Terminator vs. Predator

[YT300000]

In the jungle from Predator. The Predator has all the gadgets from P2: the combstick, the claws and multiple vision types (so he can see the Terminator), as well as the disk and plasma caster.

The Terminator is a T-800, with an undamaged skin covering.

Scenario 1: The T-800 has his T1 armament: Colt M1911 Long Slide, Franchi SPAS-12, Armalite AR-18, IMI Uzi, Ruger GP-100.
Scenario 2: The T-800 has his T2 armament: Winchester 1887, General Electric M-134, and M-79 GL.

Who wins?

[Captain tycho]

Well, the T-850 took the T-X's plasma blast right to the chest without any real damage, it just seemed to be stunned. I don't know whether the T-800 is nearby as durable, though it's likely to get stunned from a full power plasma caster hit. If not, the Pred can just pound away until it kills the Termie, or switch to his disc and see if Termies can be decapitated.
Problem is, with the amount of weaponry the Termie has the Predator will have to resort to hit and run attacks, or else get chewed apart at close range.
So I envision a game of cat and mouse, the Pred using his cloak and superior speed to get off a few hits before the Terminator can fire back, assuming the T-800 can locate where the shots came from. It seems it'll be very close, but if the Pred plays his cards right he can most likely take the Termie down.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Undamaged skin huh? You mean he's Ar-nold

If the 'General Electric' thing is a plasma weapon from the future, or the gattling gun, the Terminator takes it easy. He need only saturat ethe area with bullets when he picks the Pred up on infrared, or hit it with one good plasma bolt, and that ends that hunt.

If not, then the Predator will eventually get it's bearings on the Terminator, and he'll take a plasma caster bolt to the chest. And the Pred will go home with a very unique 'metal skeleton' for a trophy.

[YT300000]

Well, the T-850 took the T-X's plasma blast right to the chest without any real damage, it just seemed to be stunned. I don't know whether the T-800 is nearby as durable

The most major upgrade over the T-800 in the T-850 was making it incredibly resistant to plasma attacks (one of the main reasons I didn't pick a T-850 for this match-up). The plasma caster can do some real damage to a T-800, it would just take a bunch of shots.

[Captain tycho]

Undamaged skin huh? You mean he's Ar-nold

If the 'General Electric' thing is a plasma weapon from the future, or the gattling gun, the Terminator takes it easy. He need only saturat ethe area with bullets when he picks the Pred up on infrared, or hit it with one good plasma bolt, and that ends that hunt.

If not, then the Predator will eventually get it's bearings on the Terminator, and he'll take a plasma caster bolt to the chest. And the Pred will go home with a very unique 'metal skeleton' for a trophy.

If we include Aliens vs Predator (the game), infared can't pick up cloaked preds. And even if not, the Predator can just hightail it outta there before the minigun even starts firing, since it takes a few moments for the barrel to begin rotating.

[Captain tycho]

Well, the T-850 took the T-X's plasma blast right to the chest without any real damage, it just seemed to be stunned. I don't know whether the T-800 is nearby as durable

The most major upgrade over the T-800 in the T-850 was making it incredibly resistant to plasma attacks (one of the main reasons I didn't pick a T-850 for this match-up). The plasma caster can do some real damage to a T-800, it would just take a bunch of shots.

Are we including AVP in this, in terms of weapons capabilties, or just 'movie' capabilities. AVP plasma casters can be charged up to explosive levels, and have a homing function.

[YT300000]

Undamaged skin huh? You mean he's Ar-nold

Right.

If the 'General Electric' thing is a plasma weapon from the future, or the gattling gun, the Terminator takes it easy. He need only saturat ethe area with bullets when he picks the Pred up on infrared, or hit it with one good plasma bolt, and that ends that hunt.

If not, then the Predator will eventually get it's bearings on the Terminator, and he'll take a plasma caster bolt to the chest. And the Pred will go home with a very unique 'metal skeleton' for a trophy.

The M-134 is this:



And ironically enough, this too:

[Captain tycho]

Well, the T-850 took the T-X's plasma blast right to the chest without any real damage, it just seemed to be stunned. I don't know whether the T-800 is nearby as durable

The most major upgrade over the T-800 in the T-850 was making it incredibly resistant to plasma attacks (one of the main reasons I didn't pick a T-850 for this match-up). The plasma caster can do some real damage to a T-800, it would just take a bunch of shots.

Are we including AVP in this, in terms of weapons capabilties, or just 'movie' capabilities. AVP plasma casters, when charged up, have a pretty damned nice area of effect, along with a nifty homing ability.

Edit: Clarified

[Laird]

In the jungle from Predator. The Predator has all the gadgets from P2: the combstick, the claws and multiple vision types (so he can see the Terminator), as well as the disk and plasma caster.

The Terminator is a T-800, with an undamaged skin covering.

Scenario 1: The T-800 has his T1 armament: Colt M1911 Long Slide, Franchi SPAS-12, Armalite AR-18, IMI Uzi, Ruger GP-100.
Scenario 2: The T-800 has his T2 armament: Winchester 1887, General Electric M-134, and M-79 GL.

Who wins?

Terminator wins with a pimp slap, just like it did in the AVPVT comics. Predator walks up with the combi stick/spear and jabs it into the arnie lookalike termie, with a stunned look on it's face the predator is bitch slapped and neck broken by said slap.

[Lancer]

In the jungle from Predator. The Predator has all the gadgets from P2: the combstick, the claws and multiple vision types (so he can see the Terminator), as well as the disk and plasma caster.

