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All hail Al Jaz...er...Al Iraqiya!
Al Iraqiya offers alternative view
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
When Arab-language TV station Al Jazeera broadcast anti-U.S. messages in the past, there was little the coalition could do to reach the average Iraqi with an alternative view.
Satellite dishes were sprouting by the thousands on rooftops. Yet, the Pentagon- financed news channel lacked serious programming and access to a satellite to carry its signal.
Today, Iraqi Media Network (IMN) barely resembles the one-studio terrestrial station of six months ago. IMN's TV channel, Al Iraqiya, garnered a satellite hookup two weeks ago, is about to open a third studio within a $96 million operating budget, has a staff of Iraqi broadcasters and reporters, and goes live each day at 6:30 a.m. for 18 hours of programming.
Al Jazeera, the Qatar-based, pan-Arab channel that airs the war-mongering speeches of Osama bin Laden and other Muslim radicals, still is infuriating American officials.
"I can definitely say that what Al Jazeera is doing is vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said last week, after the station repeatedly asserted that Marines had killed hundreds of civilians in Fallujah. "You know what our forces do. They don't go around killing hundreds of civilians. That's just outrageous nonsense. It's disgraceful what that station is doing."
But this time, Al Iraqiya was on the air with a different perspective. Its reporters filed reports from the scene, quoting the Marines.
Al Iraqiya provides complete coverage of the regular Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) briefings that feature Dan Senor and Brig Gen. Mark Kimmitt. It also shows press conferences by Gen. John Abizaid, the overall U.S. commander, and a weekly interview with L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator.
The mix of C-SPAN-style public affairs and cable TV news appears to be catching on. The State Department did a survey last month, asking Iraqis which source they go to first for news. Al Iraqiya beat its two chief competitors. It garnered 40 percent of respondents, compared with 29 percent for Al Arabiya TV in the United Arab Emirates and 11 percent for Al Jazeera.
"The poll indicates Al Iraqiya is more relevant, more accurate and more important than our competition," said J. Dorrance Smith, a former ABC sports and news executive who worked in the first Bush
administration as a communications adviser and helped the president in the 2000 Florida recount.
"If you watch the two side by side, Al Jazeera's approach to this story is markedly different than the approach on Al Iraqiya," Mr. Smith said of the Fallujah coverage. "Al Jazeera is extremely antagonistic toward the coalition and all of its elements as a foundation of their coverage."
The White House originally tapped the 52-year-old Mr. Smith to go to Iraq and create a network so officials in Baghdad could communicate with officials and the press in Washington. Once that was done, he was moved over in January to the struggling IMN.
"I can't minimize the problems that existed," he said.
Mr. Smith, who is senior media adviser to Mr. Bremer, radically changed the program from canned productions to a mix of news, public affairs and commercial programs.
Officials hope the IMN is fast becoming the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) of Iraq. The BBC is Great Britain's government-financed, but independent network that mixes Masterpiece Theater with live reports from the war front.
Following the BBC model, Mr. Bremer has signed an order taking IMN away from the CPA and turning it over to an Iraqi board of governors.
This could defuse charges from some news executives who label Al Iraqiya as CPA's propaganda arm.
But pro-IMN officials argue that the United States needs a conduit for information because of the false rumors that flood the Arab street, such as: The British conducted the five bombings in Basra recently, and there is no such group as bin Laden's al Qaeda.
Al Iraqiya made sure during Thursday's evening news that it quoted Iraqi officials in Basra as suggesting that al Qaeda carried out the attacks that killed, among others, 20 schoolchildren.
There are no Nielsen ratings in Iraq or an official count of TV sets, but the populace has bought so many satellite dishes the price has dropped in a year from $400 to $40 each.
"You fly over the country, and every other house has a dish," Mr. Smith said.
Al Iraqiya is the most conspicuous information tool used by the Americans. IMN also operates an FM radio station and a newspaper. Harris Corp. of Melbourne, Fla., runs the overall operation through a $96 million Pentagon contract.
BONUS:
U.S. Marine Cpl. Basso Mathew, rear, trains an Iraqi Civil Defense Corps soldier. The Marines are training ICDC and policemen ahead of joint patrols with them in Fallujah starting tomorrow.
(AP)
Good sign here. Very Good Sign. Can you guess what it is?
Al Iraqiya offers alternative view
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
When Arab-language TV station Al Jazeera broadcast anti-U.S. messages in the past, there was little the coalition could do to reach the average Iraqi with an alternative view.
Satellite dishes were sprouting by the thousands on rooftops. Yet, the Pentagon- financed news channel lacked serious programming and access to a satellite to carry its signal.
