Missiles Obsolete

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-10-22 11:03am

I remember hearing from a respectable newssource that Gl stated Ep. III would explain why missile wepaons are obsolete in the OT. I figure it will be an offhand statement (Much like the 'Clones are freethinking' line in AotC).

What're your thoughts?
P.S. I'll dig up the link if I can find it.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-22 12:33pm

Oh yeah I read that too somewhere ... interesting.

Laughing Mechanicus · Post by **Laughing Mechanicus** » 2002-10-22 01:59pm

If its true thats a nice tie in to Ep4, it would make the rebels seem even more "shoddy" using mere missile to attack the Death Star (and we all know how much GL likes low tech beats high tech plot devices, see also Ewoks,Gungans)

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-22 02:11pm

Are you sure you aren't mixing it up with the 'Star Wars' anti-missile program?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-22 04:11pm

Are you sure you aren't mixing it up with the 'Star Wars' anti-missile program?

I can't seem to remeber an Espode III being planed of the Star Wars Missle Defense Program

But if there is do tell I'd love to hear the details

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-10-22 06:40pm

Given that four out of fire Star Wars movies have had missiles used in combat, often with quite powerful effect, I think pecker is just very confused.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2002-10-22 07:31pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Are you sure you aren't mixing it up with the 'Star Wars' anti-missile program?
I can't seem to remeber an Espode III being planed of the Star Wars Missle Defense Program

Well...

Espisode 1: The systems planned under Eisenhower for activation in the 1960s
Episode 2: The systems planned by Reagan
Episode 3: The current NMD program

::runs::

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-22 07:40pm

Missiles seem to be used only against capital ships, by fighters, during the films, but we have seen so little capital ship combat that it is quite probable that some larger ships use missiles, also. It could also be that missiles are not as useful as blasters and laser weapons, because of their low ammunition capacities, or some other factor, but this does not seem probable. It is more likely that the more modern capital ships forego their use because of the ease with which they are intercepted at the long ranges capital ships usually fight at, and because of the higher powers of their turbolasers (there is almost certainly a practical maximum for the yield of explosive weapons, but there may not be for energy weapons, as evidenced by the DS and Eclipse Super Lasers).

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-10-22 10:39pm

phongn wrote:
Mr Bean wrote:
Are you sure you aren't mixing it up with the 'Star Wars' anti-missile program?
I can't seem to remeber an Espode III being planed of the Star Wars Missle Defense Program
Well...

Espisode 1: The systems planned under Eisenhower for activation in the 1960s
Episode 2: The systems planned by Reagan
Episode 3: The current NMD program

::runs::

So what about the Prequels

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-10-22 11:39pm

Connor, he started with Ep. 1. You can't have a prequel for Ep. 1.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-10-22 11:48pm

Connor, he started with Ep. 1. You can't have a prequel for Ep. 1.

Don't you read comics? They can have an Episode 0, an Episode 1/2...

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-10-22 11:49pm

Damn.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-23 12:39am

Can't believe everyone is totally confused:

"Missiles" means the missiles used by

LAATs
The various battle droids

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-23 12:57am

Vympel wrote:Can't believe everyone is totally confused:

"Missiles" means the missiles used by

LAATs
The various battle droids

There ARE various other kinds of missiles used in SW, even by individual soldiers.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-23 01:03am

Yeah, in the EU, which George Lucas doesn't turn his mind to if it doesn't suit him. He made a point of showing off missiles in Attack of the Clones; it seems that in Ep III, why they weren't used in say Hoth will be explained ...

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-23 01:09am

Vympel wrote:Yeah, in the EU, which George Lucas doesn't turn his mind to if it doesn't suit him. He made a point of showing off missiles in Attack of the Clones; it seems that in Ep III, why they weren't used in say Hoth will be explained ...

It, likely, already has been. Turbolaser technology, for the Imperials, developed to the point where it was more efficient in firepower/volume, and to where it was more efficient in terms of ammunition/volume. It also may be, for the Rebels, that the missiles are just too expensive, or that Imperial jamming has developed to the point where missiles are ineffective.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-10-23 01:09am

SPOOFE wrote:
Connor, he started with Ep. 1. You can't have a prequel for Ep. 1.
Don't you read comics? They can have an Episode 0, an Episode 1/2...

Wow, thanks. If it weren't for you I'd have looked real dumb there.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-10-23 02:22am

I got yo' back, mah bruthah.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-23 03:17am

Vympel wrote:Yeah, in the EU, which George Lucas doesn't turn his mind to if it doesn't suit him

Try ROTJ

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-10-23 03:45am

SPOOFE wrote:I got yo' back, mah bruthah.

I've got this sudden image of you with an afro and bell-bottoms

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-23 04:18am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Vympel wrote:Yeah, in the EU, which George Lucas doesn't turn his mind to if it doesn't suit him
Try ROTJ

What do you mean? There are no missiles in ROTJ of the nature seen on the LAAT and Seperatist battle droids.

DodoBrd16 · Post by **DodoBrd16** » 2002-10-23 04:38am

The imperials are the ultimate in military hard ware in the Star Wars universe. So if they have trouble hitting X-wings. I doubt that they have much of a chance of intercepting missiles.... so I dont see how they could become obsolete. Especially since they follow the target, which makes them extremely accurate over long range. They can evade enemy fire and pack one heck of a punch.

What more could you want?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-23 04:43am

DodoBrd16 wrote:The imperials are the ultimate in military hard ware in the Star Wars universe. So if they have trouble hitting X-wings. I doubt that they have much of a chance of intercepting missiles.... so I dont see how they could become obsolete. Especially since they follow the target, which makes them extremely accurate over long range. They can evade enemy fire and pack one heck of a punch.

What more could you want?

Where do they have trouble hitting X-Wings: oh yes the big guns on the Death Star which are designed to destroy capital ships. That's like saying you should be able to hit a fly with a .357 Magnum. And even then: 30 Rebel ships were sent, only three came back (IIRC from A New Hope). This is because both the guns and the TIE Fighters took their toll.

Also, since when do missiles have to be intercepted? They can be jammed for example. Regardless, it'll be explained in Episode III, apparently (but then again its early days and it might all be bull.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-23 04:43am

Vympel wrote:What do you mean? There are no missiles in ROTJ of the nature seen on the LAAT and Seperatist battle droids.

Boba has missiles
ROTJ shows several visuals which has to be missiles or bombs.

DodoBrd16 · Post by **DodoBrd16** » 2002-10-23 04:46am

Ever read Rogue Squadron?

They have that group of X-wings going up against ISDs more often then I have fingers to count.

And last time I checked, the TLs for the death star were the same as the ones on an ISD. If this is wrong, please tell me.

Also, and this is not an exact quote comming up, we have an Imperial officer on the Death star stating,"...They are so small they are evading our turbo lasers."