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The US does not need to reinstate the draft (opinion)

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Bring back the Draft....NOT

Rear Admiral (Ret.) Jim Carey wrote:I really shouldn't watch the weekend TV News Shows. I argue with the airhead commentators, most of whom seem to totally disagree with 101% of everything I've ever been taught to believe in since I first reached the age of awareness as to what was going on around me [when that happened is subject to great debate by most of my limited few liberal colleagues].

The latest looney-tunes dialogue that seems to be rearing its ugly head once again is the suggestion by some to "bring back the Draft Board -- the current system is unfair -- only the poor are in the military" -- and similar airhead baloney and "unaware hogwash."

Last I checked, the current system is called "The All Volunteer Military," with volunteer being the operative word. Which brings these questions to mind:
How is the current system unfair? Is it not "all volunteer"? Doesn't all volunteer mean that each person in every service in America's armed forces of today volunteered to join and is voluntarily serving? What's unfair about that?


The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are being fought by America's poor while the rich stay home and make money off the war? Not sure where this premise comes from, but in my experience, it's not backed up by the facts. In my own 33 years of service, I served with a broad spectrum of both troops and officers that seemed to come from every corner of America, every level of education, and every possible ethnic and religious and economic circumstance. But the two common themes I saw were that everyone was a volunteer and everyone was a patriot. Of these latter two items, there is zero doubt. So I fail to see how the media arrives at the conclusion "that only the poor are in the military"?


I just heard a talking airhead on TV tonight state "We've already got the draft -- we're extending mobilized Guardsmen and Reservists beyond their scheduled demob date and that's the same as a draft." What absolute horsepucky [although it did serve to so outrage me that I got my butt up off the couch to write this column]. The truth and the facts are that ALL Guardsmen and Reservists are ALL volunteers, and ALL of them volunteered to serve for the duration of the service they volunteered for -- including being subject to recall and the periods of recall being at the sole discretion of the Department of Defense. How in any one's mind that equates to the equivalent of the draft truly escapes me, but then I only have 33 years in uniform to back up my opinions. This particular TV commentator had NONE. Hhhhhmmmmmmmm!

So you've probably already determined that I'm not a big fan of bringing back the military draft system, and you're right -- unless the nation is in dire national security need and our nations elected leadership, elected by all of the rest of us, agrees that it's needed for national survival. But until then, in my opinion:
  • The current all volunteer military structure is serving us well. It has produced a superb fighting force that has distinguished itself every time it has been called upon to prove its mettle.
  • The quality and education levels of our armed forces today are at the highest levels in our nation's history. Why would we possibly want to change that? Don't fix it if it ain't broke.
  • Our troops who are on active duty today are there because they volunteered to be there. Our troops who are in the Guard and Reserve are there today because they volunteered to be there.
  • When you have a draft, you end up with lots of troops who are not volunteering to be in the military and DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE. Why in heavens name, unless our nation were on the brink of being over-run -- and at a time in history when we have the largest and most effective armed force of any nation and are the only Super Power on the planet -- why would anyone even think there is a need for a return to the military draft?

It seems to me that the problem is NOT a need to force our fellow citizens who do not want to be in the military to be there. Rather, I've watched frustrated over the last 10-15 years as there's been a constant drumbeat of pressure by both Republican and Democrat Administrations and by both Democrat and Republican Members of Congress to cut the size of the Armed Forces, to cut the numbers in the Guard and Reserve. In fact, I've watched over the years as we've sent good troops home that wanted to continue to serve -- they went home because the force was being cut, not because they wanted to leave military service.

We've proven over the years that even in the all-volunteer force, we can recruit and train and retain sufficient numbers to meet almost any end-strength that our nation has set for us other than all-out World War. Indeed, we're doing so now, in spite of active wars in at least two nations and troops deployed in another 35-40 foreign nations during any given month.