Today, Iraqi Media Network (IMN) barely resembles the one-studio terrestrial station of six months ago. IMN's TV channel, Al Iraqiya, garnered a satellite hookup two weeks ago, is about to open a third studio within a $96 million operating budget, has a staff of Iraqi broadcasters and reporters, and goes live each day at 6:30 a.m. for 18 hours of programming.
Al Jazeera, the Qatar-based, pan-Arab channel that airs the war-mongering speeches of Osama bin Laden and other Muslim radicals, still is infuriating American officials.
"I can definitely say that what Al Jazeera is doing is vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said last week, after the station repeatedly asserted that Marines had killed hundreds of civilians in Fallujah. "You know what our forces do. They don't go around killing hundreds of civilians. That's just outrageous nonsense. It's disgraceful what that station is doing."
But this time, Al Iraqiya was on the air with a different perspective. Its reporters filed reports from the scene, quoting the Marines.
Al Iraqiya provides complete coverage of the regular Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) briefings that feature Dan Senor and Brig Gen. Mark Kimmitt. It also shows press conferences by Gen. John Abizaid, the overall U.S. commander, and a weekly interview with L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator.
The mix of C-SPAN-style public affairs and cable TV news appears to be catching on. The State Department did a survey last month, asking Iraqis which source they go to first for news. Al Iraqiya beat its two chief competitors. It garnered 40 percent of respondents, compared with 29 percent for Al Arabiya TV in the United Arab Emirates and 11 percent for Al Jazeera.
"The poll indicates Al Iraqiya is more relevant, more accurate and more important than our competition," said J. Dorrance Smith, a former ABC sports and news executive who worked in the first Bush
administration as a communications adviser and helped the president in the 2000 Florida recount.
"If you watch the two side by side, Al Jazeera's approach to this story is markedly different than the approach on Al Iraqiya," Mr. Smith said of the Fallujah coverage. "Al Jazeera is extremely antagonistic toward the coalition and all of its elements as a foundation of their coverage."
The White House originally tapped the 52-year-old Mr. Smith to go to Iraq and create a network so officials in Baghdad could communicate with officials and the press in Washington. Once that was done, he was moved over in January to the struggling IMN.
"I can't minimize the problems that existed," he said.
Mr. Smith, who is senior media adviser to Mr. Bremer, radically changed the program from canned productions to a mix of news, public affairs and commercial programs.
Officials hope the IMN is fast becoming the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) of Iraq. The BBC is Great Britain's government-financed, but independent network that mixes Masterpiece Theater with live reports from the war front.
Following the BBC model, Mr. Bremer has signed an order taking IMN away from the CPA and turning it over to an Iraqi board of governors.
This could defuse charges from some news executives who label Al Iraqiya as CPA's propaganda arm.
But pro-IMN officials argue that the United States needs a conduit for information because of the false rumors that flood the Arab street, such as: The British conducted the five bombings in Basra recently, and there is no such group as bin Laden's al Qaeda.
Al Iraqiya made sure during Thursday's evening news that it quoted Iraqi officials in Basra as suggesting that al Qaeda carried out the attacks that killed, among others, 20 schoolchildren.
There are no Nielsen ratings in Iraq or an official count of TV sets, but the populace has bought so many satellite dishes the price has dropped in a year from $400 to $40 each.
"You fly over the country, and every other house has a dish," Mr. Smith said.
Al Iraqiya is the most conspicuous information tool used by the Americans. IMN also operates an FM radio station and a newspaper. Harris Corp. of Melbourne, Fla., runs the overall operation through a $96 million Pentagon contract.
BONUS:
U.S. Marine Cpl. Basso Mathew, rear, trains an Iraqi Civil Defense Corps soldier. The Marines are training ICDC and policemen ahead of joint patrols with them in Fallujah starting tomorrow.
(AP)
Good sign here. Very Good Sign. Can you guess what it is?
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Wow, I guess al-Jazeera isn't so big in Iraq. I even remember Salam Pax, hardly a friend to the coalition, bitching about them last year.
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Well, It's nice to know at least one thing in Iraq is being done right...
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My guess for the 'really good thing' is as follows:
A) The Iraqi's holding an AK, which means the stories early on about them being scrapped in favor of importing a whole assload of M-16s is bunk.
B) He's actually holding it properly (not holding it with his finger on the trigger, but off to the side), which means they're actually receiving reasonably competent instruction.
A) The Iraqi's holding an AK, which means the stories early on about them being scrapped in favor of importing a whole assload of M-16s is bunk.
B) He's actually holding it properly (not holding it with his finger on the trigger, but off to the side), which means they're actually receiving reasonably competent instruction.
