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Guam wants a US carrier strike group

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Guam Bids for Carrier Strike Group
Frank Oliveri of Pacific Daily News wrote: WASHINGTON -- Basing an aircraft carrier in Guam would give the United States military a more powerful presence in the Pacific Rim and would be less expensive to operate than a base on the West Coast.

It also would translate into an economic boom for the territory.

A carrier strike group and its air wing, which employ about 5,000 officers and enlisted men and women, would bring an annual windfall to Guam of about $423 million and would create about 4,136 jobs for island residents.

Guam's bid for the carrier group has strong competition from Hawaii, which is represented in Congress by Democratic Sen. Daniel Inouye, a powerful member of the Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee.

But Delegate Madeleine Bordallo said she's making the island's case to anyone who will listen. And Guam already is the home of Andersen Air Force Base and a growing submarine squadron.

''There is a reason (Navy officials) have moved those subs and that flight of B-52s to Guam,'' said John Pike of Globalsecurity.org, a Washington, D.C.-based think tank. ''It gives them a front row seat.''

Basing a carrier off Guam also would save the Navy money by reducing the number of days each year that a carrier is required to cross the Pacific Ocean. And the submarines that will be based in Guam could support a carrier strike group.

''Guam is its own floating aircraft carrier,'' Pike said.
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The island offers another advantage: It would allow a carrier's air wing to stay in Guam to train.

The Navy refused to comment on Guam's potential as home port to a carrier group. But Navy studies of the island's ability to host a submarine base found several shortcomings:

Major overhauls of the carrier would have to be done on the mainland.

The Navy might need to expand pier space, maintenance facilities, housing, schools, stores and medical facilities, which could cost in excess of $200 million, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Guam lacks housing and job opportunities, neither of which is a significant problem in Hawaii. The Navy is conducting a $1.8 million study to assess Pearl Harbor as a possible location for a carrier. The Navy also conducted an extensive environmental impact statement in 1999 that found Hawaii undesirable because it lacked an air station that could be used to train fighter pilots.

Guam, home to the vast runway of Andersen Air Force Base and in close proximity to the Northern Mariana Islands bombing range in Farallon de Medinilla, has no such problem. Farallon de Medinilla, a 206-acre island about 45 miles north of Saipan, is the military's only live-fire training location in the western Pacific.

Also, Apra Harbor will be dredged to 50 feet this coming year, as the Navy prepares to base three attack submarines on Guam.

''The people of Guam would like more protection and security,'' said Bordallo. ''Because of our strategic location, I'm going to continue to make the case for Guam.''
Close to hot spots

Experts point out that Guam is closer than Hawaii to international trouble spots like the Philippines and Indonesia, where terrorism is on the rise, and to North Korea, Taiwan and China.

Japan hosts a non-nuclear aircraft carrier but has no intention of hosting a nuclear carrier. The United States will decommission its last two conventionally powered carriers by 2014.

Bordallo, who can vote in House committees but not on the House floor, is reluctant to address Hawaii's strengths or weaknesses as a carrier base, preferring to point out Guam's strategic place in the Pacific.

She noted that Guam is many hours closer to the Asian continent than Hawaii and said members of Hawaii's congressional delegation have been among Guam's strongest allies.

Inouye, however, pointed out that the Navy would have to invest billions of dollars to move a carrier to Guam.

''Hawaii is not struck by a typhoon every year,'' he said. ''When that happens, you are not worried about steam time. You get out of the way.''

He also said Guam has little room for the support craft that are required to move an aircraft carrier.

''Where will they be berthed?'' Inouye asked.

Bordallo countered that, ''A carrier is not just about a boat. It is about an air wing.

''We have the biggest air base in the Pacific,'' she said. ''We have unrestricted airspace. When (Defense Secretary Donald) Rumsfeld saw all that airstrip, he was shocked. We think we are in the running.''
Economic boom for the territory, NO SHIT!.

