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Article 15 Investigation on the MPs in Iraq,

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ARTICLE 15-6 INVESTIGATION OF THE 800th MILITARY POLICE BRIGADE
18. (U) In addition to poor morale and staff inefficiencies, I find that the 800th MP Brigade did not articulate or enforce clear and basic Soldier and Army standards. I specifically found these examples of unenforced standards:

a. There was no clear uniform standard for any MP Soldiers assigned detention duties. Despite the fact that hundreds of former Iraqi soldiers and officers were detainees, MP personnel were allowed to wear civilian clothes in the FOB after duty hours while carrying weapons. (ANNEXES 51 and 74)

b. Some Soldiers wrote poems and other sayings on their helmets and soft caps. (ANNEXES 51 and 74)

c. In addition, numerous officers and senior NCOs have been reprimanded/disciplined for misconduct during this period. Those disciplined include; (ANNEXES 43 and 102)

1). (U) BG Janis Karpinski, Commander, 800th MP Brigade

Memorandum of Admonishment by LTG Sanchez, Commander, CJTF-7, on 17 January 2004.

2). (U) LTC (P) Jerry Phillabaum, Commander, 320th MP Battalion

GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 10 November 2003, for lack of leadership and for failing to take corrective security measures as ordered by the Brigade Commander; filed locally
Suspended by BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, 17 January 2004; Pending Relief for Cause, for dereliction of duty

3). (U) LTC Dale Burtyk, Commander, 400th MP Battalion

GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 20 August 2003, for failure to properly train his Soldiers. (Soldier had negligent discharge of M-16 while exiting his vehicle, round went into fuel tank);filed locally.

4). (U) MAJ David DiNenna, S-3, 320th MP Battalion

GOMOR from LTG McKiernan, Commander CFLCC, on 25 May 2003, for dereliction of duty for failing to report a violation of CENTCOM General Order #1 by a subordinate Field Grade Officer and Senior Noncommissioned Officer, which he personally observed; returned to soldier unfiled.
GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 10 November 03, for failing to take corrective security measures as ordered by the Brigade Commander; filed locally.

5). (U) MAJ Stacy Garrity, Finance Officer, 800th MP Brigade

GOMOR from LTG McKiernan, Commander CFLCC, on 25 May 2003, for violation of CENTCOM General Order #1, consuming alcohol with an NCO; filed locally.

6). (U) CPT Leo Merck, Commander, 870th MP Company

Court-Martial Charges Preferred, for Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Unauthorized Use of Government Computer in that he was alleged to have taken nude pictures of his female Soldiers without their knowledge; Trial date to be announced.

7). (U) CPT Damaris Morales, Commander, 770th MP Company

GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 20 August 2003, for failing to properly train his Soldiers (Soldier had negligent discharge of M-16 while exiting his vehicle, round went into fuel tank); filed locally.

8). (U) CSM Roy Clement, Command Sergeant Major, 800th MP Brigade

GOMOR and Relief for Cause from BG Janis Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, for fraternization and dereliction of duty for fraternizing with junior enlisted soldiers within his unit; GOMOR officially filed and he was removed from the CSM list.

9). (U) CSM Edward Stotts, Command Sergeant Major, 400th MP Battalion

GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 20 August 2003, for failing to properly train his Soldiers (Soldier had negligent discharge of M-16 while exiting his vehicle, round went into fuel tank); filed locally.

10). (U) 1SG Carlos Villanueva, First Sergeant, 770th MP Company

GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 20 August 2003, for failing to properly train his Soldiers (Soldier had negligent discharge of M-16 while exiting his vehicle, round went into fuel tank); filed locally.

11). (U) MSG David Maffett, NBC NCO, 800th MP Brigade,

GOMOR from LTG McKiernan, Commander CFLCC, on 25 May 2003, for violation of CENTCOM General Order #1, consuming alcohol; filed locally.

12) (U) SGM Marc Emerson, Operations SGM, 320th MP Battalion,

· Two GO Letters of Concern and a verbal reprimand from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, for failing to adhere to the guidance/directives given to him by BG Karpinski; filed locally.

d. (U) Saluting of officers was sporadic and not enforced. LTC Robert P. Walters, Jr., Commander of the 165th Military Intelligence Battalion (Tactical Exploitation), testified that the saluting policy was enforced by COL Pappas for all MI personnel, and that BG Karpinski approached COL Pappas to reverse the saluting policy back to a no-saluting policy as previously existed. (ANNEX 53)
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooo....Karpinski might be facing a court
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Anybody know what the punishment for a negligent discharge is in the US Army? In the Canadian Army it's a 1200$ fine.

