STGOD 4 OOC Thread

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-04-26 06:53pm

I don't see why the arguing continues. The result is that a relatively unimportant mage (an unnamed mage) is dead and Laz's race has learned the rules that govern the DND Mage class, and now Aly has a stronger defense grid. This is not worth bickering over. Let's just call this a "no harm no foul" or else this will really drag the game down. Tactics on both sides were a bit questionable, and no one will do it again. Ok?

Come on, people.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-26 06:54pm

Sure. Would stuff like "Mages cast so many spells per day" or "Wizards learn from scrolls" be ok?

What, for your own newly advanced Goa'Uld troops? Fuck you.

(I hate being at school while all of this is being discussed, I miss half the thread)

Go ahead, try to learn something, Once he doesnt show up at the barracks in oh say... 5 minutes, diviners will scry on his location.

problem solved

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-26 06:55pm

Bugsby wrote:I don't see why the arguing continues. The result is that a relatively unimportant mage (an unnamed mage) is dead and Laz's race has learned the rules that govern the DND Mage class, and now Aly has a stronger defense grid. This is not worth bickering over. Let's just call this a "no harm no foul" or else this will really drag the game down. Tactics on both sides were a bit questionable, and no one will do it again. Ok?

Come on, people.

That is just it... laz WILL do it again. He has done it over and over again in every RPG he has participated in on this board

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-26 06:55pm

Wait. Dahak, did I read that wrong, or did you just bust a planet?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-26 06:56pm

lazerus wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
I dont care WHAT level the mage is, no one at this tech level should be able to shred armor like that. Sure, you dont agree with Laz's tactics. But can you at least concede one freakin point?
Here is the problem. He is basically stealing every state secret I have with that post. Goa'Uld have a genetic memory IIRC and if he takes over a high level mages mind and then mass produces Goa'Uld mages.. he unbalances the game massivly in his favor.

I have NO TECHNOLOGY MARE ADVANCED THAN GUNPOWDER. He is basically taking the one edge I have, and then augmenting it with his own tech level.
STFU and read the aggreement I just made, the mage's resisting distroys most of his memory, I get only a few scraps.

That would be acceptable.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-26 06:56pm

What, for your own newly advanced Goa'Uld troops? Fuck you.

(I hate being at school while all of this is being discussed, I miss half the thread)

Go ahead, try to learn something, Once he doesnt show up at the barracks in oh say... 5 minutes, diviners will scry on his location.

problem solved

I call Bullshit. The ability to know where any person is at any time is so fucking godmoding. What's to stop you from using that to track any ship you see.

What, for your own newly advanced Goa'Uld troops? Fuck you.

Watch SG-1 dammit, they are just slightly less stupid Jaafa.

And knowing the very very basics of how DnD magic works DOES NOT LET ME CAST SPELLS.

I don't see why the arguing continues. The result is that a relatively unimportant mage (an unnamed mage) is dead and Laz's race has learned the rules that govern the DND Mage class, and now Aly has a stronger defense grid. This is not worth bickering over. Let's just call this a "no harm no foul" or else this will really drag the game down. Tactics on both sides were a bit questionable, and no one will do it again. Ok?

Come on, people.

I've alllready aggreed. The reason it goes on is because Aly is a little fuck who holds grudges. Nuff said.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-26 06:57pm

lazerus wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Darksider wrote:This whole discussion has me seriously worried.

Alyrium, if we ever get into a ground war, are you going to pull shit like

::::::My uber 1337 mage of doom shrugs off your puny weaponz fire and casts 10,000 uber spells of 1337 death that wipes out your whole army MUA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ::::::::::?
I would never do that, I have quantified the abilities of my grunts. But he took someone who amounts to an officer out of my territory when i have 1/7th of my fleet in system. YHe did so with complete immunity.

I will note that Laz has powergamed in every D&D game we have played in, we have had to kill off and remake him what qwas it... 4-5 times in one campaign...

Uh.......read the thread. He DID detect that. It's just that as long as I cloak quickly, and leave even quicker, he can't really act on that info.
You realize that we have astropath that detect cloaked ships right? Hell that is B5 tech level.
Oh yeah, sensors that can detect cloaks instantly ISN'T powergaming. I see now.

It is within the tech level DS9>Babylon 5. Detecting the minds of a ships crew would alert the vessel in question to a cloaked vessel, maybe not its location, but its presence.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-26 06:58pm

The ability to know where any person is at any time is so fucking godmoding.