The amount of money someone is going to have to spend to make it so all the people necessary to the operation of a carrier and it's air wing off of Guam don't go stir crazy is going to be ridiculous.
Basing a carrier off Guam also would save the Navy money by reducing the number of days each year that a carrier is required to cross the Pacific Ocean. And the submarines that will be based in Guam could support a carrier strike group.
This part is BS. Carriers from the West Coast would still be doing their rotations in the Pacific. So it might save money when it's that carrier's turn in the rotation but that's it. Unless that ship is only going to hang around Asia.

There also doesn't appear to be any talk about the military people taking their families with them. Even if they did, getting your family to go to Hawaii or Japan is a lot different than getting them to go to Guam.
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Meh, while I'm not sure that moving a carrier to Guam is a great idea, its not like the island is barren. There is a nice little resort city with all the modern comforts; Pizza Hut to Tonny Rama's. From beach bars to strip bars. Ect..
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Knife wrote:Meh, while I'm not sure that moving a carrier to Guam is a great idea, its not like the island is barren. There is a nice little resort city with all the modern comforts; Pizza Hut to Tonny Rama's. From beach bars to strip bars. Ect..
True, and from what I recall about the population of the island it could probably handle another 10,000 people or so but the USN would certainly be shelling out some bucks to get everything set up and moved out there.

I was also interested in the environmental impact hinted at for one of the reasons Hawaii might not want a carrier. It doesn't go into details but I do wonder if these are real concerns or the concerns of borderline environmental wackos. :?
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Tsyroc wrote: I was also interested in the environmental impact hinted at for one of the reasons Hawaii might not want a carrier. It doesn't go into details but I do wonder if these are real concerns or the concerns of borderline environmental wackos. :?


Well, Hawaii certainly has its share of anti-military-ists ... they got the Army to stop live-fire practice in the Makua Valley because of environmental damage, and IIRC they tried to force their way into a press conference to protest plans to base a brigade of Strykers her.
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Iirc other than the base and airport already there, rest of the island is completely off-limits for any development.
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Guam?
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Mr Bean wrote:Guam?
Wooohooo! Japan Rules! Beer in Vending Machines!
I think Guam had beer in vending machines when I was there but I could be mistaken. I'm sure they'll get that changed if they decide to put a carrier there. :?
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I think Guam had beer in vending machines when I was there but I could be mistaken. I'm sure they'll get that changed if they decide to put a carrier there.
Bwhwhhwaaa its Legal there! Like I said Japan rules, Beer was not always in vending machines it just happened

Much to the delight of all

..... Oh shit I just remebered what else we will be sticking there to keep track of the carrier, and knowing Devolpment cycles it will probably be finished right around the time of my next tour :shock:

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Mr Bean wrote: ..... Oh shit I just remebered what else we will be sticking there to keep track of the carrier, and knowing Devolpment cycles it will probably be finished right around the time of my next tour :shock:
Just keep telling yourself, "at least it's not Diego Garcia or Aidak, Alaska..." :D
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Its probably not physically possibul to pack all the extra support facilities onto Guam, its not a small island but most of it is a tightly protected nature preserve. The money will never be forthcoming anyway, billions is no exaggeration. What may however happen is that Guam is used as a point to swap carrier crews during extended deployments as the USN is trying to be more flexible in its CVBG deployment, maintenance and training schedule
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Mr Bean wrote:Guam?
Wooohooo! Japan Rules! Beer in Vending Machines!
Korea and Germany are like that too. :wink:
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Just keep telling yourself, "at least it's not Diego Garcia or Aidak, Alaska..."
FUCK AIDAK FUCK AIDAK FUCK AIDAK!
Let that stand for the record that Bean has spoken and Aidak shall never be mentioned agian

Unfourtionaly I'm going to Diego in eight months or so I can't knock it till I've been there though I do know a few things(256k/128k DSL for 200$ a month? I'll pay)

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I think having an entire CVBG at Guam is silly.

However, I see no issue with housing a CVN on it's lonesome once the Shitty Kitty decoms and we're unable to stage a carry outta Yokosuka.
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Lonestar wrote:I think having an entire CVBG at Guam is silly.

