STGOD 4 OOC Thread

[Shark Bait]

Once more the size is changing. Armor is limited anyway and firepower mostly works on ships that dont have energy sheilds up so everything is being tweeked i'm sorry i miss calculated.

Hey, not a big deal at all. Momentary confusion is unavoidable, and we were all new to this at some point.

thanks for understanding

[Rogue 9]

I keep getting this picture of Earth as seen in the Halo 2 trailer. *Shudder*

Darksider, why the hell didn't you let me take care of that? Solid projectiles aren't going to cook off atmosphere and I have the biggest armada the Republic's ever assembled in the system.

[Darksider]

I keep getting this picture of Earth as seen in the Halo 2 trailer. *Shudder*

Darksider, why the hell didn't you let me take care of that? Solid projectiles aren't going to cook off atmosphere and I have the biggest armada the Republic's ever assembled in the system.

You weren't doing shit, and Straha told me his shields would protect from the side effects. It was either act, or let the Overseer fleet turn earth into a radioactive wasteland.

[SirNitram]

Evil will always win, because Good is DUMB!

Sorry, had to. Come on, I threw an entire godsdamn armada in there, most of my forces, I think I earned one burnt out planet.

[Rogue 9]

I wasn't doing shit because I have finals. I can't sit in front of my computer all day. Now I'm back to discover that the battle I'm going to join is over. For the fourth or fifth time this STGOD. >_<

[Darksider]

Evil will always win, because Good is DUMB!

Sorry, had to. Come on, I threw an entire godsdamn armada in there, most of my forces, I think I earned one burnt out planet.

Look, Straha said his shields blocked most of the damage, and that it only compounded what was already done by you.

[SirNitram]

Evil will always win, because Good is DUMB!

Sorry, had to. Come on, I threw an entire godsdamn armada in there, most of my forces, I think I earned one burnt out planet.

Look, Straha said his shields blocked most of the damage, and that it only compounded what was already done by you.

I'm sorry, you can't destroy an entire warfleet in atmosphere and not leave the planet in a state that can still support life. Not with the amount of firepower we throw around. And not with the fleet having, what, an hour to toss firepower down on the world. The energy does not magically go away because of shields.

[Marcao]

-ooc- I reckon that even purpose-built combat Escorts rarely hit outside of the low megaton range, with the exception of purpose-built bombardment craft or missile tube vessels. I doubt a transport hybrid fleet would be capable of sterilizing a spread-out advance while simultaneously dealing with enemy fire, without at leasr accurate spotting from the ground.

what sort of firepower do your escorts mount? I don't make excuses for Laz and his fucked up OOB, but I don't like the idea of you simply shrugging aside -76- escort equivalents. It doesn't make me feel good. I am assuming that their sensor systems which were built for space ranges, was capable enough to target ground forces and sites. I am not sterilizing your sites, and if you notice I am not calling any damage. But those ships will have some effect on the battlefield and you were either unwilling or unable to display those effects. How you handle the post is entirely up to you, I simply did not agree with your last post about the transports.

[Thirdfain]

I agree with Nitram. This fleet represented most, if not all, his vessels. You fired gigatons of firepower down at him, all the while he was firing down into the planet below. I would like to state that if Earth is anything more than a wasteland with a handful of survivors in the hardened positions forced to put on environmental suits when visiting the surface, I will be very dissapointed indeed.

[Marcao]

Yay! I can now try and catch up with the entire Earth mess.

[Thirdfain]

space forces are VERY different targets than soldiers on the ground. A starship emits tons of emissions, and is a lone patch of hot material in an otherwise cold, homogenous void. If we didn't limit non-general orbital bombardments to requiring spotters, this battle would have cost me far less as my warships precisely clensed your landing forces from the world beneath in a short period of time. Your frigates, dealing with heavy ECM and fire from the ground and air, would be in a bad position to be providing precision fire- add that to the fact my troops are advancing under monacoran theater shields, and I don't see my troops taking more than 15-20% casualties.

