Windows Longhorn and TCPA/Palladium

[Shinova]

So, Longhorn is coming out in something like 2005 or 2006. TCPA and Palladium are supposed to be implemented on all AMD and Intel chips to work with Longhorn by this time.

For those who don't know, the whole TCPA thing makes it impossible for you to have stuff like mp3s and other pirated stuff on your machine. Basically it pisses a LOT of computer users off.

So, which rumors are true and which are just rumors?


EDIT: Okay, I just found out that Palladium and Longhorn are basically the same thing. So it's the software (Longhorn/Palladium) and the hardware (Fritz chip) that are to enforce this TCPA thing.

[Coaan]

Time to start building old machines.

Fuck them

[Xon]

Riiiiight. I think that tinfoil hat is cutting the circulation to your brain off.

Have you heard the of the term F.U.D. ?

[phongn]

For those who don't know, the whole TCPA thing makes it impossible for you to have stuff like mp3s and other pirated stuff on your machine. Basically it pisses a LOT of computer users off.

How does it do that? Legacy applications will still run on your computer ... meaning that you can still play MP3s just fine. It may make it more difficult to run pirated programs. It will also make it more difficult for viruses, trojans and other malware to be executed on a computer.

EDIT: Okay, I just found out that Palladium and Longhorn are basically the same thing. So it's the software (Longhorn/Palladium) and the hardware (Fritz chip) that are to enforce this TCPA thing.

Wrong, buddy. Longhorn will implement Palladium and TCPA (they are not the same thing).

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[Sharp-kun]

For those who don't know, the whole TCPA thing makes it impossible for you to have stuff like mp3s and other pirated stuff on your machine. Basically it pisses a LOT of computer users off.

How?

That kind of thing will presumably only work if the people who actually encode the mp3/avi file actually write in support for it. How is Windows going to know the difference betwen a copyrighted track, and one I've composed myself if both were encoded with software that doesn't write that info?

[Pu-239]

I'm an anti-microsoft zealot and even I know when not to believe FUD. like this.

And TCPA is already here on IBM computers. Don't hear about anything screwy happening on those (in fact, there's an (OSS?) Linux driver too). I'm not sure (hard to burn through all this FUD), but I think all TCPA does is a chip accepts data, encrypts it, and spits it out without the key visible.

[Shinova]

Dude, don't ask me questions. That was my reason for posting this thread in the first place.

[Antares]

How?

http://www.againsttcpa.com/

read and learn

[Slartibartfast]

Is this Fritz chip thing like a mainboard serial number? For instance, I used to be able to use Norton's Liveupdate subscription for a whole new year just by uninstalling and cleaning the registry, back when I had a Celeron, but now with my P4, when it connects to the Norton website it's like it remembers my computer number and knows that my subscription has expired...

[Pu-239]

The Fritz chip I think was pushed by Fritz Hollings as part of the CBDPTA (don't ask me what it stands for), which got shot down thanks to lots of hate messages sent to Congress. The term appears to be applied to other DRM chips.

http://www.research.ibm.com/gsal/tcpa/
Interesting information on TCPA

Note that TCPA has been renamed to TCG, and that future versions of TCPA may indeed have DRM. Currently seems benign, and seems premature to assume this. NGCSB (Palladium) appears to really be DRM exploiting the hardware. Personally, I don't care since I don't use Windows/care about music or media, thanks to usage of dialup. It even might encourage more Linux users. What really is a concern is Phoenix's plans for Windows integration with the BIOS. Then again, one could always switch to a Mac.


Read this
Written by Rob Enderle, so take it with a grain of salt (Rob Enderle is well noted as an idiot, who claimed (and possibly still does) that SCO had a case, Bluetooth was dead, among other things, Apple was going to use x86 (http://www.macmegasite.com/modules.php? ... e&sid=1219), among other things.).

[GoldenFalcon]

I really doubt Microsoft would shoot itself in the foot with this, if you can only run "registered" software. Other than opensource and freeware, you'd also have to consider hobbyist programmers. Pretty much 90% of creativity would be stifled if you had to buy licenses just to make a program.

[phongn]

I really doubt Microsoft would shoot itself in the foot with this, if you can only run "registered" software. Other than opensource and freeware, you'd also have to consider hobbyist programmers. Pretty much 90% of creativity would be stifled if you had to buy licenses just to make a program.

I'm not incredibly worried about Microsoft here -- its more Big Media that I'm worried about.

[The Kernel]

I really doubt Microsoft would shoot itself in the foot with this, if you can only run "registered" software. Other than opensource and freeware, you'd also have to consider hobbyist programmers. Pretty much 90% of creativity would be stifled if you had to buy licenses just to make a program.

I'm not incredibly worried about Microsoft here -- its more Big Media that I'm worried about.

Why? No form of Palladium protection is present in the next-gen DVD specs and there is no way in hell they'll be able to implement it on CD's either without ruining backwards compatibility.

[Korvan]

The one thing I'm hoping will happen is that palladium will eliminate or at least greatly reduce online cheating in games. Be almost worth selling your soul to MS for that.

[Vertigo1]

Atleast AMD will give you the choice of enabling or disabling Palladium....unlike Intel. Still, I'm sticking with my XP2800. Fuck them and their big brother bullshit.