SW v ST in Transformers land

[Sunstreaker]

Anyone want to "convince" a bunch of fanboys that Star Trek is pathetic next to Star Wars in war?

Apparently these guys don't want to listen to my rants any more

Transfan Ignorance

[Knife]

I really don't see an argument. Just people arbitrarily picking one out of two choices.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Anyone want to "convince" a bunch of fanboys that Star Trek is pathetic next to Star Wars in war?

Apparently these guys don't want to listen to my rants any more

Transfan Ignorance

Have you actually tried to convince them? If so what is your name on that website?

[Ghost Rider]

Eh only one guy is offering any competition and it's more because he doesn't know what info to take.

I say ask for him to provide calcs for his side.

It solved it long ago...and whatnot.

As for his name...I'd venture a guess God Sunstreaker.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Eh only one guy is offering any competition and it's more because he doesn't know what info to take.

I say ask for him to provide calcs for his side.

It solved it long ago...and whatnot.

As for his name...I'd venture a guess God Sunstreaker.

I don't really see any sort of competition in that thread. It's more like the people there simply don't give a shit.

God Sunstreakers post does a pretty good initial job. He did say it's based off the damage both sides can do to an asteroid which the difference is very telling if you combine any of those scenes.

[Ghost Rider]

Eh only one guy is offering any competition and it's more because he doesn't know what info to take.

I say ask for him to provide calcs for his side.

It solved it long ago...and whatnot.

As for his name...I'd venture a guess God Sunstreaker.

I don't really see any sort of competition in that thread. It's more like the people there simply don't give a shit.

99% of them are...which is why I said for one poster.

Only one poster is disputing thus, that one poster should provide the reason and if need be calculations as to why he's disputing.

[Sunstreaker]

99% of them are...which is why I said for one poster.

Only one poster is disputing thus, that one poster should provide the reason and if need be calculations as to why he's disputing.

Usually these SW vs debates get a little more beefy than that particular battle. I felt a preemptive strike might have been in order. That, and I wanted to double team some of the Trekies; it’s a shame most of them don’t feel like debating. And yes, over there I'm God Sunstreaker.

btw: Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind if anyone replies.

[Darth Servo]

Usually these SW vs debates get a little more beefy than that particular battle. I felt a preemptive strike might have been in order. That, and I wanted to double team some of the Trekies; it’s a shame most of them don’t feel like debating.

Keep us informed though. Something may develop. Its been a while since I got to sink my teeth into a true die hard trekkie who could actually try to debate semirationally.

[wautd]

Even if they dont believe that SW got stronger shields and weapons, tell them that ST ships are just to slow to conquer the SW universe.


Man a few days i saw a ST fan made movie of a ST+B5 vs SW battle. A ST ship was able to destroy an ISD with 3 fotontorps. I mean... comon

[Murazor]

Man a few days i saw a ST fan made movie of a ST+B5 vs SW battle. A ST ship was able to destroy an ISD with 3 fotontorps. I mean... comon

That's stupid! I strongly believe that at least five quantum torpedoes would be needed to destroy an ISD.

***runs away closing blast doors in his way***

[wautd]

Man a few days i saw a ST fan made movie of a ST+B5 vs SW battle. A ST ship was able to destroy an ISD with 3 fotontorps. I mean... comon

That's stupid! I strongly believe that at least five quantum torpedoes would be needed to destroy an ISD.

***runs away closing blast doors in his way***

see it with your own eyes
Dunno if i should laugh or cry at it

[Murazor]

Even if they dont believe that SW got stronger shields and weapons, tell them that ST ships are just to slow to conquer the SW universe.

Well... I myself am not very much in the calculation thing (complete lack of proper scientifical education being one of the main reasons) but it is well within reason that a civilization that has been in space for thousands of years is probably a bit more advanced than one three hundred years old. If we add the fact that the empire at the very least has an advantage of three orders of magnitude in the avalaible resources and a much faster FTL and the debate is over for any but the most rabid fans of Star Trek.

[Isolder74]

Let me put it this way.

1.) Lets assume that a Star Destroyer and the Enterprise-D have the same shield strength and that a Phaser and a Turbolaser each have the same firepower as well as a Proton Torpedo = Photon Torpedo. We can then assume the Star destroyer can take 3 of its own volleys before its shields drop and 1 more to finish it off(Giving the E-D the same shield/armor strength, I know it is a big concession)

2.) Lets assume that fighters can only hurt the enemy with their ordinance(Torpedos) and that they have to kill off all of the enemies Aux craft before they can attack sach others mothership.