DS9 tech level. Call up the computer, know where any crewman is at any given moment. Its well within Trek capabilities.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-26 06:58pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
lazerus wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote: I would never do that, I have quantified the abilities of my grunts. But he took someone who amounts to an officer out of my territory when i have 1/7th of my fleet in system. YHe did so with complete immunity.

I will note that Laz has powergamed in every D&D game we have played in, we have had to kill off and remake him what qwas it... 4-5 times in one campaign...
You realize that we have astropath that detect cloaked ships right? Hell that is B5 tech level.
Oh yeah, sensors that can detect cloaks instantly ISN'T powergaming. I see now.
It is within the tech level DS9>Babylon 5. Detecting the minds of a ships crew would alert the vessel in question to a cloaked vessel, maybe not its location, but its presence.

1) It's still powergaming.
2) That does not matter, you knew a ship was there when I exited hyperspace. All the cloak did was keep me from getting shot long enough to grab and run.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-26 06:58pm

I call Bullshit. The ability to know where any person is at any time is so fucking godmoding. What's to stop you from using that to track any ship you see.

You dont get it do you... tracking one of your own troops is far easier than tracking someone you dont know. Consider it like a transponder tag.

Hell, we can track our own shit now. We know exactly where our mars landers are for example.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-26 06:59pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
I call Bullshit. The ability to know where any person is at any time is so fucking godmoding. What's to stop you from using that to track any ship you see.
You dont get it do you... tracking one of your own troops is far easier than tracking someone you dont know. Consider it like a transponder tag.

A transponder tag that cannot be blocked, sheilded, or removed. I still call bullshit.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-04-26 07:00pm

No this continues because I refuse to allow Laz the ability to sneak around anywhere he likes and pull off anything he likes while there.

The Mage is a military officer, it makes sense that when he turns up U.A that they scry for him.

This is the second time Laz has snuck into a highly militarized zone and done stupid shit. It's powergaming.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-26 07:01pm

lazerus wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
I call Bullshit. The ability to know where any person is at any time is so fucking godmoding. What's to stop you from using that to track any ship you see.
You dont get it do you... tracking one of your own troops is far easier than tracking someone you dont know. Consider it like a transponder tag.
A transponder tag that cannot be blocked, sheilded, or removed. I still call bullshit.

You never stated that you did.

Besides, it isnt as if I casn easily block your transponder tags. It is a two way street.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-26 07:02pm

frigidmagi wrote:No this continues because I refuse to allow Laz the ability to sneak around anywhere he likes and pull off anything he likes while there.

The Mage is a military officer, it makes sense that when he turns up U.A that they scry for him.

This is the second time Laz has snuck into a highly militarized zone and done stupid shit. It's powergaming.

STFU.

The ability to instantly know where any of your officers are, that cannot be blocked is godmoding.

I CAN'T sneak around anywhere because once you know a vessil is there is's only a matter of time before you find it, it's just that the time is greater then twenty seconds FOR A SPECIALLY BUILT STEALTH SHIP. Am I going too fast for you?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-26 07:02pm

frigidmagi wrote:No this continues because I refuse to allow Laz the ability to sneak around anywhere he likes and pull off anything he likes while there.

The Mage is a military officer, it makes sense that when he turns up U.A that they scry for him.

This is the second time Laz has snuck into a highly militarized zone and done stupid shit. It's powergaming.

Agreed. And he WILL keep doing it. Read the Forgoten realsm game and see how many characters he went through because of his powergaming crap. He killed him off so many times...

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-26 07:03pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
The ability to know where any person is at any time is so fucking godmoding.
DS9 tech level. Call up the computer, know where any crewman is at any given moment. Its well within Trek capabilities.

Can the DS9 computer tell you where their prison cell is if they have been kidnapped by romulans and then strip searched?

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-26 07:04pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
frigidmagi wrote:No this continues because I refuse to allow Laz the ability to sneak around anywhere he likes and pull off anything he likes while there.

The Mage is a military officer, it makes sense that when he turns up U.A that they scry for him.

This is the second time Laz has snuck into a highly militarized zone and done stupid shit. It's powergaming.
Agreed. And he WILL keep doing it. Read the Forgoten realsm game and see how many characters he went through because of his powergaming crap. He killed him off so many times...

Old grudges Aly, keep them out of this game.

Jeebus, you must hold some kina grudge to mention somthing that happend awhile ago in ANOTHER GAME.