So please Congress -- PLEASE -- do NOT bring back the draft. It's not needed and our experience with the all volunteer force has proven time and again that we're better off without having to use the draft except in national emergency. If you feel we need more troops, the draft is NOT the answer -- and in fact the answer is MUCH easier and MUCH more palatable to our fellow citizens -- simply increase the authorized end strength [i.e. size] of the active duty forces, and increase the authorized end strength of the Guard and Reserve, then fund both entities to the levels needed to recruit and retain these troops. You'll end up with all the troops you need, they will all have volunteered to be there, and if you enhance such benefits as better pay and increased G.I. Bill education benefits and quality of living facilities and if you will continue along the same lines to make service in the Guard and Reserve more and more attractive, trust me -- you'll be turning applicants away.

It turns out our sons and daughters are much greater patriots than many of the talking heads in the media give them credit for. Just last year, a million-plus dollar a year professional football player showed us that when he turned down a multi-million dollar contract to serve in the U. S. Armed Forces. He wasn't drafted -- he volunteered. He was an incredible patriot and a true American hero. Last week he gave the last full measure of devotion to his beloved America. He is not alone. Every single American man and woman in our armed forces volunteered to serve just like he did.

America does not need to return to the military draft. We can and do already successfully man our armed forces with all volunteers, and over the last 20-30 years we have successfully done so at much MUCH larger force levels in both active duty AND Guard and Reserve Forces.

Why would we ever want to force our young fellow citizens to have to serve in the military if they don't want to serve, unless our nation was truly in peril?

And in my view, we're not in peril, nor anywhere near it.

So let's not!
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I know that there are a couple of Senators who disagree. I'll see if I can dig up their names. Anyway, it's going to be interesting to see what ends up happening with the military, Iraqi occupation, etc.
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Superman wrote:I know that there are a couple of Senators who disagree. I'll see if I can dig up their names. Anyway, it's going to be interesting to see what ends up happening with the military, Iraqi occupation, etc.
you'll always find a senator or two to disagree with ANY issue. unless the subject is 'i love my grandma' or 'should we decapitate cute fuzzy kitties in front of toddlers'
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There were some people last year in both the Senate and the House who introduced bills to reinstate the draft.

It was mostly an stunt to drum up anti-war support but there are some people who do think we should force national service on some if not all of our citizens.

Senate Bill 5657566 brought to you by Ernest Hollings (D-SC)

House Bill 5657511 brought to you by Charles Rangel (D-NY 15th)


Those two links take you to websites that will allow you to easilly find out who supports the bills. I think there was one other person who backed the Senate's bill and 15 people who backed the House bill (not a lot of support) but the weekend talking heads like to bring this stuff up all the time.

Currently neither of the Senators nor any of the Representatives from Arizona support reinstating the draft.
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And of course despite the normal wacoism that breaks out every time the word DRAFT is mentioned by a senator what has yet to be answeared is this

Where oh were are we going to get the money and the manpower to re-open the rather large amount of bases we used to have and needed to train these drafteese and get them slots in basic

Take the Navy for instance, Right now the avarage new salior can expect between three weeks to a year and a half wait time after they sign on the dotted line because of not being able to get slots in Boot Camp and any possible follow on schools due to them already being booked

We(The Navy) USED to have several choices of places to send people to get them through Boot, now we have one, reason being is we did not need anymore, just like now if we had a draft we would not have the ships to put them on, the main two rates that go ashore, Seebee's and Coremen normaly have a six or so month delay getting into boot because of overbooked tech schools

I know the Marines and Army have done the same and many cross branch bases have been closed as well
If we insituted a draft for lack of a better way of saying it, we would have no were to stick the folks till we get them overseas and our logostics would need a hell of an upgrade at home

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Tis political tripe. Some bring it up like a 'boogeyman' to harken back to the day's of Vietnam. Others bring it up as some sort of bar of social standing 'every one should spend a few years serving'.

