STGOD 4 OOC Thread

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:04pm

Straha wrote:How so, Laz? I already established that I had a sizable spec-ops team on the planet keeping tabs on things, you can't get away with messing with serious infrastructure without a group of people noticing, and that was a spec ops team catching your team with your pants down.

Also, goa'ould symbotes protect them from just about all poisions so your tranks would have the effet to annoy them before they shoot you. Finally most would have the small personal sheild emitters that, while not all that great, would protect them long enough to return fire.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:04pm

Straha wrote:
lazerus wrote:
Straha wrote:How so, Laz? I already established that I had a sizable spec-ops team on the planet keeping tabs on things, you can't get away with messing with serious infrastructure without a group of people noticing, and that was a spec ops team catching your team with your pants down.
the hell it was, taking down a few small, local doctors is not attacking major infrastructure. Goa'ould agents would always throughtly scout before entireing, and you can't guard every minor doctor in the whole city.
Who says I have to? Wait at a couple doctors, and wait for you to show up at one of them. Spec ops teams wouldn't be worth it if you could spot them with scouts. Then when you go in, they wait and catch you with your pants down, say bye bye to this little operation of yours.

See my above post, fine, you catch us off guard. We gonna kick yo ass now.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-04-27 10:05pm

Thirdfain wrote:Straha, you would have a better chance of recognizing the Goa'uld agents than the Ousters. Certainly, you'd be able to tell that there are agents from an off-planet power at work, but pinpointing them as Ousters would be neigh impossible without successfully capturing one live and interrogating him.her

Rightio sorry about that, I'll change the post later to say as such.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:06pm

Look, if you want to catch us fine, but give the armed/armored to the teeth black ops agents a CHANCE to avoid capture.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-04-27 10:07pm

lazerus wrote:
Straha wrote:
lazerus wrote: the hell it was, taking down a few small, local doctors is not attacking major infrastructure. Goa'ould agents would always throughtly scout before entireing, and you can't guard every minor doctor in the whole city.
Who says I have to? Wait at a couple doctors, and wait for you to show up at one of them. Spec ops teams wouldn't be worth it if you could spot them with scouts. Then when you go in, they wait and catch you with your pants down, say bye bye to this little operation of yours.
See my above post, fine, you catch us off guard. We gonna kick yo ass now.

Wait, wait, wait... wait, you seem to be implying two things. Firstly that your operation would be unnoticable, which is blantantly wrong, and secondly that this group of agents would be able to beat an Army Spec ops force when it is ambushed, and performing another burdensome task, again wrong. Suck it up Laz, I caught you.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-04-27 10:08pm

lazerus wrote:Look, if you want to catch us fine, but give the armed/armored to the teeth black ops agents a CHANCE to avoid capture.

How about this, I missed a couple of your agents in the office because I had such a rushed job and wasn't able to check to see if operatives weren't in back rooms, or they pretended to be victims?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-04-27 10:09pm

Laz, black ops troops aren't supposed to engage in frantic firefights. They are assassins, rabble-rousers, and theives- not SWAT team members. Army Special Forces will almost certainly take them out.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:09pm

Straha wrote:
lazerus wrote:
Straha wrote: Who says I have to? Wait at a couple doctors, and wait for you to show up at one of them. Spec ops teams wouldn't be worth it if you could spot them with scouts. Then when you go in, they wait and catch you with your pants down, say bye bye to this little operation of yours.
See my above post, fine, you catch us off guard. We gonna kick yo ass now.
Wait, wait, wait... wait, you seem to be implying two things. Firstly that your operation would be unnoticable, which is blantantly wrong, and secondly that this group of agents would be able to beat an Army Spec ops force when it is ambushed, and performing another burdensome task, again wrong. Suck it up Laz, I caught you.

No, our tech caused you to loose your advantage because you didn't know what to expect. You come in with guns blazing, the Goa'ould personal forcefields deflect everything but the slow-moving darts that we are immune to. We then open fire.

You still have a chance to win, but in a FIREFIGHT. Not an easy ambush.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:10pm

Straha wrote:
lazerus wrote:Look, if you want to catch us fine, but give the armed/armored to the teeth black ops agents a CHANCE to avoid capture.
How about this, I missed a couple of your agents in the office because I had such a rushed job and wasn't able to check to see if operatives weren't in back rooms, or they pretended to be victims?

I don't care about loosing agents when I have dozens, I care about being implicated in this.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:10pm

Thirdfain wrote:Laz, black ops troops aren't supposed to engage in frantic firefights. They are assassins, rabble-rousers, and theives- not SWAT team members. Army Special Forces will almost certainly take them out.

Not when army special ops came in with the wrong equipment.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-04-27 10:12pm

Not when army special ops came in with the wrong equipment.

