and more shit gets blown up.

I cannot think of any real solution that isn't wishful thinking.

[CaptainChewbacca]

If the UN wanted to punish somebody by taking part of their land away and giving it to Israel, it should have been Germany. But noooooo, the Bible says otherwise, doesn't it? People can bullshit till the cows come home, but ultimately, it's religious stupidity that created this quagmire, it is religious stupidity that sustains it, and it is religious stupidity that doggedly attempts to justify it.

Do you have a solution that is workable (doesn't involve destroying Israel)?

One man, one vote throughout all of Israel, including the so-called "Occupied Territories". Americans like to say that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East; that fact has historically been a complete lie. Throughout the entire occupied territories, a state of apartheid currently reigns; you can vote if you are a Jew but not if you are an Arab. This is unacceptable and should be abolished.

What if they cut loose the West Bank/Gaza as a Palestinian state, first? Seems to me that it would be in their interests to make sure those guys were in a "different country" first.

[Falcon]

I see no evidence of anyone forcibly sticking a "religious homeland" for Muslims onto a nation which already exists. Thanks for showing once again how you earned your title.

So its ok for the muslims to have religious homelands but its bad for Israel to have a racial homeland?

Hey moron, those "religious homelands" are ad hoc situations, not forcibly created against the will of their existing occupants. What part of that are you too goddamned stupid to understand?

The British had been imposing a situation on the land before, they owned it regardless of who lived there, they gave it to Israel. History is full of people who got forcibly created, including these religious homelands. Iran wasn't always a muslim state, it was imposed on them.

Of course this isn't even considering that Israel as a race is also a religion, so technically they are not even much different from the other religious homelands in the middle east.

Yes they are, since they were forcibly created against the will of the prior occupants of the land.
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Like Iran was forcibly made a muslim state and is kept a muslim state against the will of many of its people? The whole middle east is full of this kind of thing and most of those religous states are far more dangerous to the world in general than Israel.

(I earned my title by being a Christian and I wear it proudly. This is your forum and you obviously have the right to tag people however you choose, but I won't feel belittled for standing up for my beliefs)

No, you earned your title by being a moron. There are lots of Christians here who do not wear that title; you are obviously too much of a shitlicker to understand why.[/quote]

Like I said, you can believe whatever you want. Making a claim doesn't make it true.

[Darth Wong]

One man, one vote throughout all of Israel, including the so-called "Occupied Territories". Americans like to say that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East; that fact has historically been a complete lie. Throughout the entire occupied territories, a state of apartheid currently reigns; you can vote if you are a Jew but not if you are an Arab. This is unacceptable and should be abolished.

What if they cut loose the West Bank/Gaza as a Palestinian state, first? Seems to me that it would be in their interests to make sure those guys were in a "different country" first.

Israel will never allow it. Every Israeli proposition for Palestinian statehood has been a vassal state, where the so-called Palestinian state was basically under the strict military oversight and border control of Israel. That is not sovereignty by any stretch of the imagination (and let's not even get into the ridiculous border proposals where a Palestinian homeland would be chopped up into little pieces so that travel from one piece to another goes through Israeli military checkpoints).

[Illuminatus Primus]

There were not hundreds of thousands of Jews who had lived in said shitty part of Africa at the time the state was created.

This is simply a way of restating the religious bigotry appeal. Concession Accepted.

America does not allow for unlimited immigration for any ethnic group.

I agree with Wong. You say this shit, but you said that moronic crap about Saudi Arabia?

[CaptainChewbacca]

What if they cut loose the West Bank/Gaza as a Palestinian state, first? Seems to me that it would be in their interests to make sure those guys were in a "different country" first.

Israel will never allow it. Every Israeli proposition for Palestinian statehood has been a vassal state, where the so-called Palestinian state was basically under the strict military oversight and border control of Israel. That is not sovereignty by any stretch of the imagination (and let's not even get into the ridiculous border proposals where a Palestinian homeland would be chopped up into little pieces so that travel from one piece to another goes through Israeli military checkpoints).