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DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DINGRyoga wrote:My guess for the 'really good thing' is as follows:
B) He's actually holding it properly (not holding it with his finger on the trigger, but off to the side), which means they're actually receiving reasonably competent instruction.
We have a WINNER!
Yep. Good signs for da future, if we can get them to hold them properly.
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I think that putting down the insurgency would be a better sign for the future, but that's just me. You're acting like this magically cancels out all the sheer stupidity going on over there, the latest of which being a change of the country's flag to a color scheme which resembles that of their mortal enemy.
Sorry, but it's going to take more than ratings to boost my spirits regarding what's going on over there.
Sorry, but it's going to take more than ratings to boost my spirits regarding what's going on over there.
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It's good to know that when half the Iraqi Army either refuses to fight the insurgents or actively joins them, they'll know how to hold their weapons properly.
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That's it, Mike. Every silver lining has a cloud!Darth Wong wrote:It's good to know that when half the Iraqi Army either refuses to fight the insurgents or actively joins them, they'll know how to hold their weapons properly.
Seriously, though, that pic reminds me of the "Elian Gonzales" pic with the DOJ guy holding a gun with the safety on and his finger not on the trigger.
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Ryoga wrote:My guess for the 'really good thing' is as follows:
A) The Iraqi's holding an AK, which means the stories early on about them being scrapped in favor of importing a whole assload of M-16s is bunk.
No such story existed as far as I know, the US however did pay to import new Ak-47's from eastern Europe (despite the capture of many still in there original packaging), and given the quality and shine of the stock and metalwork on that one I'd suspect its one of the brand new imports.
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I will never understand that AK import. As if the country wasn't awash with AK derivatives of all kinds already, they need to import more
Anyway, that Iraqi soldier looks well-equipped, never mind his holding the gun properly. Too bad 200 of those same soldiers are held in captivitiy for mutiny, or the 40% of them that have quit and the 10% who were actively assisting the insurgents.
Anyway, that Iraqi soldier looks well-equipped, never mind his holding the gun properly. Too bad 200 of those same soldiers are held in captivitiy for mutiny, or the 40% of them that have quit and the 10% who were actively assisting the insurgents.
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The truth hurts, doesn't it?CaptainChewbacca wrote:That's it, Mike. Every silver lining has a cloud!
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I don't see how other issues are particularly relevant. It appears that Iraqi soldiers are getting somewhat decent training, and that is a good thing. The rest of the country may be a shithole, but that's neither here nor there.
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We're not talking about the rest of the country. We're talking about the soldiers. You can teach an Iraqi to hold an AK-47 properly; this does not mean you've made him sympathetic to American involvement in Iraq, or willing to cheerfully carry out Coalition (coughAmericancough) orders.Howedar wrote:I don't see how other issues are particularly relevant. It appears that Iraqi soldiers are getting somewhat decent training, and that is a good thing. The rest of the country may be a shithole, but that's neither here nor there.
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Of course. But that does not change the fact that you've taught him to hold a rifle properly. The whole country could (is?) be going to hell in a hand basket, but holding a rifle properly is still a good thing.
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Not when he's aiming it at you instead of the other guys.Howedar wrote:Of course. But that does not change the fact that you've taught him to hold a rifle properly. The whole country could (is?) be going to hell in a hand basket, but holding a rifle properly is still a good thing.
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This is a long term job, We've managed to build a sucessful televisionDurandal wrote:I think that putting down the insurgency would be a better sign for the future, but that's just me.
network that can compete and win over Al Jazeera's core audience in
Iraq, no mean feat when you consider that all americans are uncouth
barbarians.
Just take one step at a time.
Oh, BTW, another sign, note how well equipped the Iraqi soldier is;
brand new PASGT helmet, new Chocolate Chip Desert Camouflage,
possible flak vest he's wearing. They've got the equipment, we just
need to train them, which is the most intangible factor and the hardest.
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Survey: Arabs Are Watching U.S. TV Channel Alhurra
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The controversial U.S. Arabic-language TV channel Alhurra is winning viewers as a news source in the Arab world despite rising anti-American attitudes in the region, according to a U.S.- financed poll released on Thursday.
The telephone survey of 3,588 people aged 15 or older in 13 cities was done by the French research company Ipsos-Stat in early April for the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the independent federal agency that oversees all U.S. international nonmilitary broadcasting.
The results showed Alhurra -- in its first two months -- is being watched by an average 29 percent of the satellite-equipped households in seven countries, including a high of 44 percent in Kuwait and a low of 18 percent in Egypt.