I don't care what species you are, when it comes to killing people in a firefight, assault rifles are ALWAYS the right equipment.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:14pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Not when army special ops came in with the wrong equipment.
I don't care what species you are, when it comes to killing people in a firefight, assault rifles are ALWAYS the right equipment.

Yeah, tell that to SG-1 that got their asses kicked by ONE goa'ould when they came to a forcefield fight with assult rifles.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:15pm

Also, it's not a total loss, the forcefield technology points to Goa'ould, it is pretty easy to recognize. It's just nothing you can PROVE.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-04-27 10:15pm

Ok, Lazerus- these aren't 20th century assault rifles. These are 25th century weapons. Maybe they fire self-propelled mini-RPGs. Maybe they are Xasers, or EM coilguns firing hundreds of hypervelocity explosive flechettes.

I don't think there's a place in this STGOD for easily concealable shielding devices capable of stopping a military-grade assault rifle burst at short range.

You are going to have a couple of operatives killed.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-04-27 10:16pm

lazerus wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:
Not when army special ops came in with the wrong equipment.
I don't care what species you are, when it comes to killing people in a firefight, assault rifles are ALWAYS the right equipment.
Yeah, tell that to SG-1 that got their asses kicked by ONE goa'ould when they came to a forcefield fight with assult rifles.

Lazerus, in SG-1 their is a technology disparity, here technology is uneven IN MY FAVOR.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:17pm

Thirdfain wrote:Ok, Lazerus- these aren't 20th century assault rifles. These are 25th century weapons. Maybe they fire self-propelled mini-RPGs. Maybe they are Xasers, or EM coilguns firing hundreds of hypervelocity explosive flechettes.

I don't think there's a place in this STGOD for easily concealable shielding devices capable of stopping a military-grade assault rifle burst at short range.

You are going to have a couple of operatives killed.

Fine, but at least let me give them suicide packs.

Lazerus, in SG-1 their is a technology disparity, here technology is uneven IN MY FAVOR.

The forcefields still protect me somewhat.........but fine. I'll edit my post, but it's still not that easy for you.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-04-27 10:17pm

True dat, monacorans make the best infantry weapons in game.

... Though I'd hazard saying that Ousters make superior zero-g usage personal weapons...

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:19pm

Post edited, you know i'm here, and your going to find me sooner of later, but you don't have a corpse you can point to and shout "TIME TO GO TO WAR"

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-27 10:21pm

but I do. A sword moves slow enough to get through the shield.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:21pm

Arg! Aly too!

MY AGENTS WILL NOT ATTACK ANY FACILITY THAT HAS ANY DEFENCES WHATSOEVER. AFTER STRAHTA, THEY WILL NOT ATTACK ANYONE PEROID.

So you CANNOT get them at the offices, subject closed!

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-04-27 10:22pm

Read my posts with Marcao. I had a shield, too. It was taken out by one glancing blow from a high-power energy bolt, a flying vase, and a flying chair. Kept me alive an extra couple seconds, but not invincible. I figure that the amount of damage needed to take out my personal shield is about equal to a second or two of assault rifle fire.

Also, dont make the same mistake Aly did. His mages are good, but they are just as powerful as any of our guys. +10 rice rolls mean nothing in STGOD. Same thing with your SG-1 references. Just cuz you saw some trick pulled on TV where one agent takes out an entire assault force, you cant say "oh, yeah, we got that," and try to do the same. Not cool.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:22pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:but I do

The hell you do, the goa'ould stopped their attacks the SECOND strahta almost caught one.

++aly, log on to AIM++

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-04-27 10:22pm

lazerus wrote:Post edited, you know i'm here, and your going to find me sooner of later, but you don't have a corpse you can point to and shout "TIME TO GO TO WAR"

Wait, we burst in, and we only get ONE man who dies on contact? Hell no! I don't care how well trained your Black Ops team is, if we bust in on your ass we're taking more then one of you down.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-04-27 10:22pm

lazerus wrote:Arg! Aly too!

MY AGENTS WILL NOT ATTACK ANY FACILITY THAT HAS ANY DEFENCES WHATSOEVER. AFTER STRAHTA, THEY WILL NOT ATTACK ANYONE PEROID.

So you CANNOT get them at the offices, subject closed!

You wouldnt know going into it if there are cloaked assassins waiting for you.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-04-27 10:23pm

Straha wrote:
lazerus wrote:Post edited, you know i'm here, and your going to find me sooner of later, but you don't have a corpse you can point to and shout "TIME TO GO TO WAR"
Wait, we burst in, and we only get ONE man who dies on contact? Hell no! I don't care how well trained your Black Ops team is, if we bust in on your ass we're taking more then one of you down.

It's hard to take people with BOMBS strapped to themselves that BLOW UP with a thought!