And the mod has ruled in my favor, deal with it.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-04-26 07:07pm

DS9
Sisko "Computer locate Lt. Commander Dax."
Bab5
Sinclair "Computer Locate Commander Ivanva"

Funny everyone seems able to do it! Using Divining magics to find people is old shit in D&D. Tagging officers for easy locating is old shit in Sci Fi. Get over it. You can't block it BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT MAGIC TO BLOCK IT!

So now you have the almighty sleath ship? NO. The cloak in DS9 is the tool of uber sneakiness you are painting it to be.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-26 07:09pm

20 seconds in system? Seems a little inconsistent with earlier posts, doesn't it? In the first version, you hung around and scanned for magic (with what sort of scanners, I know not). In the second version of your story you had a spy on the ground knock out the mage and beam up with the body. Again, this requires you to either scan or be in communications contact with the spy or both. None of your posts have indicated that you jumped to hyperspace as soon as the mage was on board; instead you've always tried to attach the symbiont first. All this takes more than 20 seconds. You're just pulling an outrageously short amount of time out of your ass in order to make our attempts to counter look more outrageous, but when you think about what you're trying to do in all of those 20 seconds, things begin to look fishy.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-26 07:09pm

frigidmagi wrote:DS9
Sisko "Computer locate Lt. Commander Dax."
Bab5
Sinclair "Computer Locate Commander Ivanva"

Funny everyone seems able to do it! Using Divining magics to find people is old shit in D&D. Tagging officers for easy locating is old shit in Sci Fi. Get over it. You can't block it BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT MAGIC TO BLOCK IT!

So now you have the almighty sleath ship? NO. The cloak in DS9 is the tool of uber sneakiness you are painting it to be.

You can stop the computer by, oh, you know, TAKING THEM TO ANOTHER FUCKING STARSYSTEM.

Not so with his divinig.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-26 07:11pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
lazerus wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote: Here is the problem. He is basically stealing every state secret I have with that post. Goa'Uld have a genetic memory IIRC and if he takes over a high level mages mind and then mass produces Goa'Uld mages.. he unbalances the game massivly in his favor.

I have NO TECHNOLOGY MARE ADVANCED THAN GUNPOWDER. He is basically taking the one edge I have, and then augmenting it with his own tech level.
STFU and read the aggreement I just made, the mage's resisting distroys most of his memory, I get only a few scraps.
THAT'S WHAT I ALLREADY AGGREED TO. READ THE DAMN OOC THREAD.

ok, if that is accecbale. This subject is closed.

That would be acceptable.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-26 07:12pm

It would be acceptable if you got away with the mage. What happens with the orbiting warships is an entirely different matter.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-26 07:13pm

Rogue 9 wrote:20 seconds in system? Seems a little inconsistent with earlier posts, doesn't it? In the first version, you hung around and scanned for magic (with what sort of scanners, I know not). In the second version of your story you had a spy on the ground knock out the mage and beam up with the body. Again, this requires you to either scan or be in communications contact with the spy or both. None of your posts have indicated that you jumped to hyperspace as soon as the mage was on board; instead you've always tried to attach the symbiont first. All this takes more than 20 seconds. You're just pulling an outrageously short amount of time out of your ass in order to make our attempts to counter look more outrageous, but when you think about what you're trying to do in all of those 20 seconds, things begin to look fishy.

Shut up and think. You can impant the symbote while in hyperspace.

The scanning thing was a mistake, so active scanners won't give me away. A passive scan will still pick up a surfase transmission.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-26 07:15pm

lazerus wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
frigidmagi wrote:No this continues because I refuse to allow Laz the ability to sneak around anywhere he likes and pull off anything he likes while there.

The Mage is a military officer, it makes sense that when he turns up U.A that they scry for him.

This is the second time Laz has snuck into a highly militarized zone and done stupid shit. It's powergaming.
Agreed. And he WILL keep doing it. Read the Forgoten realsm game and see how many characters he went through because of his powergaming crap. He killed him off so many times...
Old grudges Aly, keep them out of this game.

Jeebus, you must hold some kina grudge to mention somthing that happend awhile ago in ANOTHER GAME.

And the mod has ruled in my favor, deal with it.

I am just letting them know what they can expect from you.
And dont expect my government to sit on its ass. They may not be able to get a location.. but they can see what is around him, that means they can see the Sarcophagus, and tell there is a creature inside him that is trying to take over the CNS...

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-04-26 07:16pm

A computer would be damn quick to note that officer so and so left the system without orders. Militaries taking a dim view of desertion and such you know. It's possible to me that if a power has FTL com that computers could look for an officer in several different planets in a short amount of time.

As for the divining, magic is suppose to break the laws of phyisics much like your cloak and 20 second kidnapping run!