Spanish PM Orders Troops Out Of Iraq

[Sir Sirius]

Found it!, also here.

[Stark]

Nice to see the Spanish have brains. Now all we need is that fuckwit John Howard to be voted out and Mark Latham to pull our troops out.

Amen. I'm not a 100% Latham supporter, but he isn't Evil(tm) so he gets my vote. I'm even in QLD, where the Liberals only got three seats.

[pellaeons_scion]

Howards reponses are so predicatable. Al Sadr apparently stated that Aussie troops and contractors would be targeted for kidnappings, and spanish troops would be left alone. Howards reponse? "LALALAL I cant hear you we will be there to the bitter end!"

Easy to talk tough when your sitting canberra you steaming turd

Bring on latham, hell my socks would be a better Governing body

[pellaeons_scion]

linky
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1090875.htm

[Stark]

Howards reponses are so predicatable. Al Sadr apparently stated that Aussie troops and contractors would be targeted for kidnappings, and spanish troops would be left alone. Howards reponse? "LALALAL I cant hear you we will be there to the bitter end!"

Easy to talk tough when your sitting canberra you steaming turd

Bring on latham, hell my socks would be a better Governing body

I honestly can't work out who votes for him. He's killed education, health, the environment, forgein relations, taxed everyone more than ever, divided the people along ethic lines, and got us into a war. Who likes that? 51% of the population is *not* big business

[pellaeons_scion]

No Idea. And whoever did isnt owning up to it. How did we slip so far backwards is what Im trying to work out. We were progressive and not an aggressive nation, now we are doing all this sabre rattling without a clue about the possible consequences.

We've been lucky so far in this war on errorism, but that cant hold forever.

[Vympel]

Then Iraq inches closer to going to hell.

If that happens, what are the chances we'll be doing this all over again in 10 years?

It already is in hell.

[Sharp-kun]

Then Iraq inches closer to going to hell.

If that happens, what are the chances we'll be doing this all over again in 10 years?

It already is in hell.

It can get far worse and you know it. It's bad, but at the moment theres the chance it won't become the next Islamo dictatorship. If everyone in the world just shrugs and goes "not our problem" then Iraq becomes the next Aghanistan with a government who won't give two shits if Al Qaeda decide to move on.

I disagreed with the war on Iraq, but now that we're started it makes sense to finish it.

[BoredShirtless]

Then Iraq inches closer to going to hell.

If that happens, what are the chances we'll be doing this all over again in 10 years?

It already is in hell.

It can get far worse and you know it. It's bad, but at the moment theres the chance it won't become the next Islamo dictatorship. If everyone in the world just shrugs and goes "not our problem" then Iraq becomes the next Aghanistan with a government who won't give two shits if Al Qaeda decide to move on.

That's one of the biggest slippery slopes I've ever seen. I would buy a civil war, but how do you go all the way to Taliban?

I disagreed with the war on Iraq, but now that we're started it makes sense to finish it.

It makes more sense for the US to cede control over to the UN. Welcome back Spain...maybe even welcome Russia....welcome sanity.

[Sharp-kun]

That's one of the biggest slippery slopes I've ever seen. I would buy a civil war, but how do you go all the way to Taliban?

What would the likely end result of a civil war be? One fundamentalist group will likely come out on top eventually and will no doubt impose some form of Islamic law on what remains of Iraq.

It makes more sense for the US to cede control over to the UN. Welcome back Spain...maybe even welcome Russia....welcome sanity.

That would also work.

The question is though, would Iraq accept the UN?

[Vympel]

It can get far worse and you know it. It's bad, but at the moment theres the chance it won't become the next Islamo dictatorship.

With a US puppet democracy in its place? That won't do any good.

If everyone in the world just shrugs and goes "not our problem" then Iraq becomes the next Aghanistan with a government who won't give two shits if Al Qaeda decide to move on.

Iraq's history and ethnic factions hardly speaks to that conclusion at all. Let the Sunnis Shi'ites and Kurds have it out to see what becomes of the place, We're so big on self-determination, maybe not imposing a form of government on them would be a good start. There is such a thing as hands off encoruagement.

I disagreed with the war on Iraq, but now that we're started it makes sense to finish it.

Define how the war will be "finished". It won't be- it will go on, and on, and on, with constant, annoying claims that we're "turning the corner", the same old empty platitudes about new damn schools or some such mamby pamby airhead bullshit, and anything from 20-100 dead US troops per month depending on which shithead got annoyed on any given day. It's only a matter of time.

[BoredShirtless]

That's one of the biggest slippery slopes I've ever seen. I would buy a civil war, but how do you go all the way to Taliban?

What would the likely end result of a civil war be? One fundamentalist group will likely come out on top eventually and will no doubt impose some form of Islamic law on what remains of Iraq.

Without a doubt every Islamic state enforces the same Islamic based laws as the Taliban did, right?

It makes more sense for the US to cede control over to the UN. Welcome back Spain...maybe even welcome Russia....welcome sanity.

That would also work.

The question is though, would Iraq accept the UN?

I don't know. I'd bet they would, if the UN helped them setup conditions required for elections.

[PainRack]

I hate to say this, but sending in the UN now would be effectively useless . The UN doesn't have the ability and authority on the ground. Only armed troops can exert that authority, and for better or worse, that means US troops.