Iraqi General back in the saddle

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-05-01 04:56am

link
Suprised this hasnt been posted. A Republican Guard General is to lead an Iraqi force in Fallujah to restore 'peace'.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-05-01 05:41am

I mentioned it briefly on another thread, but yeah it deserves its own thread. He still wears his Army uniform.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-05-01 07:24am

The US army must be really desperate to seek the help of a Saddam era general.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-05-01 07:26am

This is really funny; I first saw this flicking through cable news channels; right after listening ot FOXnews's 'the whole insurgency was planned by Saddam years ago, and is being carried out by former Saddam supporters' I see the 'USMC around Fallujah to be relieved by former Saddam General'... one more FOX retcon down the toilet

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-05-01 09:01am

Stark wrote:This is really funny; I first saw this flicking through cable news channels; right after listening ot FOXnews's 'the whole insurgency was planned by Saddam years ago, and is being carried out by former Saddam supporters' I see the 'USMC around Fallujah to be relieved by former Saddam General'... one more FOX retcon down the toilet

Obviously he was in on the planning so he should know how to fix it!

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-05-01 10:39am

So? We should have never dissolved the Iraqi army in the first place. Not everyone in the old Iraqi army was a war criminal, for God's sake.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2004-05-01 01:09pm

Joe wrote:So? We should have never dissolved the Iraqi army in the first place. Not everyone in the old Iraqi army was a war criminal, for God's sake.

That is a good point. A lot was not planned past the overthrow of Saddam, and that short-sightedness has been costly.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-05-01 01:24pm

Oh, and he's not Republican Guard, he's regular Iraqi Army. The 38th Infantry was not an RG unit.

However, the 38th was involved in the crushing of the Shi'ite rebellion. Hopefully they checked on this guy.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-05-01 02:31pm

This is worse for the insurgents - killing coalition troops is one thing, but if they start killing fellow Iraqis trying to bring law and order to a chaotic area they'll have a much harder time justifying themselves.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-05-01 03:07pm

Vympel wrote:Oh, and he's not Republican Guard, he's regular Iraqi Army. The 38th Infantry was not an RG unit.

However, the 38th was involved in the crushing of the Shi'ite rebellion. Hopefully they checked on this guy.

Oh, I'm sure they have —given the thorough and meticulous planning that's gone into the occupation effort to date...

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-05-02 12:14am

Patrick Degan wrote:
Oh, I'm sure they have ?given the thorough and meticulous planning that's gone into the occupation effort to date...

*cackles with glee*

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-02 12:40am

Patrick Degan wrote:
Vympel wrote:Oh, and he's not Republican Guard, he's regular Iraqi Army. The 38th Infantry was not an RG unit.

However, the 38th was involved in the crushing of the Shi'ite rebellion. Hopefully they checked on this guy.
Oh, I'm sure they have —given the thorough and meticulous planning that's gone into the occupation effort to date...

Even so, I doubt they would put him in command of anything bigger than a prison cell if he was a Saddam loyalist. I seriously doubt that anyone over there's stupid enough to not check up on him.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-05-02 12:42am

Rogue 9 wrote:Even so, I doubt they would put him in command of anything bigger than a prison cell if he was a Saddam loyalist. I seriously doubt that anyone over there's stupid enough to not check up on him.

Don't be a dumb-ass. Every officer in the Iraq Army was a Saddam loyalist. If they weren't, they died. So all they can do is check to see whether he's been actively involved in the insurgency or whether he took part in any particularly well-known atrocities, and since they don't really know who's been involved in the insurgency, the former is not possible at all while the latter doesn't say much.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-02 01:13am

Darth Wong wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Even so, I doubt they would put him in command of anything bigger than a prison cell if he was a Saddam loyalist. I seriously doubt that anyone over there's stupid enough to not check up on him.
Don't be a dumb-ass. Every officer in the Iraq Army was a Saddam loyalist. If they weren't, they died. So all they can do is check to see whether he's been actively involved in the insurgency or whether he took part in any particularly well-known atrocities, and since they don't really know who's been involved in the insurgency, the former is not possible at all while the latter doesn't say much.

I worded that badly, sorry. I meant to say whether he still remains loyal to Saddam, and whether he participated in any atrocities.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-05-02 01:44pm

Update

Now he's out again.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-05-02 09:35pm

Joe wrote:Update

Now he's out again.

*groannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn*

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-05-03 09:55pm

Yet ANOTHER update:

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u ... id=1085712

U.S. officials say the Fallujah Brigade will crack down on guerrillas in the city west of Baghdad - though the force itself will likely include some of the gunmen who last month were involved in fighting the Marines.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-05-04 02:13am

Joe wrote:Yet ANOTHER update:

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u ... id=1085712

U.S. officials say the Fallujah Brigade will crack down on guerrillas in the city west of Baghdad - though the force itself will likely include some of the gunmen who last month were involved in fighting the Marines.

I sometime know not whether to laugh or cry...

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2004-05-04 02:17am

Joe wrote:Yet ANOTHER update:
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u ... id=1085712
U.S. officials say the Fallujah Brigade will crack down on guerrillas in the city west of Baghdad - though the force itself will likely include some of the gunmen who last month were involved in fighting the Marines.

Congratulations are in order for the Bush Administration. I had managed to convince myself that nothing they did would surprise me any more. This surprised me.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-05-04 02:21am

Well, the original guy is out- god they're incompetent. Can they do nothing right? Must everything be turned into a farce?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-05-04 02:30am

Joe wrote:Yet ANOTHER update:

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u ... id=1085712

U.S. officials say the Fallujah Brigade will crack down on guerrillas in the city west of Baghdad - though the force itself will likely include some of the gunmen who last month were involved in fighting the Marines.

Well there could be a case made for an new era of cooperation between the occupation force and the insurgents ... no, no one would be that stupid to even try and selling that, would they?

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-05-04 02:31am

Vympel wrote:Well, the original guy is out- god they're incompetent. Can they do nothing right? Must everything be turned into a farce?

Yes! for the Greater Glory of Bush!
It distracts attention away from his own blunder of going there for no disernable reason by putting the blame elseware.