Moore admits Disney "ban" was a stunt

[Lord Poe]

Because I just had to!

[18-Till-I-Die]

Very funny.

Oh, no wait, it isnt. It isnt very funny, thats the word i was looking for.

[Joe]

Good one, Poe.

And 18, lighten the fuck up for god's sake.

[Gandalf]

Very funny.

Oh, no wait, it isnt. It isnt very funny, thats the word i was looking for.

The man engaged is massive hypocrisy, he deserves mockery.

[Vympel]

Not that inane, nitpicking 'fake documentary' crap again.

[18-Till-I-Die]

But seriously, to hell with all this bashing, who care sif it was a hoax or wanst or whatever, i still have loads more respect for Moore than Bush on the simple fact that as far as i know his 'stunt', if you must call it that, hasnt gotten anyone killed. You know what i fucking mean, unless i misread every casualty report in the last year.

I senserly hope the move blows out the box office, since it'll be much better for Disney than Moore, as they'll be recuping from Pixar telling them to hit the road.

And just for the road, i hope the movie slams Bush so hard his snot-nosed dogs cry and run for cover. Yeah, i'm a hate-filled far-left bastard, i know.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Ok, that last line was a little retarded of me, but the rest stands.

[Rogue 9]

Do you know the general premise of the movie, perchance? It alleges that Bush orchestrated the World Trade Center attacks. Not just Bush's job of handling it, it says "Bush did it!" I do not blame Disney in the least for not distributing it. I wouldn't; that's insanity.

[Master of Ossus]

Do you know the general premise of the movie, perchance? It alleges that Bush orchestrated the World Trade Center attacks. Not just Bush's job of handling it, it says "Bush did it!" I do not blame Disney in the least for not distributing it. I wouldn't; that's insanity.

NTM the fact that the whole thing is a hoax.

[Joe]

I don't think Fahrenheit 911 alleges that Bush orchestrated that 9/11, just that he didn't do enough to stop it.

[Iceberg]

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that ANYBODY with an operating brain can think that a guy hiring a Canadian firm to do his website is remotely comparable to corporations outsourcing IT development jobs to India for pennies on the dollar.

[Joe]

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that ANYBODY with an operating brain can think that a guy hiring a Canadian firm to do his website is remotely comparable to corporations outsourcing IT development jobs to India for pennies on the dollar.

And why exactly isn't it comparable?

[Iceberg]

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that ANYBODY with an operating brain can think that a guy hiring a Canadian firm to do his website is remotely comparable to corporations outsourcing IT development jobs to India for pennies on the dollar.

And why exactly isn't it comparable?

1: The work isn't REMOTELY comparable. In a typical website development, the content is copyright by the owner of the site while the site layout is copyright by the developer. In the corporate outsourcing scheme, the corporation owns everything, lock stock and barrel.

2: Canadian standards of living and pay scales are comparable often USD dollar for USD dollar with their American counterparts. A big part of the moral outrage over outsourcing is exploiting college-educated foreign workers to perform the same work as their American counterparts for a tenth or less as much pay.

[Darth Wong]

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that ANYBODY with an operating brain can think that a guy hiring a Canadian firm to do his website is remotely comparable to corporations outsourcing IT development jobs to India for pennies on the dollar.

And why exactly isn't it comparable?

Wages between Canada and the US are relatively comparable, particularly with the weak American dollar. Same goes for environmental regulations, labour laws, etc. In short, most of the arguments which are used to show that third-world outsourcing is unethical do not apply to Canada for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that Canada is not a third-world nation. Duh.

[Master of Ossus]

Wages between Canada and the US are relatively comparable, particularly with the weak American dollar. Same goes for environmental regulations, labour laws, etc. In short, most of the arguments which are used to show that third-world outsourcing is unethical do not apply to Canada for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that Canada is not a third-world nation. Duh.

While I agree that Moore's decision to contract a Canadian firm to run his website is not what would traditionally be considered outsourcing, it does qualify by Michael Moore's definition of outsourcing, since he insists that jobs be kept within American borders, as well as within the First World. The difference I see is that he had never employed a US firm to run his website, and so by contracting to a Canadian firm he never cost an American worker his job.

[Gandalf]

But seriously, to hell with all this bashing, who care sif it was a hoax or wanst or whatever, i still have loads more respect for Moore than Bush on the simple fact that as far as i know his 'stunt', if you must call it that, hasnt gotten anyone killed. You know what i fucking mean, unless i misread every casualty report in the last year.

I may just be beating a dead horse here, but have you read his books?

He spends the majority of them complaining about lies from the government/big business. About how Bush is creating a fake terror situation, that life is under threat etc.

Moore is doing the same thing with this hoax, that he is being persecuted for his work and views.

See what I'm getting at?

[18-Till-I-Die]

But seriously, to hell with all this bashing, who care sif it was a hoax or wanst or whatever, i still have loads more respect for Moore than Bush on the simple fact that as far as i know his 'stunt', if you must call it that, hasnt gotten anyone killed. You know what i fucking mean, unless i misread every casualty report in the last year.

