American Deserters...Canadian Boycott?

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-05-02 12:03am

The basis of the story here-
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118424,00.html

and-
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118511,00.html

I am not sure if you guys are Factor viewers but this story is directed towards all Americans and even other citizens of the world. If Canada does not give up the soldiers, would you boycott Canadian goods? Do you think this undermines the US' position in the war on terror? In general, what do you think of the whole mess?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-05-02 12:09am

Canada ought to give us the soldiers, but the whole idea of a boycott over this is rather silly.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-05-02 12:28am

Deserters should be sent back to the US ASAP,if you do not want to go in a warzone then don't join the military.

As for boycotting Canada thats just stupid.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-05-02 12:35am

This poll is quite moot for me (since I'm a Canadian), but if it were up to me, those two deserters should be sent back to the States, then be court-martialed and sent to Fort Leavenworth for the rest of their lives (too bad the firing squad isn't an acceptable punishment for desertion anymore). C'mon! they were VOLUNTEERS, not conscripts like during Vietnam, and thus they should rightfully face the full consequences of their actions.

If they thought the Iraq war was wrong and wanted no part in it, they should have declared themselves Consciencious Objectors and faced the music, like Staff Sgt. Camilo Mejia did.

Paul Martin says he wants to improve our relations with the US. Handing over these two worthless cowards would be a good place to start.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-05-02 12:39am

O'Reilly's Fuckhead Factor doesn't bother mentioning whether the US has attempted to initiate extradition proceedings yet. Does anyone know?

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2004-05-02 12:47am

Ma Deuce wrote:If they thought the Iraq war was wrong and wanted no part in it, they should have declared themselves Consciencious Objectors and faced the music, like Staff Sgt. Camilo Mejia did.

They actually applied for Consciencious Objector status but were denied, due to statements on their websites that they would fight in self-defense.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-05-02 12:52am

Paul in Kingston, Ontario writes, "I feel real anger towards Canadian media people who are so blatantly anti-American. Please do not use my last name, I fear government reprisal."

ROTFL!!!!!

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-05-02 01:10am

Darth Wong wrote:O'Reilly's Fuckhead Factor doesn't bother mentioning whether the US has attempted to initiate extradition proceedings yet. Does anyone know?

No, but it doesn't help that elements of the Canadian media are embracing these two fucktards, especially the CBC, (which I now consider to be as worthless as Faux News), who ran these promos:

"For more than 200 years, Americans have been escaping war and strife in the US by heading north,"

"They came during the War of Independence, the Civil War, the Vietnam War ... and now there's that other war in Iraq. It's only a trickle, but it's starting to happen again."

O'Reilly is of course, using this as ammo, especially since CBC is owned by the government (of course it's independantly run, but it's very easy for someone as unscrupulous as O'Reilly to neglect to mention this)

Bob McDob wrote:They actually applied for Consciencious Objector status but were denied, due to statements on their websites that they would fight in self-defense.

After being denied CO status, they should have actively refused to follow orders and willingly face a court martial. What they finally decided to do was nothing more than shameful and dishonorable.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-05-02 01:15am

That's nothing more then stupid advertising. They're embracing the ratings.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-05-02 01:35am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:That's nothing more then stupid advertising. They're embracing the ratings.

Does it really make a difference why CBC did it?

Jalinth · Post by **Jalinth** » 2004-05-02 02:34am

Ma Deuce wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:That's nothing more then stupid advertising. They're embracing the ratings.
Does it really make a difference why CBC did it?

Given the CBC ratings - yes -

- the extra 10 viewers they get double their Nielsen ratings for programs not hockey related

Seriously - CBC will embrace just about anything these days that is radical/far left IMHO. Hopefully the next government will be at least a minority with the Conservatives as major players - say goodbye CBC. The non-confidence vote and new elections can take place the next day once CBC TV has been cut from the public feed.

Given the way the Canadian extradition system works (especially if they claim to be "refugees") the US might have to wait until the 2008 presidential elections to get them back.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-05-02 02:48am

There is no reason to boycott Canadian goods. Those soldiers did the right thing by deciding not to fight an unjust war.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-05-02 02:54am

evilcat4000 wrote:There is no reason to boycott Canadian goods. Those soldiers did the right thing by deciding not to fight an unjust war.