I agree. Any Palestinian state should be nominally contiguous (the Gaza tends to cock things up, though). They need to pull back the new settlements and honor their commitments to not build new one. I find it hard to believe that these 'illegal settlements' somehow get water and utilities on their own.

Do you agree that the nation of Israel should continue to exist, though?

[Darth Wong]

The British had been imposing a situation on the land before, they owned it regardless of who lived there, they gave it to Israel.

First rule of Falcon's moron debating technique: when confronted with someone who criticizes the ethical justification for an action, simply state that the action occurred

The point is that the Israelis were not already living there; the vast majority of Jews throughout the world did not live in Israel at the time that it was "created" for them, so it had to be created by force. Try as you might, you cannot equate this to the situation with any other theocracy in the world.

Like Iran was forcibly made a muslim state and is kept a muslim state against the will of many of its people?

This did not take place at the behest of outside forces. Your false analogies are piling up.

The whole middle east is full of this kind of thing and most of those religous states are far more dangerous to the world in general than Israel.

Bullshit. No nation in that part of the world has been a greater destabilizing influence than Israel.

Like I said, you can believe whatever you want. Making a claim doesn't make it true.

Actually, it is verifiable fact that the vast majority of Christians on this board do not wear your derogatory title. Your failure to recognize that fact and your insistence on pretending that it's only a "claim" merely proves once more that you are an imbecile.

[Joe]

There were millions of Jews who had lived in Germany and surrounding states for a very long time. But nooooo, we have to take the land from the Palestinians, don't we?

Most of the land that was given to Israel belonged to the mandatory government; around a sixth of it belonged to Palestinians, but hey, they made war on Israel and they lost.

Of course, that solution only works for Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia doesn't have to be the only one in on it, there are other Arab countries. I wouldn't have a problem with the U.S. helping foot the bill for such a relocation, either.

[Darth Wong]

Do you agree that the nation of Israel should continue to exist, though?

As a nation, yes. As a "racial homeland", no. Israel should equally respect people of all races and religions, otherwise we should be questioning the fact that we give them so much fucking money and uphold them as some kind of shining beacon of western civilization in the Middle East.

[Joe]

This is simply a way of restating the religious bigotry appeal. Concession Accepted.

Eat me.

I agree with Wong. You say this shit, but you said that moronic crap about Saudi Arabia?

That was the situation in 1948, moron; if I had been in charge of the U.S. government in 1948 I would have been glad to accept such an alternative. But at that time, America would not have accepted such a proposal.

[Falcon]

The British had been imposing a situation on the land before, they owned it regardless of who lived there, they gave it to Israel.

First rule of Falcon's moron debating technique: when confronted with someone who criticizes the ethical justification for an action, simply state that the action occurred

The point is that the Israelis were not already living there; the vast majority of Jews throughout the world did not live in Israel at the time that it was "created" for them, so it had to be created by force. Try as you might, you cannot equate this to the situation with any other theocracy in the world

No, Israel's creation was unique, I'll grant you that. What I disagree with you on is that there is a problem with the way Israel exists, that Palestine should be a state, or that we should do anything less than support Israel.

Like Iran was forcibly made a muslim state and is kept a muslim
state against the will of many of its people?

This did not take place at the behest of outside forces. Your false analogies are piling up.

I'm talking about when Iran was called Persia and it was invaded by muslims who then forced their religion on it.

The whole middle east is full of this kind of thing and most of those religous states are far more dangerous to the world in general than Israel.

Bullshit. No nation in that part of the world has been a greater destabilizing influence than Israel.

Iraq and Iran used to give it quite the run for its money if you ask me.

Like I said, you can believe whatever you want. Making a claim doesn't make it true.

Actually, it is verifiable fact that the vast majority of Christians on this board do not wear your derogatory title. Your failure to recognize that fact and your insistence on pretending that it's only a "claim" merely proves once more that you are an imbecile.

So because I made you angry at some point more so than most other Christians I must be an imbecile?