I may just be beating a dead horse here, but have you read his books?

He spends the majority of them complaining about lies from the government/big business. About how Bush is creating a fake terror situation, that life is under threat etc.

Moore is doing the same thing with this hoax, that he is being persecuted for his work and views.

See what I'm getting at?

Yes, he's a hyocrit. I concede that.

But because he lied about ONE movie, doesnt make it equal or even close to the bulshitting the government has done. I can see the similarity, but it isnt anywhere as bad nor has it cost ANYONE their life.

[Col. Crackpot]

Yes, he's a hyocrit. I concede that.

But because he lied about ONE movie, doesnt make it equal or even close to the bulshitting the government has done. I can see the similarity, but it isnt anywhere as bad nor has it cost ANYONE their life.

you don't find that the least bit distateful? the man has made his career on exposing the lies and manipulations of others in the pursuit of making obscene ammounts of money. And now he lies and manipulates (mostly his own sycophants, but i digress) people to make obscene ammounts of money. How can he be taken seriously in an intellectual debate when he is profiting from the very actions he supposedly despises?

Hey, Mr Moore? Oxford called they need your picture. It's going on page 2476 next to the word fraud.

[BoredShirtless]

Michael Moore DID NOT LIE! Nor did he admit this was a publicity stunt [I'm looking at you, thread title]. Did anybody actually read the transcript from Poe?

[jegs2]

That's why i'm seeing Moore's film, and thats why i'm voting for Kerry.

Strikes up the tune:
When Johnny comes marching home, we'll sing HURRAH, HURRAH...

Sometimes wish I could still get excited over politicians. The way I see it these days, they're all lying cheats. Name one that isn't, and I'll sell you a cool cottage on the moon for a really nice price.

[Joe]

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that ANYBODY with an operating brain can think that a guy hiring a Canadian firm to do his website is remotely comparable to corporations outsourcing IT development jobs to India for pennies on the dollar.

And why exactly isn't it comparable?

1: The work isn't REMOTELY comparable. In a typical website development, the content is copyright by the owner of the site while the site layout is copyright by the developer. In the corporate outsourcing scheme, the corporation owns everything, lock stock and barrel.

2: Canadian standards of living and pay scales are comparable often USD dollar for USD dollar with their American counterparts. A big part of the moral outrage over outsourcing is exploiting college-educated foreign workers to perform the same work as their American counterparts for a tenth or less as much pay.

And you've managed to completely miss Michael Moore's point. It doesn't matter WHERE you outsource jobs to, just that you're "taking away American jobs" in the process.

I wouldn't give two shits if Moore hadn't built his career bitching about companies moving jobs overseas.

[Frank Hipper]

That's why i'm seeing Moore's film, and thats why i'm voting for Kerry.

Strikes up the tune:
When Johnny comes marching home, we'll sing HURRAH, HURRAH...

Sometimes wish I could still get excited over politicians. The way I see it these days, they're all lying cheats. Name one that isn't, and I'll sell you a cool cottage on the moon for a really nice price.

Amen.
The higher up in the political food chain you go, the greater the lack of anything resembling honesty and ethics. The very act of getting so far in the game means that you have to sacrifice integrity by abandoning your principles to gain support from potential adversaries and rivals.

[Darth Wong]

And you've managed to completely miss Michael Moore's point. It doesn't matter WHERE you outsource jobs to, just that you're "taking away American jobs" in the process.

Would you care to explain how you know this to be Michael Moore's point? I haven't studied him as much as some of you people who seem to live for his destruction, but in "Roger and Me", he very clearly states that he has a problem with jobs moving to Mexico because they're moving in order to get cheap wages in places where they can exploit the local workforce (not that I necessarily agree with his logic, but you're claiming that his opposition to oursourcing is totally unrelated to the wages and labour protection laws in the destination country, and it doesn't seem that way in "Roger and Me").

On a side-note, he was much thinner in "Roger and Me". I was amazed that there was a time when he could actually fit through a standard 3 foot wide doorway. And that film starts with one of the (unintentionally) funnier Michael Moore quotes I've heard:

"It all began when my mother didn't show up for my first birthday party 'cause she was off having my sister. My Dad tried to cheer me up by letting me eat the whole cake."

He goes on to say "I knew there had to be more to life than this", but with that last sentence taken off, the quote just makes me laugh in light of his enormous girth.

[Darth Wong]

Michael Moore DID NOT LIE! Nor did he admit this was a publicity stunt [I'm looking at you, thread title]. Did anybody actually read the transcript from Poe?

True, I challenged people to provide a source showing him slandering Disney with false accusations, and Lord Poe's effort didn't really answer that challenge. Anyone else care to try?

[Joe]

snip

I may be mistaken, but his movie The Big One was all about Moore antagonizing executives who laid American workers off to take their business overseas, which is what the anti-outsourcing crowd calls "taking jobs away from Americans."