State of the Occupation
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State of the Occupation
I'll put my vote down as "Completely fucked".
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I only put "completely fucked" because of what Bush & Co. thought or claimed they were going to be able to do in Iraq. I think the US could bail on the place and only end up looking stupid. Iraq would then likely super duper mega fucked in the extreme, but that's not the Occupation.
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I voted 'bad but salvageable' ... suprised? Well I didn't say salvageable by whom though now did I?
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My sentiments aswell.Crown wrote:I voted 'bad but salvageable' ... suprised? Well I didn't say salvageable by whom though now did I?
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"I'd drive more people insane, but I'd have to double back and pick them up first..."
"All it takes for bullshit to thrive is for rational men to do nothing." - Kevin Farrell, B.A. Journalism.
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Fuck, I don't know, I've never been there and the media only focuses on the bad stuff. Bad but salvageable, I guess.
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Bad but salvageable. Not by the current administration, but salvagable.
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Bad but salvageable. It is comparatively quiet in the Kurd and Shiite sectors, though the prisoners drama is yet to fully manifest itself. The military pulling out of Falluja might also help calm things a bit. Am surprised some blatent bribery by the coalition has nto been happening - e.g. hearts and minds and reconstruction organisation, instead it is still treated as a warzone. Not clever.
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Bad but salvegable. The average Iraqi still doesn't seem to give a shit, there's no massive popular uprising at this point.
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With the right people making the decisions, I'm sure it could still be salvaged. However, if Team Bush stays the current course in Iraq, then I guess it's fucked...
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Its fair as occupations go; such action never goes to plan. Bush is still an idiot for doing it the way he did, but we could hardly expect things to be peachy no matter who was running it.
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Salvageable. In theory, anyway.
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Salvagable.
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With the Iraqis not giving a shit is why I said completely fucked. There apathy, IMO, is all that's required for failure.Howedar wrote:Bad but salvegable. The average Iraqi still doesn't seem to give a shit, there's no massive popular uprising at this point.
Well, what's the good stuff? Not that tired, lame, "look, a new school!" shit.Fuck, I don't know, I've never been there and the media only focuses on the bad stuff. Bad but salvageable, I guess.
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Well, I see apathy as a fixable problem. As I said, Joe Iraqi is not (yet) fanatically anti-US.Vympel wrote:With the Iraqis not giving a shit is why I said completely fucked. There apathy, IMO, is all that's required for failure.
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Apathy or indifference is not such a bad thing. It simply means that the Iraqis will go with whichever side wins.
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I'm studying for the CPA exam. Have a nice summer, and if you're down just sit back and realize that Joe is off somewhere, doing much worse than you are.
I still see it as tittering on the edge. Right now its a bunch of brushfires we're running around stamping out. If it falls into full scale civil war, we're fucked.
Not that Bushy and Co. did a great job, but its not a desaster yet.
Not that Bushy and Co. did a great job, but its not a desaster yet.
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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