Neverwinter Nights. With Guns.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2004-04-27 02:12pm

BANG

If you ever liked the idea of NWN, but didn't want all those silly elves, dwarves, and magic swords making a mess of the place, you want what they want.

And they want it so bad they're making it.

D20 Modern TC for NWN. BANG

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-04-27 02:32pm

Hope they have more realistic protitutes, the ones in stock NWN are arrogant, self-rightous pricks.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2004-04-27 07:11pm

I blame Hasbro.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-04-27 07:31pm

Dice based PC RPGs. Fuck the industry is stupid. Not a mathematician or modeller in the whole industry.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-04-27 09:56pm

Oooh....I'm going to have to add them to my favorites for when a final version and modules start coming out. That was one thing I wanted from the beginning was a modern expansion for NWN.

Sr.mal · Post by **Sr.mal** » 2004-04-28 03:06am

Meh. Ill take my L5r D10 any day over a d20 game. God I love AEG's D10 system.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-04-29 02:00am

Sr.mal wrote:Meh. Ill take my L5r D10 any day over a d20 game. God I love AEG's D10 system.

I'd take a proper mathematically modelled system over a PC implementation of a pen-and-paper monstrosity any day. Systems without sharp cutoffs, real-time curves, without cutting out accuracy to reduce paperwork... it's lame that they just port standard RPG code, when they've got all the housekeeping and processing power they need.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-04-29 03:58am

Oh my, programmers making games that RPG people would like, what has the world come to

wonder what's next, a game that simulates Chess or card games, with random cards numbered from 1 to 13 and four suits, instead of an infinite range of random numbers that can give a much better curve of probability

:roll::roll::roll::roll:

:roll:

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-04-29 06:27am

Slartibartfast wrote:Oh my, programmers making games that RPG people would like, what has the world come to wonder what's next, a game that simulates Chess or card games, with random cards numbered from 1 to 13 and four suits, instead of an infinite range of random numbers that can give a much better curve of probability

:roll::roll::roll::roll:
:roll:

Lol RPG players like them... and thats it. Way to grow the market

'Innovation' and 'progress' unheard of, excellent!!

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2004-04-29 01:24pm

The trouble with a complex mathematically modelled system is that the players won't have the kind of instant understanding of it that they need in order to make decisions about what their character can attempt or not attempt, what their alternatives are, and how to progress the character.

This is why people are daunted by Rolemaster, and the five hundred billion stats and variables it requires, even though the actual dice rolling boils down to something quite simple. People take one look and go "no, I can't be fucked, I'll play something else"

RPG systems work best when their probability curves can be worked out in the brain of the average high school student with too much Mountain Dew inside them or the average university student with too much beer inside them..

A system like D20 might not be anal enough for you, but people who use it can easily gauge their character's abilities, assess their options, and choose their course of action, all without either dying because the computer controlled monsters don't have to sit and work all the probability curves out, or pissing off everyone they're playing with by spending ten minutes agonizing whether to try and pick the lock or pickpocket the guard for a key

The best computer RPG systems are the ones that simplify things like that, not make it all complex for the sake of 'realism' at the expense of immediacy.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-29 01:26pm

Sr.mal wrote:Meh. Ill take my L5r D10 any day over a d20 game. God I love AEG's D10 system.

BLASPHEMY! d20 owns you!

Sr.mal · Post by **Sr.mal** » 2004-04-29 02:02pm

L5r d20 is shit compared to the d10 version. The d20 is just DnD with different names.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-29 02:09pm

Sr.mal wrote:L5r d20 is shit compared to the d10 version. The d20 is just DnD with different names.

Bullshit. Star Wars d20 is completely different; the only thing it shares is the types of dice you need.

Sr.mal · Post by **Sr.mal** » 2004-04-29 03:40pm

I'm not refering to Star Wars d20, I own that book I know. I am refering to the Rokugan D20 which is identical to DND d20.

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2004-04-29 03:52pm

Vendetta wrote:The trouble with a complex mathematically modelled system is that the players won't have the kind of instant understanding of it that they need in order to make decisions about what their character can attempt or not attempt, what their alternatives are, and how to progress the character.

There's still the possibility of systems that are easy to understand but hard to calculate. Take my friend Toh's exponential system. Your probability of suceeding at any task is e^-x, where x is the difficulty. You get nice smooth curves with no cutoff, and you never get the normal Dfoo problem where something that is difficulty foo+1 is just as hard to do as something of difficulty foo. The system is easy enough mathmatically, at least for those of us who can figure probabilities in normal RPGs, but its a bit combursome for a kitchen table.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-04-29 05:08pm

Stark wrote:Lol RPG players like them... and thats it.

OMG! Not only RPG players like them, but they had the nerve to call them RPGs! I tell you, one of these days, bang! straight to the moon!

Way to grow the market 'Innovation' and 'progress' unheard of, excellent!!

Of course! Because the way to grow the market is to change everything we know, instead of adding more variety! Yeah, we should completely erase 1st person shooters and RPG games and puzzle and card games, and make games about calculating the probability curve of the mating habits of the African elephant! Now THAT's innovation and progress.

(roll eyes emoticons donated by the Department of Studies of the Anal Retentive)