[Imperium²] Man VS Beast

[Laird]

Most animals with natural virtues>humans.

Thats why humans need tools/weapons, I'd only fight the dog if I had no other choice.

[Imperium²]

Yes, yes...uh huh...uh huh...I see what you are saying. Nitpicking once again.

[Darth Wong]

Serioulsy, it seems to me that there are a lot of people who are afraid of animals and would rather run that fight off a dog or some other wild animal. Granted, some animals are too big (tigers, lions, buffalo etc) but wouldn't you have to agree that a 150 lbs man (fairly fit) could open a can of whoop ass on a 80-100 pound dog? Do people inherently believe they are weaker? Do they not want to get hurt? What I say!?

People are smart enough to know not to tangle with an animal that has vastly superior speed and ferocity compared to a human. The fact that certain people can do it does not mean that people in general are capable of doing it. There are people out there who can lift nine hundred fucking pounds off the ground in a strict deadlift; this does not mean that humans can generally do this. Using world-famous animal handlers as proof that humans are not generally inferior close-quarters combatants to animals is simply absurd.

[Imperium²]

People are smart enough to know not to tangle with an animal that has vastly superior speed and ferocity compared to a human. The fact that certain people can do it does not mean that people in general are capable of doing it. There are people out there who can lift nine hundred fucking pounds off the ground in a strict deadlift; this does not mean that humans can generally do this. Using world-famous animal handlers as proof that humans are not generally inferior close-quarters combatants to animals is simply absurd.

Bah, you make is sound like human beings couldn't take an animal. I whooped my ex's dog when I had too and I am not a superhuman either. All I am saying is people need to give themsevles more credit where it is due. Will you get hurt? Yeah, but I am willing to bet it is more possible than people think. I am not saying all animals and I am mostly focusing on dogs since what is what most people will run into on a daily basis.

[Darth Wong]

Bah, you make is sound like human beings couldn't take an animal. I whooped my ex's dog when I had too and I am not a superhuman either.

Hasty generalization. Most violent encounters between truly vicious dogs and humans result in very badly injured humans.

All I am saying is people need to give themsevles more credit where it is due. Will you get hurt? Yeah, but I am willing to bet it is more possible than people think. I am not saying all animals and I am mostly focusing on dogs since what is what most people will run into on a daily basis.

So do you have any non-anecdotal evidence that the average human will take the average attack dog?

[Imperium²]

Hasty generalization. Most violent encounters between truly vicious dogs and humans result in very badly injured humans.

"Truly vicious dogs"? Like what? Pit, Rot, Shepphard? There are more kinds of dogs than that in the world you know. People can stand their own most of the time if they bothered.

So do you have any non-anecdotal evidence that the average human will take the average attack dog?

Average attack dog? No. Typical yard dogs. If you want to talk about attack dogs, then I would suggest taking your average trained person in a fighting technique. Unless of course you call your typical neighbors mutt an "attack dog."-- which are usually Chiuaua's.

[Darth Wong]

Average attack dog? No. Typical yard dogs.

Oh come on, the typical yard dog is conditioned by both breeding and experience to be subservient to humans, for fuck's sake.

If you want to talk about attack dogs, then I would suggest taking your average trained person in a fighting technique.

False analogy, since an attack dog does not need any training in fighting technique; he only needs to be convinced to attack humans on cue, which dogs do not do by nature.

[aerius]

Since you seem to have some retention problems, I'm gonna do this again.

Granted, some animals are too big (tigers, lions, buffalo etc) but wouldn't you have to agree that a 150 lbs man (fairly fit) could open a can of whoop ass on a 80-100 pound dog?

if you kept a level head and were fairly fit, I bet you could kick practically any dogs ass.

I think people are just pussies and are afraid of getting hurt. I am not saying that you wouldnt get bit or scratched but for christs sake people!

"Truly vicious dogs"? Like what? Pit, Rot, Shepphard? There are more kinds of dogs than that in the world you know. People can stand their own most of the time if they bothered.

Average attack dog? No. Typical yard dogs. If you want to talk about attack dogs, then I would suggest taking your average trained person in a fighting technique. Unless of course you call your typical neighbors mutt an "attack dog."-- which are usually Chiuaua's.

You've gone from saying a human can take on any dog to saying he can take on a typical dog, which you then define to be a mutt or a fucking Chihuahua. So once again, are you backpedaling & making false analogies or are you a fucking whack-a-loon?

[Darth Wong]

It's pretty obvious what's going on when you read between the lines. He sucker-punched his girlfriend's yard dog which was probably a Lab or some other big but basically friendly animal, so now he figures he's a l33t asskicker of all dogs, and that anybody who fears attack dogs is just a pussy.