The survey also found that an average 53 percent of the viewers consider the channel programming to be reliable or somewhat reliable. This includes a high of 70 percent reliability felt by Saudis and a low of 37 percent reliability among Syrians.
"I was very surprised by these numbers," considering all the negative press in the region saying no one is watching Alhurra and the fact that a religious "fatwa" edict was issued against the channel in Saudi Arabia, said Norman Pattiz of the Broadcasting Board of Governors.
"Within the first two months of broadcasting Alhurra has quickly established itself as a player among satellite stations in the Middle East," he told a news conference.
Some 40 percent of people in the Middle East have access to satellite television, Pattiz said.
Many Arab critics have argued that President Bush (news - web sites) launched Alhurra, the "Free One," as a propaganda tool to advance a war on Islam.
The Americans contend the TV channel is needed to compete for the hearts and minds of Muslims against pan-Arabic stations Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, which U.S. officials charge often distort U.S. policy and are hostile to it.
Pattiz said the survey numbers for Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya are much higher but still the results for Alhurra are "great indicators."
"Our product is credibility in news and information. If we don't have that, we're dead in the water," he said.
The station operates 24 hours a day every day and aims to "present U.S. policies accurately and credibly" through full discussions representing a variety of viewpoints, he added.
Pattiz said Alhurra and the U.S.-funded Radio Sawa, which also operates in the Middle East, still have hurdles to overcome in winning viewers and listeners.
But experience is proving that "if you give them an example of product that is balanced and that clearly tells all sides of the issues ... then they will come, and they have," he said.
The Alhurra survey was conducted in Beirut, Lebanon; Damascus and Aleppo in Syria; Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates; Cairo and Alexandria in Egypt; Kuwait City; Amman, Irbid and Zarqa in Jordan; and Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia.
The USA is a bunch of incompetent boobs...again
Survey: Arabs Are Watching U.S. TV Channel Alhurra
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The controversial U.S. Arabic-language TV channel Alhurra is winning viewers as a news source in the Arab world despite rising anti-American attitudes in the region, according to a U.S.- financed poll released on Thursday.
The telephone survey of 3,588 people aged 15 or older in 13 cities was done by the French research company Ipsos-Stat in early April for the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the independent federal agency that oversees all U.S. international nonmilitary broadcasting.
The results showed Alhurra -- in its first two months -- is being watched by an average 29 percent of the satellite-equipped households in seven countries, including a high of 44 percent in Kuwait and a low of 18 percent in Egypt.
The survey also found that an average 53 percent of the viewers consider the channel programming to be reliable or somewhat reliable. This includes a high of 70 percent reliability felt by Saudis and a low of 37 percent reliability among Syrians.
"I was very surprised by these numbers," considering all the negative press in the region saying no one is watching Alhurra and the fact that a religious "fatwa" edict was issued against the channel in Saudi Arabia, said Norman Pattiz of the Broadcasting Board of Governors.
"Within the first two months of broadcasting Alhurra has quickly established itself as a player among satellite stations in the Middle East," he told a news conference.
Some 40 percent of people in the Middle East have access to satellite television, Pattiz said.
Many Arab critics have argued that President Bush (news - web sites) launched Alhurra, the "Free One," as a propaganda tool to advance a war on Islam.
The Americans contend the TV channel is needed to compete for the hearts and minds of Muslims against pan-Arabic stations Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, which U.S. officials charge often distort U.S. policy and are hostile to it.
Pattiz said the survey numbers for Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya are much higher but still the results for Alhurra are "great indicators."
"Our product is credibility in news and information. If we don't have that, we're dead in the water," he said.
The station operates 24 hours a day every day and aims to "present U.S. policies accurately and credibly" through full discussions representing a variety of viewpoints, he added.
Pattiz said Alhurra and the U.S.-funded Radio Sawa, which also operates in the Middle East, still have hurdles to overcome in winning viewers and listeners.
But experience is proving that "if you give them an example of product that is balanced and that clearly tells all sides of the issues ... then they will come, and they have," he said.
The Alhurra survey was conducted in Beirut, Lebanon; Damascus and Aleppo in Syria; Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates; Cairo and Alexandria in Egypt; Kuwait City; Amman, Irbid and Zarqa in Jordan; and Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia.
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If it means fewer civilians die in the cross fire its still better the nothing, heck if every Iraqi we had to fight was expertly trained to shoot US forces in the center of the chest things would be just dandy since the current body armor will easily stop AK rounds.Darth Wong wrote:Not when he's aiming it at you instead of the other guys.Howedar wrote:Of course. But that does not change the fact that you've taught him to hold a rifle properly. The whole country could (is?) be going to hell in a hand basket, but holding a rifle properly is still a good thing.
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