Looks like 800 MP Brigade has a lot of problems.
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Voyuerism? :wtf:
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Just read that list. Someone is going to get spanked hard by the UCMJ for this. Or I should say several someone's.
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I would just like to say that, as a former MP, I am disgusted to the point of being physically nauseous over this behavior. These fuckwits have absolutely demolished the credibility and integrity of an entire corps. How can I possibly make my claims of MP's being the epitome of integrity and the importance to an MP of being morally (According to the UCMJ) and ethically beyond reproach when something like this happens? I am completely and totally ashamed.
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Chardok wrote:I would just like to say that, as a former MP, I am disgusted to the point of being physically nauseous over this behavior. These fuckwits have absolutely demolished the credibility and integrity of an entire corps. How can I possibly make my claims of MP's being the epitome of integrity and the importance to an MP of being morally (According to the UCMJ) and ethically beyond reproach when something like this happens? I am completely and totally ashamed.
I can see your shame, this is really a downright amazing set of events that has over the course of a week or so completely shattered already shaky PR with the Western public and Arabic world.

Heads are going to roll for this.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote: I can see your shame, this is really a downright amazing set of events that has over the course of a week or so completely shattered already shaky PR with the Western public and Arabic world.

Heads are going to roll for this.
Don't kid yourself, only those lowest on the totem pole will be punished for this. The end result of the Canadian Somali incident was that a Pvt who had only kicked the prisoner twice was convicted of torture and murder. All those higher up the chain of command got off scott free. I anticipate that that is exactly what will happen here, it's the military way.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:I anticipate that that is exactly what will happen here, it's the military way.
Don't be so sure, BGEN Karpanski (SP) might be getting arseraped for her
attempts to shift the blame off onto others on those sunday morning talk shows
a few weeks back.
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MKSheppard wrote: Don't be so sure, BGEN Karpanski (SP) might be getting arseraped for her
attempts to shift the blame off onto others on those sunday morning talk shows
a few weeks back.
I sincerely hope that I am wrong on this and that everyone up the chain of command gets punished for this. If it happens then I will be pleasantly surprised.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote: I can see your shame, this is really a downright amazing set of events that has over the course of a week or so completely shattered already shaky PR with the Western public and Arabic world.

Heads are going to roll for this.
Don't kid yourself, only those lowest on the totem pole will be punished for this. The end result of the Canadian Somali incident was that a Pvt who had only kicked the prisoner twice was convicted of torture and murder. All those higher up the chain of command got off scott free. I anticipate that that is exactly what will happen here, it's the military way.
Different spanks for different ranks. Occifers hav e*usually* gotton off lighter than enlisted. However this might not be the case here.
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Two things first
Anybody know what the punishment for a negligent discharge is in the US Army? In the Canadian Army it's a 1200$ fine.
Dishonroble discharge, is normaly punishment enough, roughly 40% of US Companys CAN NOT by law hire you and if caught are in line for multiple 100k fines, and the other 60% won't hire you with a Dishonrable discharge on your record

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7). (U) CPT Damaris Morales, Commander, 770th MP Company

GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 20 August 2003, for failing to properly train his Soldiers (Soldier had negligent discharge of M-16 while exiting his vehicle, round went into fuel tank); filed locally.
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Mr Bean wrote: SNIP...

Lucky bastard to be alive
What type of vehicle was he exiting? If a hummer, the fuel should not ignite when a rifle round penetrates the tank.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:Anybody know what the punishment for a negligent discharge is in the US Army? In the Canadian Army it's a 1200$ fine.

Looks like 800 MP Brigade has a lot of problems.
It depends upon the circumstances. It is usually an Article 15 offense, unless of course someone is hurt or killed, in which case it can go to a court martial.
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jegs2 wrote: It depends upon the circumstances. It is usually an Article 15 offense, unless of course someone is hurt or killed, in which case it can go to a court martial.
What does an Article 15 offence mean?
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Cpl Kendall wrote:What does an Article 15 offence mean?
An Article 15 is a form of nonjudicial punishment in the US Army. As a commander, I read one Article 15, punishing one of my soldiers for misconduct.
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jegs2 wrote:
Cpl Kendall wrote:What does an Article 15 offence mean?
An Article 15 is a form of nonjudicial punishment in the US Army. As a commander, I read one Article 15, punishing one of my soldiers for misconduct.
Thanks jegs2, I understand now. We have a similar procedure in the Canadian Armed Forces, it's called a summary investigation.
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