[Imperium²]

Average attack dog? No. Typical yard dogs.

Oh come on, the typical yard dog is conditioned by both breeding and experience to be subservient to humans, for fuck's sake.

You come on! Just because I tell my dog "getem boy, getem getem getem!" Does not make him an attack dog. An attack dog is IMO a dog that is trained for home defense. A dog that obeys his master like "sit", "beg", "getem!" is not an "attack dog" IMO.

If you want to talk about attack dogs, then I would suggest taking your average trained person in a fighting technique.

False analogy, since an attack dog does not need any training in fighting technique; he only needs to be convinced to attack humans on cue, which dogs do not do by nature.[/quote]

Oh spare me Michael. Many dogs in my neighborhood are "aggressive" in the sense they protect their territory and would probably "attack" other dogs or people who come near the lawn. This does not make them an "attack dog." I mean, LOL, if a dog bites a person it is all of a sudden an "attack dog"? Shit, we would all be fucking sued.

[Darth Wong]

Average attack dog? No. Typical yard dogs.

Oh come on, the typical yard dog is conditioned by both breeding and experience to be subservient to humans, for fuck's sake.

You come on! Just because I tell my dog "getem boy, getem getem getem!" Does not make him an attack dog. An attack dog is IMO a dog that is trained for home defense. A dog that obeys his master like "sit", "beg", "getem!" is not an "attack dog" IMO.

What the fuck point are you trying to make, moron? How does this in any way refute my point that you generalized about all dogs, including attack dogs, and now you're suddenly talking about docile yard dogs?

False analogy, since an attack dog does not need any training in fighting technique; he only needs to be convinced to attack humans on cue, which dogs do not do by nature.

Oh spare me Michael. Many dogs in my neighborhood are "aggressive" in the sense they protect their territory and would probably "attack" other dogs or people who come near the lawn. This does not make them an "attack dog." I mean, LOL, if a dog bites a person it is all of a sudden an "attack dog"? Shit, we would all be fucking sued.

Thank you for completely missing the point, you imbecile. I was trying to say that attack dogs need to be trained to attack humans. Most dogs only growl and snap to warn you off, because that's their instinctive behaviour. They don't actually go for the kill, dumb-shit. Dogs that have been trained to actually cut loose on humans are extremely dangerous.

[Imperium²]

so now he figures he's a l33t asskicker of all dogs, and that anybody who fears attack dogs is just a pussy.

Damn skippy, and no. You labeling a dog that attacks a person as an "attack dog" is hillarious Michael. You do realize that those damn Mexican Chuiaua's are fucking agressive. They typically latch onto one person in the household. My great uncle's bit my ankle because I was wraslin' with him...so I guess it is now an attack dog.

[Darth Wong]

Damn skippy, and no. You labeling a dog that attacks a person as an "attack dog" is hillarious Michael. You do realize that those damn Mexican Chuiaua's are fucking agressive. They typically latch onto one person in the household. My great uncle's bit my ankle because I was wraslin' with him...so I guess it is now an attack dog.

Keep evading, asshole. You talked about the average person being able to take down "practically any dog", now you're sudddenly talking about Chihuahas.

Nowhere did I say that any dog which bites is an attack dog, you moron. It's a combination of both size and aggressiveness. But the point was that you tried to equate that to some sort of elite training in fighting technique, which it most certainly is not.

[Imperium²]

What the fuck point are you trying to make, moron? How does this in any way refute my point that you generalized about all dogs, including attack dogs, and now you're suddenly talking about docile yard dogs?

Gee I don't know cocksucker. I generalize for the sake of argument you twat. Unless you want a laundry list of every single species, size, weight, training etc. I will say "dogs."

Thank you for completely missing the point, you imbecile. I was trying to say that attack dogs need to be trained to attack humans. Most dogs only growl and snap to warn you off, because that's their instinctive behaviour. They don't actually go for the kill, dumb-shit. Dogs that have been trained to actually cut loose on humans are extremely dangerous.

Your idea of an "attack dog" is training it to attack people on command. Spare me, I can do that with my dog and he is not an "attack dog."

[Darth Wong]

What the fuck point are you trying to make, moron? How does this in any way refute my point that you generalized about all dogs, including attack dogs, and now you're suddenly talking about docile yard dogs?

Gee I don't know cocksucker. I generalize for the sake of argument you twat. Unless you want a laundry list of every single species, size, weight, training etc. I will say "dogs."

Hey dumb-fuck, "practically any dog" includes vicious attack dogs. So you have to show that the average human can take a vicious attack dog, not just a fucking Chihuahua or docile yard dog, otherwise you should concede the point.

Your idea of an "attack dog" is training it to attack people on command. Spare me, I can do that with my dog and he is not an "attack dog."

