[Imperium²] Man VS Beast

Striderteen · Post by **Striderteen** » 2004-04-28 12:55am

aerius wrote:Call me a coward, but I ain't taking my chances against a dog with anything short of 9mm handgun. Dogs move too fast for me to think about going up against one with anything else.

I wouldn't bet on anything but a shotgun; dogs are surprisingly resistant to small-caliber gunfire.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-28 12:58am

He dared Mike to ban him? Didn't he know what would happen? Anyone who's been over the Shit List would know that.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-04-28 01:00am

Rogue 9 wrote:He dared Mike to ban him? Didn't he know what would happen? Anyone who's been over the Shit List would know that.

I'll be suprised if it isn't someone who is already on it....

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-04-28 01:03am

Actually, I'm sort of annoyed that the useful post I made, on how to actually DEAL with a dog if your unarmed, recieved no attention while mr macho-shithead did. Guess Quiznos, with their stupid fucking commercial is right, the best way to grab attention is to be annoying and stupid.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-28 01:04am

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:He dared Mike to ban him? Didn't he know what would happen? Anyone who's been over the Shit List would know that.
I'll be suprised if it isn't someone who is already on it....

Hmmm. Perhaps Strate_Egg/Cornelius was telling the truth after all...

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-04-28 01:15am

Striderteen wrote:I wouldn't bet on anything but a shotgun; dogs are surprisingly resistant to small-caliber gunfire.

depends what kind of ammo (FMJ or JHP). Even 9mm JHP lacks "knockdown" power, but I really can't see a dog taking more than two .45 ACP Hydroshock rounds (at most) to bring down...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-28 01:20am

There was a mounted cop some years ago who shot and killed a pitbull by emptying his revolver into it, but not before it somehow managed to gravely wound his horse. Too bad he didn't have Imperium by his side

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-04-28 01:21am

I'll go see if the Imperium of TK starts whining. That'll be our confirmation if he does...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-28 01:26am

Rogue 9 wrote:I'll go see if the Imperium of TK starts whining. That'll be our confirmation if he does...

Considering how he kept addressing me by first name even though we have had almost no interaction on this board before today, I'd strongly suspect that it's somebody who was familiar with me from some other context and had a prior axe to grind, not that I'm going to lose any sleep over it.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-04-28 01:27am

Darth Wong wrote:There was a mounted cop some years ago who shot and killed a pitbull by emptying his revolver into it, but not before it somehow managed to gravely wound his horse. Too bad he didn't have Imperium by his side

Do we know what caliber and ammo type he was using? (I used to have a quote in my sig from a Israeli soldier who had to put 7 rounds into a Syrian soldier with his Uzi to take him down. Naturally, this soldier would have been using FMJ ammo).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-04-28 01:47am

I'd guess a .45, personally.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2004-04-28 01:53am

.45 from a revolver? It's not unheard, but less than common. I'd guess .38

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-04-28 02:06am

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:.45 from a revolver? It's not unheard, but less than common. I'd guess .38

I'm leaning to that opinion as well, especially since this was a the sidearm of a law-enforcement officer. The .38 Special cartridge (especially the FMJ version) is notoriously lacking in stopping power. During the Moro rebellions in the Philippines about a century ago, there were several occasions where a US officer was hacked to death after emptying his (.38) service revolver into a machette-weilding rebel.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-28 02:14am

It was a printed newspaper article, and I don't recall that they ever mentioned the calibre of weapon, although I agree that .38 seems most likely. They went into detail about the horse's injuries too, although I don't remember those details; I only remember the part about how he had to empty his revolver into the dog and it still managed to seriously injure the horse.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-04-28 03:13am

Striderteen wrote:
aerius wrote:Call me a coward, but I ain't taking my chances against a dog with anything short of 9mm handgun. Dogs move too fast for me to think about going up against one with anything else.
I wouldn't bet on anything but a shotgun; dogs are surprisingly resistant to small-caliber gunfire.

A shotgun would also be easier to aim at a fast moving dog than a revolver. After all shotgun pellets have an area affect.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2004-04-28 03:31am

evilcat4000 wrote: A shotgun would also be easier to aim at a fast moving dog than a revolver. After all shotgun pellets have an area affect.

Do you ever bother reading anything?

No fucking duh it'd be easier to aim, but Striderteen clearly said:

dogs are surprisingly resistant to small-caliber gunfire.