As for firepower on escorts, I figure that most of their guns are kiloton range, with the exception of my Vampire line of Torpedo Frigates, which are built around a single capital-scale torpedo tube which would, of course, hit for many megatons of firepower. I think that an escort bringing all it's guns to bear would deal a couple megatons of firepower- but such a situation is unliekly to exist when said escort is maneuvering wildly to avoid fighters and orbital fire.

[Marcao]

space forces are VERY different targets than soldiers on the ground. A starship emits tons of emissions, and is a lone patch of hot material in an otherwise cold, homogenous void. If we didn't limit non-general orbital bombardments to requiring spotters, this battle would have cost me far less as my warships precisely clensed your landing forces from the world beneath in a short period of time. Your frigates, dealing with heavy ECM and fire from the ground and air, would be in a bad position to be providing precision fire- add that to the fact my troops are advancing under monacoran theater shields, and I don't see my troops taking more than 15-20% casualties.

cool beans, I will keep that in mind for the future.

As for firepower on escorts, I figure that most of their guns are kiloton range, with the exception of my Vampire line of Torpedo Frigates, which are built around a single capital-scale torpedo tube which would, of course, hit for many megatons of firepower. I think that an escort bringing all it's guns to bear would deal a couple megatons of firepower- but such a situation is unliekly to exist when said escort is maneuvering wildly to avoid fighters and orbital fire.

woah. I was under the impression that escorts were packing at least low megaton guns, considering that DS9 had quantum torps? o.O!

[Thirdfain]

I don't know. I could be WAY off, I just have always been under that impression, I personally think the descriptions of photon torps as being 64 megaton weapons as being total bullshit (I've seen the show, and seen those things hit hulls, they do NOT release 64 megatons of explosive force.) I also feel that a transport (even one listed as a warship) would mount significantly less weaponry than a purpose-built warship. If your vessels were all Strike Frigates, for instance, I'd post differently- but a transport/DD hybrid wouldn't be mounting anti-capship armament, probably anti-escort and PD at most.

[Marcao]

I don't know. I could be WAY off, I just have always been under that impression, I personally think the descriptions of photon torps as being 64 megaton weapons as being total bullshit (I've seen the show, and seen those things hit hulls, they do NOT release 64 megatons of explosive force.) I also feel that a transport (even one listed as a warship) would mount significantly less weaponry than a purpose-built warship. If your vessels were all Strike Frigates, for instance, I'd post differently- but a transport/DD hybrid wouldn't be mounting anti-capship armament, probably anti-escort and PD at most.

I think most people agree with that assesment, but it does bring up the question of what the "galactic average" for firepower is. It would be good information to have for the future. When it comes to the troop transports, I am more than willing to accept your posts. It was not my OOB, and I think the posts were equitable for the most part. I no longer have a complaint in that regard. The Krynnor are no more, and I for one have no regrets. I gotta say though, I am happy to be jumping back into my Veithan skin.

[Thirdfain]

I don't feel that the damage to earth has been extensive enough as posted. Is anyone else in agreement, or disagreement? Why or why not? I think this needs to be addressed.

[Darksider]

I don't feel that the damage to earth has been extensive enough as posted. Is anyone else in agreement, or disagreement? Why or why not? I think this needs to be addressed.

The only reason I fired that barrage is because Straha said that his secondary shields would hold off most of the damage, and it was better to smash Nitram's fleet than let it hit earth with cobalt bombs.

I NEVER would have attacked if I didn't believe otherwise. So if you think earth should be a black rock in space, we need to do the whole damnd battle over again.

[Straha]

I don't feel that the damage to earth has been extensive enough as posted. Is anyone else in agreement, or disagreement? Why or why not? I think this needs to be addressed.