No, that is PART of my idea of an attack dog. You're just too fucking stupid to realize that your ridiculous attempt to nitpick definitions of "attack dog" is completely beside the point and only makes you look evasive.

[Imperium²]

Damn skippy, and no. You labeling a dog that attacks a person as an "attack dog" is hillarious Michael. You do realize that those damn Mexican Chuiaua's are fucking agressive. They typically latch onto one person in the household. My great uncle's bit my ankle because I was wraslin' with him...so I guess it is now an attack dog.

Keep evading, asshole. You talked about the average person being able to take down "practically any dog", now you're sudddenly talking about Chihuahas.

It is all about your asinine bullshit that "an attack dog is a dog that attacks a person on cue." It pains me that you are so fucking obtuse that you need to force fallacies into the "argument." I think people can hold their own most of the time, it is as simple as that. Is that enough clarification for you? Do you want to call it backpeddaling? Go ahead, so STFU.

Nowhere did I say that any dog which bites is an attack dog, you moron. It's a combination of both size and aggressiveness. But the point was that you tried to equate that to some sort of elite training in fighting technique, which it most certainly is not.

No bitchtits, you think that a dog that "attacks a person on cue" is an attack dog.

[Darth Wong]

It is all about your asinine bullshit that "an attack dog is a dog that attacks a person on cue."

No, that is your attempt to change the subject. This thread is actually about YOUR asinine bullshit that a typical human can "kick practically any dog's ass".

It pains me that you are so fucking obtuse that you need to force fallacies into the "argument." I think people can hold their own most of the time, it is as simple as that. Is that enough clarification for you? Do you want to call it backpeddaling? Go ahead, so STFU.

Go ahead, continue to pretend that this is about the definition of the term "attack dog", thus giving you an excuse to change the subject away from your asinine claim that a typical human "can kick practically any dog's ass".

Nowhere did I say that any dog which bites is an attack dog, you moron. It's a combination of both size and aggressiveness. But the point was that you tried to equate that to some sort of elite training in fighting technique, which it most certainly is not.

No bitchtits, you think that a dog that "attacks a person on cue" is an attack dog.

No, asslicker, I said that this is the only TRAINING that it requires, you fucking moron. YOU were the one who decided to infer that training is the only component distinguishing an attack dog from a chihuahua.

[Imperium²]

Hey dumb-fuck, "practically any dog" includes vicious attack dogs. So you have to show that the average human can take a vicious attack dog, not just a fucking Chihuahua or docile yard dog, otherwise you should concede the point.

Hey there penis wrinkle...you can nitpick all the hell you want Michael. I never said "practically any dog" you fucking liar. Any quote you would pull would be an exaggerated statement. I said most of the time considering that most dogs people encounter on a FUCKING DAILY basis would be yard dogs or dogs roaming the streets. You are the fucking idiot who seemingly implies that yard dogs are "docile." Of course, you can't be that stupid to make a comment such as that, right? Better watch out, because vicious attack dogs are everywhere!

Your idea of an "attack dog" is training it to attack people on command. Spare me, I can do that with my dog and he is not an "attack dog."

No, that is PART of my idea of an attack dog. You're just too fucking stupid to realize that your ridiculous attempt to nitpick definitions of "attack dog" is completely beside the point and only makes you look evasive.[/quote]

Part, schmart. Dogs people encounter on a daily basis would not fit your sad little definition of an "attack dog."

[Imperium²]

No, that is your attempt to change the subject. This thread is actually about YOUR asinine bullshit that a typical human can "kick practically any dog's ass".

And I still hold that people can hold their own most of the time. It's not my fault you are a frail pussy Michael.

Go ahead, continue to pretend that this is about the definition of the term "attack dog", thus giving you an excuse to change the subject away from your asinine claim that a typical human "can kick practically any dog's ass".

It's your excuse to change the subject since you are the one who brought up "attack dogs."

And I still hold that people can hold their own most of the time. It's not my fault you are a frail pussy Michael.

No, asslicker, I said that this is the only TRAINING that it requires, you fucking moron. YOU were the one who decided to infer that training is the only component distinguishing an attack dog from a chihuahua.

Ppssft, you said an attack dog does not need training that he only needs to be "convinced." Therefore any dog that is "convinced" in your mind is an attack dog. Which doesn't help you since "attack dogs" are not an everyday occurence in peoples neighborhoods.

Moron.

[Darth Wong]

Hey there penis wrinkle...you can nitpick all the hell you want Michael.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

This argument is about humans vs dogs, not "is your definition of 'attack dog' sufficiently precise", dickless.

I never said "practically any dog" you fucking liar.

WRONG, ASSHOLE.

From http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 77#1044277

If you kept a level head and were fairly fit, I bet you could kick practically any dogs ass.