The Terminator is a T-800, with an undamaged skin covering.

Scenario 1: The T-800 has his T1 armament: Colt M1911 Long Slide, Franchi SPAS-12, Armalite AR-18, IMI Uzi, Ruger GP-100.
Scenario 2: The T-800 has his T2 armament: Winchester 1887, General Electric M-134, and M-79 GL.

Who wins?

Terminator wins with a pimp slap, just like it did in the AVPVT comics. Predator walks up with the combi stick/spear and jabs it into the arnie lookalike termie, with a stunned look on it's face the predator is bitch slapped and neck broken by said slap.

Pred code of honor involves taking on opponents w/ similar ranged weapons. If the T-800 has either arsenal of ranged weapons, the Pred won't hesitate to blast away with the speargun or shoulder-cannon.

Score a hit on the hydrogen power-cell with either, and the T-800's toasted.

[YT300000]

The most major upgrade over the T-800 in the T-850 was making it incredibly resistant to plasma attacks (one of the main reasons I didn't pick a T-850 for this match-up). The plasma caster can do some real damage to a T-800, it would just take a bunch of shots.

Are we including AVP in this, in terms of weapons capabilties, or just 'movie' capabilities. AVP plasma casters, when charged up, have a pretty damned nice area of effect, along with a nifty homing ability.

Edit: Clarified

I'd imagine that the movies would be worth more than the games (game mechanics and all) but sure, lets count AvP.

[Captain tycho]

Well, I wasnt talking about damage in the AVP games, just observed effects, i.e. the homing function of the plasma caster. Since we're using AVP, that means theres no way the Termie will be able to see the Pred, since IR doesnt pick up Predator's whilst they're cloaked. Of course that doesn't exclude the T-900 from determining where the fire is coming from.

[1337n1nj4]

I thought the mini-gun in Predator was a GAU-17?

[Captain tycho]

I thought the mini-gun in Predator was a GAU-17?

Whatever it was, it makes no damn sense to equip infantry with them. Considering you would need a helicopter's worth of ammo to drag along, the massive batteries needed, the ass-knocking kickback...plus theres no reason short of AA uses why infantry would need such a thing.

[Omega-13]

The predator is a goodshot, and doesn't panic like the humans the predator faced in P1 and P2. I think the Predator will get a few shots off, like it did in P1,

Dutch and company were able to see the predator even when cloaked when they knew what they were looking for, so I don't see the Terminators have much problems at all, especially when their hearing is far superior to humans, and vision I might add.

If the predator could keep getting behind the Terminator and hitting him in the back it could conceivably wear it down, but if it just made one mistake it would be all over. If the terminator ran out of bullets and dropped its weapon like it always does and the predator decided to go with 'honor' and go hand to hand, well that is also a huge mistake

[18-Till-I-Die]

Undamaged skin huh? You mean he's Ar-nold

Right.

Oh well, Ar-Nold wins easy.

Ja, he vil smaken der Predator, und say "Shut up little girlie-girl!"

Und der Predator vil say, "Ah, nine, dont hurten me, i'm a little girlie-woman girl! Mine panties are bunching!"

"Be silent little girlie-girl, i dont need to defile mine perfectly engineered German ears vith your vining! I vil now blast mine quads vith der Pex-Flexor!" he'll respond.

And he'll then send in the Cally-Fornia National Guard an they will handily kill the Pred.

[18-Till-I-Die]

I'm sorry about how bad that joke was, i couldnt resist

[frigidmagi]

You should be sorry.

However I got to think the T-800 holds a damn good chance of winning, especially if the Pred thinks it's a human.

It won't be perpared for the advanced senses and strength or marksmenship (T-2 able to fire the gatling gun, destory lots of police equipment and not kill a single soul.) Surprise, BANG!

[consequences]

The only thing that saved the Preds in the comic crossover was the presence of Aliens, whose blood was able to take down Termies. Even allowing for the fact that they had much better weapons in that book, the predator would still be horribly screwed, as it has been shown to be injured before by 20th century small arms.

[Gandalf]

As much as it pains me to say it, I think the Predator will take this.

Whilst cloaked, it has all the time in the world to line up it's shots.

If it goes HtH, who has the advantage there?

[Ma Deuce]

"Be silent little girlie-girl, i dont need to defile mine perfectly engineered German ears vith your vining! I vil now blast mine quads vith der Pex-Flexor!" he'll respond.

Arnie's Austrian, not German .

[Robert Walper]

Shit...good matchup YT. I was expecting a hand to hand setup, in which case I'd say Terminator easily enough.

However, the setup you have is highly debatable. Both are armed, and both have specific advantages over the other.

I'd have to say the Terminator, but that is based solely upon my preference between the two. And the margin is thinner than a human hair.

[Howedar]

A T-800 should be quite advanced enough to determine the direction of incoming fire very accurately and return fire very quickly. And he's a lot more survivable than a Predator.

Predator is toast eight times out of ten.

[Vympel]

The Plasma Caster has demonstrated very little power against metal. My guess, it pulverizes the T-800 skin, revealing a nice shiny metal chest. Predator is then surprised.

[Sarevok]

As much as it pains me to say it, I think the Predator will take this.

Whilst cloaked, it has all the time in the world to line up it's shots.

If it goes HtH, who has the advantage there?

I dont think the Predators cloak would work against the Terminator. The terminator has infrared sensors. Unless the Predator cools itself to absolute zero the infrared sensors will detect it.