However, I see no issue with housing a CVN on it's lonesome once the Shitty Kitty decoms and we're unable to stage a carry outta Yokosuka.
That really wouldn't make any sense, since the carrier can blaze across the Pacific at 30 knots if it wants to. It's more logical to forward base some or all of the escorts then the carrier, espically the USN's increasing important and numerous Burke class destroyers which have terrible range, just 4,400 miles at economical speeds.
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Mr Bean wrote:
Just keep telling yourself, "at least it's not Diego Garcia or Aidak, Alaska..."
FUCK AIDAK FUCK AIDAK FUCK AIDAK!
Let that stand for the record that Bean has spoken and Aidak shall never be mentioned agian

Unfourtionaly I'm going to Diego in eight months or so I can't knock it till I've been there though I do know a few things(256k/128k DSL for 200$ a month? I'll pay)
Poor guy, couldn't handle the Aluetian storms at Adak Naval Air Station? Course the island makes Guam look big. Its not meant to be much more then an little airstrip to launch P3s from. From time to time Elmendorf will send out its F-15s for training out there.
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Guam?
Wooohooo! Japan Rules! Beer in Vending Machines!
Guam also gets alot of Japanese tourist. Saipan is quiet close by, perhaps they could spread it around alittle? Pretty sure it's not a great idea but Guam really isn't set up for another 10,000+ people.
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Guam?
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Guam also gets alot of Japanese tourist. Saipan is quiet close by, perhaps they could spread it around alittle? Pretty sure it's not a great idea but Guam really isn't set up for another 10,000+ people.
Neither is Taipan or Saipan tough. Hell, there's only like a hundred or so natives on Taipan and not that many more on Saipan.
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Mr Bean wrote:FUCK AIDAK FUCK AIDAK FUCK AIDAK!
Let that stand for the record that Bean has spoken and Aidak shall never be mentioned agian

Unfourtionaly I'm going to Diego in eight months or so I can't knock it till I've been there though I do know a few things(256k/128k DSL for 200$ a month? I'll pay)

Definately a CT. :lol: You guys get to go to some of the absolute best places. :D

I guess we'll be seeing you online all the time (like in the early days of the board) when you get to Diego Garcia. :)
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Frank Oliveri of Pacific Daily News wrote: A carrier strike group and its air wing, which employ about 5,000 officers and enlisted men and women, would bring an annual windfall to Guam of about $423 million and would create about 4,136 jobs for island residents.
About 4,136? :wtf:
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Metrion Cascade wrote:
Frank Oliveri of Pacific Daily News wrote: A carrier strike group and its air wing, which employ about 5,000 officers and enlisted men and women, would bring an annual windfall to Guam of about $423 million and would create about 4,136 jobs for island residents.
About 4,136? :wtf:
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I guess we'll be seeing you online all the time (like in the early days of the board) when you get to Diego Garcia.
Damn right you will, no sleep for me, its either on the Nicenet on the floor or on my laptop at hellho... I mean the CT Barracks(Least its not Tent City agian)

Anyway you know what the worst part is?

On the Island of Diego Garcia, Porn is illegal

Lucky your traped on an island with a bunch of people in a rate thats rapidly going female centric in a place that flows with beer, even the soda mess's normaly have beer for twice the normal going rate(And the sobering up before watch time is normaly fifteen minutes :P )

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[quote="Mr Bean"]
Damn right you will, no sleep for me, its either on the Nicenet on the floor or on my laptop at hellho... I mean the CT Barracks(Least its not Tent City agian)

Anyway you know what the worst part is?

On the Island of Diego Garcia, Porn is illegal

Well, at least that helps to answer one of my questions....... If you get there, see if you can find out who the father that impregnated the AMC gal, willya?
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PainRack wrote:
Mr Bean wrote: Damn right you will, no sleep for me, its either on the Nicenet on the floor or on my laptop at hellho... I mean the CT Barracks(Least its not Tent City agian)



Well, at least that helps to answer one of my questions....... If you get there, see if you can find out who the father that impregnated the AMC gal, willya?
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Anyway you know what the worst part is?

On the Island of Diego Garcia, Porn is illegal

Well, at least that helps to answer one of my questions....... If you get there, see if you can find out who the father that impregnated the Zimmerman contractor willya?
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A-school buddy of mine went to Diego Mr. Bean...he had a grand ole time.
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