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My Congressman got busted

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For carrying a gun in his briefcase while boarding a plane.

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LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- Rep. John Hostettler of Indiana was briefly detained Tuesday when airport security workers found a handgun in his briefcase as he was going through a checkpoint on a trip back to Washington

The five-term Republican congressman was preparing to board a US Airways flight at Louisville International Airport when the gun was found, said his press secretary Michael Jahr.

"Apparently the congressman had left a handgun in his briefcase and forgot it was in there and took it to the security checkpoint, where it was detected and they detained him briefly to make sure he had no ill intent as they should do," Jahr said.

Jahr said Hostettler is an avid sportsman and has a permit for the weapon, but he was not sure what type of handgun the congressman had and whether it was loaded.

Hostettler has represented his district in southwestern Indiana since 1995 and is seeking re-election this year to a sixth term.
I imagine the reason he was flying out of Louisville is that it's both cheaper and a direct flight. Whereas flying out of Evansville to DC involves a turboprop 'commuter plane' flight to Memphis and a wait or a Canadair 'Regional Jet' flight to Detroit and a wait.

It's carelessness on his part, and absent any malicious intent, he'll wind up being charged with a misdemeanor and probably pay a fine.


More on the story from our local paper:
An Indiana congressman will face a misdemeanor charge of carrying a concealed deadly weapon after being detained Tuesday morning by security screeners at the Louisville (Ky.) International Airport.

Rep. John Hostettler, an 8th District Republican, will appear at the U.S. District Court at the Jefferson County Hall of Justice on May 4 on the charges and could face a maximum year in jail and up to a $500 fine. He had not retained a lawyer as of Tuesday night and said he was not sure how he would plead.


Hostettler was returning to Washington via a US Airways flight after a two-week congressional recess when security screeners spotted a loaded handgun in his satchel at an airport security checkpoint. Hostettler was stopped and questioned first by screeners, then by local police, then by the FBI. Hostettler said he put the handgun in his satchel two weeks earlier. He said he uses it for personal protection as he travels the district. When he returned home, he set the satchel aside for the rest of the recess. He said he regrets not double-checking the bag before he brought it with him, calling it a "stupid mistake."

He said he has carried a handgun for personal protection when he travels far from home in the 8th Congressional District almost the entire time he has served in Congress. But he said he doesn't necessarily carry the gun just because he is a member of Congress.

"In my opinion, you can't be too careful," he said. "... I prefer not to be a victim of a violent crime." Ann Davis, a spokeswoman for the federal Transportation Security Administration, said screeners detained a passenger at 10:45 a.m. as he tried to pass through the security checkpoint at the airport. Transportation Security Administration screeners detected a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun in a carry-on bag.

Davis said she was barred from naming the detained passenger, citing privacy reasons.

Hostettler was detained for more than an hour before being released, and said he does not believe he got special treatment because he is a member of Congress. Authorities discovered he was a member of Congress when they asked for identification. He was not permitted to open the satchel that carried the gun and his driver's license, he said, so he had to show them his congressional voting card. "The argument could be made that they could've overlooked the whole thing when they found out I was a congressman," he said. "That didn't happen and shouldn't have happened and these law enforcement people did the right thing."

Authorities kept the handgun, a Glock model 19. The gun, which does not have a lock but which had an engaged safety, had 14 rounds in the magazine but none in the chamber.

Hostettler has a "conceal and carry" license from the state of Indiana, and estimates he owns more than a dozen guns, including rifles, shotguns and handguns. Kentucky recognizes Indiana gun licenses, and vice versa. Hostettler, now serving his fifth congressional term, has been an outspoken supporter of gun rights, and was a leading supporter of legislation that would allow airline pilots to carry guns in the cockpit.

He is a member of the National Rifle Association and has denounced gun-control initiatives of the Clinton administration. Hostettler said the FBI and U.S. attorney's office are contemplating "what action needs to be taken." He said he is not sure how he will plead in the case because the statue says handguns are prohibited within a restricted area, and Hostettler never actually brought the gun to the restricted area. "The system worked," he said.

Hostettler praised authorities for their politeness and professionalism.

"They had their job to do," he said. "And they did it very well."
He won't face any Kentucky state charges because Kentucky and Indiana both recognize each other's handgun permits.
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If he were an dark-skinned non-congressman US citizen, he'd be locked up from now till the heat death of the universe.
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Fucking double standards. Had he been ANYONE else (practicaly) he would have been detained and humilated.
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He was detained for about an hour.

Anyway, he is being charged with the Federal misdemeanor of having the gun in his carryon.