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A few moments of deep thought and logistics reveal that shotgun pellets are pretty far on the list of small-caliber projectiles, and clearly have little stopping power, which was the point of that statement.

See what exercising your brain cells can do? Please get a vasectomy.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2004-04-28 04:17am

Assuming of course that the sentence about small-caliber fire was to note that a shotgun would have less stopping power, despite being easier to aim (which was my first impression, since it sound like a con to conflict with the mentioned pro). Either way, a repetitive sound bite about easiness of aiming neither addresses stopping power nor adds to the statement about easiness of aiming already made.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2004-04-28 11:26am

Well, that was quick, I didn't even get to call him an assclown before he got banned. Oh well, there's always the next troll.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-04-28 02:38pm

Jesus Christ....where did this asshole come from? You'd think he was molested and then raped by a group of dogs....

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-28 02:51pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:Jesus Christ....where did this asshole come from? You'd think he was molested and then raped by a group of dogs....

As I said, he's obviously some insolent little twerp who kicked his girlfriend's dog and then thought it made him a Big Man. And when he could see that he was getting his ass kicked in this debate, he started looking for a way to extricate himself without conceding the point, so he decided to goad me into banning him. No doubt he believes it was remarkably clever and that people will read the thread and be in awe of his shining "moral victory"

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-04-28 02:59pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:Jesus Christ....where did this asshole come from? You'd think he was molested and then raped by a group of dogs....
As I said, he's obviously some insolent little twerp who kicked his girlfriend's dog and then thought it made him a Big Man. And when he could see that he was getting his ass kicked in this debate, he started looking for a way to extricate himself without conceding the point, so he decided to goad me into banning him. No doubt he believes it was remarkably clever and that people will read the thread and be in awe of his shining "moral victory"

What victory? The only victory I see here is when DARTH WONG KICKED THE ASSHOLE IN THE ASS!

And where did that little asscunt come from again?

Oni Koneko Damien · Post by **Oni Koneko Damien** » 2004-04-28 03:01pm

Honestly I believe it would depend on two variables, mainly. Size and general strength/speed/whatnot are important, but I think most important is the sanity levels of the human and dog involved.

The reason attack dogs are so vicious is because they're pretty much trained to do insane things (kind of like suicide bombers), they're conditioned to have no concern over their physical well being, or the risks to their bodies when they attack.

The reason most humans will flee from an attack is because they feel that the risk of physical harm is much greater if they stay and try to defend themselves. A (normal/sane) dog sees a retreating target as less potentially harmful, and thus, gives chase.

Now, if a human, when confronted with a dog running at him/her teeth bared, goes berserk and charges into battle, fists flying, legs kicking, teeth biting (humans can bite pretty damn hard), the situation for the dog changes. Suddenly, if it's 'normal', it realizes that there's a good chance that it's not going to come out of this fight in one piece. Since the dog is, at the moment, the saner of the two combatants, it will retreat.

Of course, for attack dogs this theory completely collapses as they have been trained to act in an irrational (for dogs) manner. They don't care about physical harm, and thus, just acting insane and attacking it will only speed your own death.

-Damien

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-04-28 03:09pm

That's what's so scary about breeds like pitbulls. The pitbull who attacked the mounted police officer continued to attack even after it had been shot several times.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-04-28 03:22pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:And where did that little asscunt come from again?

Most likely from some bitch's cunt

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Seriously, he is probably someone who is already on the Shit List, as Wong said Imperium² referred him by his first name, even though Imperium had not interacted much with Wong during the former's short time on the board.

Darth Wong wrote:That's what's so scary about breeds like pitbulls. The pitbull who attacked the mounted police officer continued to attack even after it had been shot several times.

Personally, I think every male pitbull should be castrated so the entire breed will die off. Pitbulls are too dangerous and tempermental, which makes them unsuitable even as gaurd or attack dogs (they could turn on their handlers, or kill intruders when you merely want the dog to hold them in place so the dog's handler can apprehend them). They can be playful and normal one minute, and turn into viscious killers the next for no apparent reason...

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2004-04-28 03:54pm

Uts-- perhaps Striderteen was thinking a shotgun loaded with slug rounds? When you fire those, you're basically shooting a low-powered elephant gun-- a 12-gauge is about equivalent to .65 caliber! Those would louse up any dog's day, let alone an attack dog... of course, the trick is to shoot it before it gets too close to you...