They weren't drafted, they volunteered. They knew full well the potential ramifications of their decision to enlist when they signed on, they're a bunch of fucking cowards.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-05-02 03:00am

evilcat4000 wrote:Those soldiers did the right thing by deciding not to fight an unjust war.

Staff Sgt. Mejia did the right thing. Like these two, Mejia refused to fight in an "unjust war", but unlike them, he also had the moral convinction to face the legal consequences of his decision. This distinction is the reason I respect Mejia and his decision, but at the same time feel nothing but contempt for those two deserters.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-05-02 04:03am

Who cares if Canada doesn't send them back? What reason other than throwing them in buttscrew prison would we have for wanting them? They won't return.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-02 04:10am

Hamel wrote:Who cares if Canada doesn't send them back? What reason other than throwing them in buttscrew prison would we have for wanting them? They won't return.

The same reason you want any other criminal extradited back. So they don't encourage this type of behavior by getting away with it. You idiot. *Smack*

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-05-02 09:30am

O'Reilly wrote:Since 9/11, the Canadian government has done the following. Refused to crack down on known terrorist organizations.

Which shall remain nameless.

Not one individual has been prosecuted for terrorist activities,

Yeah, we just let you send any suspects to Syria.

even though U.S. intelligence has identified at least 50 pro-terror outfits operating north of the border.

Which shall remain nameless.

Continued its loose immigration policies.

Policies that remain nameless.

Is allowing Islamic courts in Ontario to decide on some civil cases involving Muslims.

Some MINOR civil cases in which rulings must be agreed upon by both sides and must abide by Canadian law.

Refused to send troops to Iraq.

Oh yeah, we've really seen what a big mistake that was...

Decriminalized marijuana, making it easier for smugglers to send pot into the U.S.A.

Because pot is evil and must be destroyed. Not like say, guns that are smuggled into Canada.

And supported a quasi-legalization of heroin in the city of Vancouver.

I must say, I've never heard of this.

Its interesting that he failed to remember that Canada has SENT SEVERAL THOUSAND TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-05-02 09:38am

Rogue 9 wrote: The same reason you want any other criminal extradited back. So they don't encourage this type of behavior by getting away with it. You idiot. *Smack*

Because of course this is just like murder or armed robbery...

If it werent the military this sort of thing would at very fucking best be a civil matter.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-05-02 10:58am

So we boycott Canadian goods and services, thereby hurting legitimate, private Canadian businesses in order to get back at the government, and this makes sense...how?

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-05-02 11:03am

No, it's fucking rediculous. How could I boycott Canada if I wanted to? What the hell do I buy that comes out of Canada, or should I stop watching the Red Green Show? And Canada should give them back, although it doesn't have to. Either way, I won't lose any sleep.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-05-02 11:42am

I fucking hate the Red Green show. Tell me it was cancelled.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-02 05:31pm

Vympel wrote:I fucking hate the Red Green show. Tell me it was cancelled.

BLASPHEMY! DUCT TAPE FOREVER!

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-05-02 05:35pm

I fail to see why i should boycott canada because a few idiots decided they didn't like the idea that they might actually have to *gasp* fight after joining the military. They volunteered for the military, they knew damned well they might be called in a situation that required fighting. You have to be an idiot to not expect to be called to fight when joining the military.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-05-02 05:52pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Hamel wrote:Who cares if Canada doesn't send them back? What reason other than throwing them in buttscrew prison would we have for wanting them? They won't return.
The same reason you want any other criminal extradited back. So they don't encourage this type of behavior by getting away with it. You idiot. *Smack*

Quit being a dipshit and explain how letting two cowards self-exile themselves in this situation will set a precedent for everyone else in the military.

Exmoor Cat · Post by **Exmoor Cat** » 2004-05-02 05:54pm

Am I being cynical but surely it is cheaper for the US army to leave them right where they are? Savings made on - court martial costs; transportation costs; wages; prison maintenance costs; paperwork.

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