They also confiscated the gun.

There are several other cases of situations like this where there were either no charges filed or the only charge filed was the same misdemeanor the Feds filed against Hostettler.

The exceptions are state weapons charges are filed. This appears to happen mainly in states that either have no provision for civilians to carry concealed weapons or they do not recognize out of state carry permits.


Here are some more cases of people doing the same thing.

Cincinnati
Transportation Security Administration officials said screeners found a .25-caliber handgun in a woman's purse at 6:15 a.m. Thursday as she was trying to go through the checkpoint of the airport's Terminal 2.

TSA spokeswoman Suzanne Luber said the gun was loaded, but there was no round in the chamber.

Janette A. Adwani, 44, of Georgetown, Ohio, was charged with carrying a concealed weapon and taken to Boone County Detention Center.

Ms. Adwani was born in Amman, Jordan, and has been a U.S. resident for 17 years.

In his arrest report, airport police Officer Jeff Knauf said he believed the woman had made an honest mistake.
She was arrested under Ohio state law, which at the time had no provision for citizens to legally carry concealed.

She apparently wasn't charged under any Federal statutes.

Texas
FBI agent Andy Muñiz told Oliveira he may be subject to a $10,000 fine and "at this time there would be no charges filed against him."

Oliveira "did not try to circumvent the (security) procedures at the airport. There is nothing negative of this unfortunate event," said the airport’s director, Jon E. Mathiasen.

Oliveira was not arrested because airport police found no criminal intent, Mathiasen said.

"Was he treated differently than anyone else, absolutely not," Mathiasen said. "It can happen to you and me, but I’m sure he will not forget again."

Herwig said the offense can lead to arrest.

"It’s not that common, but it happens," Herwig said.

Oliveira was released from the custody of authorities an hour later.


Charges dropped against Philadelphia woman
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Prosecutors have dropped charges against a woman who was arrested after security screeners found a loaded gun in her bag at Philadelphia International Airport.

U.S. Attorney Patrick Meehan said Monday that the gun belonged to Nancy Keller's husband and that there wasn't enough evidence to prove she knew it was in her bag.

Prosecutors declined to say how the .357-caliber semiautomatic got into a zipper compartment in Keller's carry-on bag.

Keller, 37, of Huntersville, N.C., was making a connection in Philadelphia on a flight from Atlanta on Aug. 25 when a screener saw the gun on an X-ray machine. She had been charged with boarding an aircraft with a concealed weapon.
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Congressmen don't have to pay for misdemeanors. I imagine he'll pay the fine anyway, though, out of principle.
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ahhh the double standard. A few years ago, my congressman, Patrick Kennedy (Ted's idiot son) beat up a 60 year old security guard at LAX when she told him that his carry on was to big to fit through the screener and he'd have to check it. He knocked her down screaming "Do you know who i am? I'm a congressman! I'm a Kennedy goddamnit!" and forced his way past. He wasn't charged, even though there was security camera footage of the entire event. Now imagine if a dark skinned fellow with a name like Mohammad tried the same thing.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:ahhh the double standard. A few years ago, my congressman, Patrick Kennedy (Ted's idiot son) beat up a 60 year old security guard at LAX when she told him that his carry on was to big to fit through the screener and he'd have to check it. He knocked her down screaming "Do you know who i am? I'm a congressman! I'm a Kennedy goddamnit!" and forced his way past. He wasn't charged, even though there was security camera footage of the entire event.
You gotta be kidding me! He should've been charged with assault in a heartbeat.
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Master of Ossus wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:ahhh the double standard. A few years ago, my congressman, Patrick Kennedy (Ted's idiot son) beat up a 60 year old security guard at LAX when she told him that his carry on was to big to fit through the screener and he'd have to check it. He knocked her down screaming "Do you know who i am? I'm a congressman! I'm a Kennedy goddamnit!" and forced his way past. He wasn't charged, even though there was security camera footage of the entire event.
You gotta be kidding me! He should've been charged with assault in a heartbeat.
oh he's a piece of shit. He was also involved in a "domestic disturbance" aboard his boat a few years ago. Evidently his girlfriend at the time jumped ship swam to another boat and called the police. She was shaken and he was piss drunk, but the story abruptly disappeared.

Then there is my favorite Patrick Kennedy story. At a DNC Congressional Re-election committee fundraiser in 2002 Patrick got shitfaced and when his time came to speak at the podium he staggered up to the mic and unwittingly said into the microphone 'I don't care, I never worked a fucking day in my life".
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