Nobody falsely calls me a fucking liar on my own board. You have five minutes to apologize.

Any quote you would pull would be an exaggerated statement.

Pretty hard to exaggerate a word-for-word statement that you say you never made.

I said most of the time considering that most dogs people encounter on a FUCKING DAILY basis would be yard dogs or dogs roaming the streets. You are the fucking idiot who seemingly implies that yard dogs are "docile." Of course, you can't be that stupid to make a comment such as that, right? Better watch out, because vicious attack dogs are everywhere!

More backpedaling away from "practically any dog".

No, that is PART of my idea of an attack dog. You're just too fucking stupid to realize that your ridiculous attempt to nitpick definitions of "attack dog" is completely beside the point and only makes you look evasive.

Part, schmart. Dogs people encounter on a daily basis would not fit your sad little definition of an "attack dog."

You're still harping on word definitions? Grow up, you won't convince anyone.

[Darth Wong]

And I still hold that people can hold their own most of the time. It's not my fault you are a frail pussy Michael.

Against "practically any dog?" Bullshit. It's not my fault that you're a fucking moron, dipshit.

Go ahead, continue to pretend that this is about the definition of the term "attack dog", thus giving you an excuse to change the subject away from your asinine claim that a typical human "can kick practically any dog's ass".

It's your excuse to change the subject since you are the one who brought up "attack dogs."

And that is a change from "practically any dog" ... how?

And I still hold that people can hold their own most of the time. It's not my fault you are a frail pussy Michael.

Wow, you know how to repeat insults!

No, asslicker, I said that this is the only TRAINING that it requires, you fucking moron. YOU were the one who decided to infer that training is the only component distinguishing an attack dog from a chihuahua.

Ppssft, you said an attack dog does not need training that he only needs to be "convinced."

Hey look, a fucking SEMANTICS WHORE! Yay!

Therefore any dog that is "convinced" in your mind is an attack dog. Which doesn't help you since "attack dogs" are not an everyday occurence in peoples neighborhoods.

Moron.

So you've gone from "practically any dog" to "yard dog" to "everyday occurrence"? And you still can't admit that you have been backpedaling? Pathetic.

[Ma Deuce]

An anecdodal example in my case: One of my neighbors owns a big pitbull. This dog ended up in our yard frequently, and has done such nasty things as chase our cat up a tree, or take shits in the middle of our lawn. The first time I met it, it ran after me, so I had to quickly dash indoors. The next time this dog came back, I had a pair of heavy boots and a long shovel handy. As soon as the dog (whom I had inturrpted in the middle of a shit) saw me walking toward it with the shovel, it ran off. I immediatly went to his owner's house had a little chat with him, and we havn't had any trouble with that dog since.

[Mr Bean]

My quick input
Man makes tools, tools make man better(For the most part, some are just pretty and shinny... oooh shinny)
Most animals have teeth or claws, both of which we lack(Our teeth are not made for taking down deer or similar large animals plus our bite area is kinda small)

I don't fear dogs per say, but if I get a threating one and I don't have any toys handly my default response WILL be to flee until the situation is rectified or the dog gives up

[Imperium²]

Hey there penis wrinkle...you can nitpick all the hell you want Michael.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Nitpicker.

This argument is about humans vs dogs, not "is your definition of 'attack dog' sufficiently precise", dickless.

Because you know you are wrong you ass polyp.

Nobody falsely calls me a fucking liar on my own board. You have five minutes to apologize.

So you take a quote out of context to prove a point you cumbubble? Yes, I know how to use the generic "quote out of context" excuse, without making the slightest attempt to show how the original context somehow validated my claim that I never spoke those words. What the hell have I been saying all this time? That people could hold their own most of the time. I think I clarified my point after a brief statement and how about HELL FUCKING NO YOU LIAR.

Ban me ya big gapping vagina!

Pretty hard to exaggerate a word-for-word statement that you say you never made.

If you actually paid attention afterwards moron...

More backpedaling away from "practically any dog".

Nope, not backpedaling. A mere clarification which basically concedes my original argument, although I won't admit that, but that is not good enough for you since you want to nitpick so you can *seem* right.

You're still harping on word definitions? Grow up, you won't convince anyone.

I accept your concession Oh' Mighty Lord of the Sith.

Ban me ya big gapping vagina!
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Give me the moral victory because of your pride Michael. After all, after having my ridiculous argument about any fit person kicking "practically any dog's ass" shot down in flames, all I can do is incite the board owner to ban me and then pretend that this grants me a moral victory because I'm not man enough to admit it when I'm wrong.

[Arthur_Tuxedo]

Here's your ~100 lbs dog, Imperium. Go taunt it and then let it loose and see what happens.