3.) Now we assume they both open fore ar the same time and have the same fire rate.

Ok given that, the Star Destroyer STILL wins! The E-D has 10 phasers + 8 torpedos(if we assume the things have same damage rating as Phaser.) The Destroyer has 70 + Turbolaser cannons. Even without the fighters(Which are launching this round) the Star destroyer is already ahead. The E-D has to survive Almosr four rounds of fire to do the same as that to the destoyer. So who is going to win?

[Sunstreaker]

Let me put it this way.

1.) Lets assume that a Star Destroyer and the Enterprise-D have the same shield strength and that a Phaser and a Turbolaser each have the same firepower as well as a Proton Torpedo = Photon Torpedo. We can then assume the Star destroyer can take 3 of its own volleys before its shields drop and 1 more to finish it off(Giving the E-D the same shield/armor strength, I know it is a big concession)

2.) Lets assume that fighters can only hurt the enemy with their ordinance(Torpedos) and that they have to kill off all of the enemies Aux craft before they can attack sach others mothership.

3.) Now we assume they both open fore ar the same time and have the same fire rate.

Ok given that, the Star Destroyer STILL wins! The E-D has 10 phasers + 8 torpedos(if we assume the things have same damage rating as Phaser.) The Destroyer has 70 + Turbolaser cannons. Even without the fighters(Which are launching this round) the Star destroyer is already ahead. The E-D has to survive Almosr four rounds of fire to do the same as that to the destoyer. So who is going to win?

If Trekies believed that Trek weapons were equivalent to Star Wars weapons your arguments would be flawless. But, the standard ignorant Trekie belief I've come across is that phasers are more powerful than turbo lasers due to the fact that one phaser blast focuses the ship's energy into one powerful blast. They claim that the one phaser blast is equivalent to the sum of a an ISD barrage because the ISD and the Galaxy run at equivalent power levels. Then they bring up the belief that photon torpedoes cause twice the damage that phasers do. So a Galaxy can inflict more damage faster with 3 times the offensive fire power of an ISD.

So, when given the opportunity I set them straight.

[Tribun]

They sound like a case of hardcore Trekkies.

Try to bring them over here! We just need some amusement, and this is exactly what we need!

[Isolder74]

Let me put it this way.

1.) Lets assume that a Star Destroyer and the Enterprise-D have the same shield strength and that a Phaser and a Turbolaser each have the same firepower as well as a Proton Torpedo = Photon Torpedo. We can then assume the Star destroyer can take 3 of its own volleys before its shields drop and 1 more to finish it off(Giving the E-D the same shield/armor strength, I know it is a big concession)

2.) Lets assume that fighters can only hurt the enemy with their ordinance(Torpedos) and that they have to kill off all of the enemies Aux craft before they can attack sach others mothership.

3.) Now we assume they both open fore ar the same time and have the same fire rate.

Ok given that, the Star Destroyer STILL wins! The E-D has 10 phasers + 8 torpedos(if we assume the things have same damage rating as Phaser.) The Destroyer has 70 + Turbolaser cannons. Even without the fighters(Which are launching this round) the Star destroyer is already ahead. The E-D has to survive Almosr four rounds of fire to do the same as that to the destoyer. So who is going to win?

If Trekies believed that Trek weapons were equivalent to Star Wars weapons your arguments would be flawless. But, the standard ignorant Trekie belief I've come across is that phasers are more powerful than turbo lasers due to the fact that one phaser blast focuses the ship's energy into one powerful blast. They claim that the one phaser blast is equivalent to the sum of a an ISD barrage because the ISD and the Galaxy run at equivalent power levels. Then they bring up the belief that photon torpedoes cause twice the damage that phasers do. So a Galaxy can inflict more damage faster with 3 times the offensive fire power of an ISD.

So, when given the opportunity I set them straight.

Given that I am only using the light turbolaser makes if they do that even worse for them if they do pull that. I did not use the 8 Heavy Turbolasers or its Medium Turbolasers batteries in that comparison. As you can see I was being very kind to the Star Trek ship.