Hammtramck, MI to allow muslim prayer calls

[Alyeska]

I especialy liked reading this.

“He’s not my true God,” Golen said. “I can’t stay locked in my house with cotton in my ears every time they do it.”

Thats the best argument she can come up with? She is basicaly attempting to deny religion to other people because she believes their religion is wrong.

[Rogue 9]

I especialy liked reading this.

“He’s not my true God,” Golen said. “I can’t stay locked in my house with cotton in my ears every time they do it.”

Thats the best argument she can come up with? She is basicaly attempting to deny religion to other people because she believes their religion is wrong.

That's what I said. Very thin ice she's walking on with that. Could come around to bite her in the ass someday.

[Darth Wong]

Have you ever lived near a church which actually rang bells? It's fucking annoying, it's intrusive, and it's noise pollution. It's far louder than passing traffic, and when I used to work nightshift the fucking bells used to wake me up during the day.

It's just plain noise pollution, and it's as inconsiderate as some fucker blaring Twisted Sister on huge concert-sized loudspeakers in the street on a Sunday afternoon. I listen to my music in the privacy of my home, and they can keep their goddamned prayer calls to themselves.

The problem here is that if you're going to allow one religion to shit all over noise ordinances, you have to allow them all.

[Rogue 9]

I live two blocks from the aforementioned church. I only notice the bells when I'm listening for them now.

[Darth Wong]

I live two blocks from the aforementioned church. I only notice the bells when I'm listening for them now.

Two blocks is a long fucking distance. I lived across the street from a church. I could not sleep, and when I told them that they were disrupting my sleep, they told me to go to the city council and complain.

If the noise ordinances specified two blocks as the radius below which noise disruption was acceptable, it would be legal to run around blaring concert-sized loudspeakers in residential neighbourhoods.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Personally, if it were up to me, i'd just let them play their speakers.

It's annoying? So what...i find many things my neighbors do LOUDLY annoy me, never do i tell people they cant to do them because i dont like it. It's loud? Have you ever heard 50 Cent's In The Club at 2:00AM driving by your window...trust me, compaed to that this stuff would be a symphony.

In my humble opinion, just let it go. Even if its annoying, surely it's not going to kill anyone.

[Darth Wong]

Personally, if it were up to me, i'd just let them play their speakers.

It's annoying? So what...i find many things my neighbors do LOUDLY annoy me, never do i tell people they cant to do them because i dont like it. It's loud? Have you ever heard 50 Cent's In The Club at 2:00AM driving by your window...trust me, compaed to that this stuff would be a symphony.

And that would violate noise bylaws. The fact that you can't catch and prosecute the rappawannabe fucker in the ricecar at 2 in the morning doesn't change that.

In my humble opinion, just let it go. Even if its annoying, surely it's not going to kill anyone.

I wasn't aware that "it's not going to kill anyone" is a catchall excuse to ignore regulations.

[Sarevok]

I wonder in how many muslim majority areas that churches are allowed
to ring their bells across the middle east

I dont know. I never heard church bells ringing in my country.

That said I think azan should be allowed in the west. India is hindu majority country yet they allow muslims broadcast azan five times a day.

[Howedar]

I don't think that church bells are designed to be audible over the entire town (anymore, certainly that was the goal once). On the other hand, this Islamic Super-Speaker system is supposed to be audible everywhere: if it was not, it would not serve its purpose.

So I guess the question is what radius of noise is allowable. If two blocks is okay, is an entire town acceptable?

[BoredShirtless]

Have you ever lived near a church which actually rang bells?

I live about 30 metres away from one.

It's fucking annoying,

Says you. I like the melodies they play on their different bells.

it's intrusive, and it's noise pollution.

So is office chatter. But people adapt.

It's far louder than passing traffic, and when I used to work nightshift the fucking bells used to wake me up during the day.

You never adapted? The church next to my flats go crazy at 9am on Sundays. They used to wake me up, no matter how late a night I had on Saturday, all the time in my first month here, but now, I sleep through them. I'm pretty sure most people adapt to church bells too.

Who am I to rock up to my Church, and bitch about their bells? The Church was there first, and it caters for many people, while I am just one person. If the bells still bothered me after I tried adapting, I'd move.

The problem here is that if you're going to allow one religion to shit all over noise ordinances, you have to allow them all.

Fine, let them. Bells don't bother most people [in the long run], and I'm sure Muslim pray calls wouldn't bother most people either.

[Sarevok]

I don't think that church bells are designed to be audible over the entire town (anymore, certainly that was the goal once). On the other hand, this Islamic Super-Speaker system is supposed to be audible everywhere: if it was not, it would not serve its purpose.

So I guess the question is what radius of noise is allowable. If two blocks is okay, is an entire town acceptable?

In my country mosques use large mikes to broadcast azan. It is audible over a large distance. Infact in muslim countries almost all houses are covered by mosque loudspeakers.

[Darth Wong]

Says you. I like the melodies they play on their different bells.

Irrelevant subjective bullshit. The point is that they violate noise ordinances.

it's intrusive, and it's noise pollution.

So is office chatter. But people adapt.

Office chatter doesn't wake me up in my own house, moron.

It's far louder than passing traffic, and when I used to work nightshift the fucking bells used to wake me up during the day.

You never adapted?

I shouldn't fucking have to. If I went around playing "Number of the Beast" on concert-sized loudspeakers in public streets people would refuse to "adapt", and would rightfully cite me for shitting on noise ordinances.

[BoredShirtless]

Says you. I like the melodies they play on their different bells.

Irrelevant subjective bullshit. The point is that they violate noise ordinances.

If church bells violated noise ordinances, they'd be banned. The obvious point is that it's noise pollution.

it's intrusive, and it's noise pollution.

So is office chatter. But people adapt.

Office chatter doesn't wake me up in my own house, moron.

No shit. The point is this; if you can't adapt to church bells, either get enough people with you and complain about them to your council, or move. Assuming the Church was there first, it's YOU who has to adapt, change the status quo through majority complaining, or move. I know you did complain, but you should have known that a complaint from just you, and especially to the Church, would have fallen on deaf ears.

It's far louder than passing traffic, and when I used to work nightshift the fucking bells used to wake me up during the day.

You never adapted?

I shouldn't fucking have to.

If the Church was there first, and isn't violating noise ordinances, then sorry, but you do. Or move. Or complain effectively.

If I went around playing "Number of the Beast" on concert-sized loudspeakers in public streets people would refuse to "adapt", and would rightfully cite me for shitting on noise ordinances.

Right, mainly because you're only doing it for yourself. Church bells and calls to pray serve many people.

[BoredShirtless]

Then again, even if you where there first, you'd still have to either adapt, move or complain if the council goes ahead and gives permission to the church that it can ring its bells. Good luck though beating the church if you don't have a majority of residents standing with you.