None of it is too serious, just political manuvering with a politically sensitive word.
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You're going to get far superior soldiers out of those who volunteer because they want to than if you draft someone. There'll always be draftees that definitely don't want to do it and will what they can to get out. Instituting one now after not having one for a good while would be idiotic.
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The US does not need to reinstate the draft
Captain Obvious strikes again! :wink: They're not going to reinstate the draft. The draft bill runs through every Congressional session. Every single one. Has for years. It has obviously never passed. Its not going to any time soon either. The President doesn't want it, the Defense Department doesn't want it, and the Joint Chiefs really don't want it. Conscripts are simply a resource drain; with the U.S. military's level of training their two years are about up by the time they're ready to deploy.
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Draftees would be worse than useless in a conflict like Iraq. You can't just pluck some 18 year old kid off the street, show him which end of the gun you point at the bad guys, and toss him in Fallujah, unless you're okay with jumpy resentful conscripts spraying anything that moves with M-16 fire during an occupation operation. Maybe if we decided to invade mainland China (or vice-versa) and needed fresh bodies for the meat grinder we'd need to bring back the draft, but otherwise, it's worthless.
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Tsyroc wrote:Senate Bill 5657566 brought to you by Ernest Hollings (D-SC)
GEE WHAT A MOTHERFUCKING SHOCK!!

He aalready supports throwing people in jail for cutting into corporate profits^H^H^H^Hfilesharing, now this. What a fucktard! :finger:
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Isn't the entire purpose of that Selective Service crap all 18 year old males (citizen and non-citizen in the US according to the stupid forms) must fill out solely incase cannon fodder is needed in a serious conflict?
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Vohu Manah wrote:Isn't the entire purpose of that Selective Service crap all 18 year old males (citizen and non-citizen in the US according to the stupid forms) must fill out solely incase cannon fodder is needed in a serious conflict?
Yeah, except nowadays, I can be cannon fodder in a city when it gets nuked as well...
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This pops up every once in a while. It never goes anywhere. The draft is not coming back. Move along.
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Durandal wrote:This pops up every once in a while. It never goes anywhere. The draft is not coming back. Move along.
I already know that, but the fact it's Fritz Hollings doesn't come as a shock at all to me. Behind Shrubby, he's the epitome of corporate Evil.
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Yeah, that's an interesting twist. I knew that ole Fritz "Hollywood" Hollings was in the entertainment industry's pocket, but I didn't expect him to be championing the reinstatement of the draft, either.

Then again, maybe he just wants all those young whippersnappers downloading music for free to be shipped off to Iraq, since Congress smacked down Orrin Hatch's suggestion that the government remotely detonate the computers of accused file-swappers.
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Stark wrote:
Durandal wrote:remotely detonate
Are you kidding?? :shock:
He has to be, because they can't. Its not like they ship computers with shaped charges in them. :P
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Rogue 9 wrote:
Stark wrote:
Durandal wrote:remotely detonate
Are you kidding?? :shock:
He has to be, because they can't. Its not like they ship computers with shaped charges in them. :P
Not yet anyway. :?
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Rogue 9 wrote:
Stark wrote:
Durandal wrote:remotely detonate
Are you kidding?? :shock:
He has to be, because they can't. Its not like they ship computers with shaped charges in them. :P
Sad part is he isnt kidding about the douche wanting to do it...he was also pushing for legalized DoS attacks agianst suspected pirates and P2P networks...
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Keevan_Colton wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Stark wrote: Are you kidding?? :shock:
He has to be, because they can't. Its not like they ship computers with shaped charges in them. :P
Sad part is he isnt kidding about the douche wanting to do it...
I know he wanted to do it, but he can't do it regardless, no matter how much he rails or how many bills he proposes.
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Rogue 9 wrote:
Stark wrote:
Durandal wrote:remotely detonate
Are you kidding?? :shock:
He has to be, because they can't. Its not like they ship computers with shaped charges in them. :P
No, he really wants Congress to do it. He probably has this fear that someone, somewhere, downloaded his music instead of paying for it, and he could have used those three cents he would have made off the single CD sale, and to make sure he forces all that one person who downloaded his music out of morbid curiousity to cough up his money.

I'm serious here. Hatch actually thinks he's a great musician, and combined with that delusion he also apparantly thinks that the government can remotely detonate computers.
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