If you want I could raise the damage more. 1/2 of the civvies dead, more cities destroyed, etc. BUt I think Earth would still be semi-habitable, then, if we acted quickly enough, we could stop the damage before it festers, and start to save the planet.

Is that acceptable?

[SirNitram]

Having thrown myself out of the STGOD for in-universe years, I am slightly vexed Earth is going to be fine and dandy in a month. Over a thousand railguns were arrayed against that planet for over an hour of firing, I daresay that's going to cause enough atmospheric loading and ionizing radiation to be a little long term in the damage. The destruction of ships inside the atmosphere, the massive bombing sprees, and the sort of nasty toxic crap that reactionless drives run on will simply compound it.

[Thirdfain]

The only reason I fired that barrage is because Straha said that his secondary shields would hold off most of the damage, and it was better to smash Nitram's fleet than let it hit earth with cobalt bombs.

I NEVER would have attacked if I didn't believe otherwise. So if you think earth should be a black rock in space, we need to do the whole damnd battle over again.

Regardless of the weapons used, you would be exploding gigatons worth of firepower in Earth's atmosphere, and many, many shots would miss, striking the world below. Add to this the fact that the fragmenting vessels are pouring radioactive waste across the planet, I would expect extensive poisoning of the world.

If you want I could raise the damage more. 1/2 of the civvies dead, more cities destroyed, etc. BUt I think Earth would still be semi-habitable, then, if we acted quickly enough, we could stop the damage before it festers, and start to save the planet.

Is that acceptable?

3/4 dead and at least half a year to fix the atmosphere. Fair enought?

Remember, folks- Nitram essentially sacrificed his entire military against Earth- and Earth left undefended while the Krynor situation was being dealth with, so it wasn't even as if he was attacking at any old time; he was attacking it at it's most vulnerable. I would expect massive casualties, and the deaths of at least some heads of state- recall that the shielded bunkers were specifically targetted.

[Straha]

Having thrown myself out of the STGOD for in-universe years, I am slightly vexed Earth is going to be fine and dandy in a month.

No, no, no. I think I said that the rebuilding time would take fifty years, didn't I? The reference to a month was removing excess radiation, and the end of the "controlling the damage" period. After that it gets worse, and then better.

Sorry if I didn't put it that explicitly in the post.

[Straha]

3/4 dead and at least half a year to fix the atmosphere. Fair enought?

How about 1/2 dead, 1/4 wounded in some way. The Atmosphere and Enviroment are detiorating, but if we act now we can stop the decay in a month, and restore it in half a year?

[Bugsby]

Yeah. Earth is wasted. Sad but true. I actually kind of like it, though... it puts a very apolcalyptic spin on things that you rarely get. So much for the Peace of Terra, eh?

Earth should not look like the MOON now, but I think 50 years before normal habitation is available is acceptable, and even longer before it can support a flourishing population. But do keep in mind, with terraforming tech these days, we can fix just about ANYTHING.

And Darksider, while I understand your trepidation at letting Earth go to hell, it was inevitable considering what was going on. We either burn it ourselves in the process of taking out Nitram or let him do it for us. This is a (realistic) best-case scenario.

[Pablo Sanchez]

Okay, here's what I think:

Earth is physically habitable but extremely uncomfortable and useless. Industry and infrastructure has been smashed, along with a majority of the cities and much of the urban population. Radiation and toxic materials have made large areas unliveable, and the energy transferred has melted the icecaps and flooded the coastal lowlands (displacing a sizeable portion of the population which survived). Global weather patterns are completely changed and will probably never be the same.

A concerted effort could stabilize Earth to a survivable level (as in, people are capable of living there without constant aid from above) within a year, but a complete recovery might never be acheived.

[Thirdfain]

Straha, I think it's safe to say that, facing our combined firepower, the resistance on Sparta has collapsed. So, go crazy, send the refugees there.

[Rogue 9]

I just posted an offer to take refugees. I have a couple low-habitation worlds in the core systems.