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With this guy, I decided to answer his mail because it was fairly short.


Adam McLarsen wrote:Name: Adam McLarsen
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Comments: I don't claim to be an expert on Star Trek or Star Wars, but with regard to your weapon comparison section, you said that the federation phaser was never seen blasting through armor plate. While I aggree that this has never been "seen", it has been described. in ST:FC, after Lilly is looking at picard with the HAND phaser, picard says something like "ge, you coulda vaporized half the bulkhead".
Incorrect. He said "you could have vapourized ME", not half the bulkhead.
I'm not sure 100% about this one, but I do remember that in a TNG episode (the one where riker thinks hes going crazy in some prison, but really hes being held prisoner and his mind uses the images of a play he is rehearsing to stay sane) he says "this phaser is set to level 15, now if i fire, it should be enough to take out half of this building." Yet again, im not sure word for word, but I know im close enough to get the general idea accross. While im not sure (like so many other things) about the assumed composition of the prision, i am sure the the enterprise is made from primarily duranium, which is very, very strong.
You forgot the part about how he was on drugs and how he may have been bluffing in order to threaten his way out of the prison complex. We have never actually SEEN a phaser cause that level of destruction.
Also, the federation does indeed have a dedicated sniper weapon. In Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country at the end, there is a sniper trying to kill the fed president. Checkov knocks him away just in time. This weapon clearly had a scope and a shoulder stock.
Incorrect. It's a Klingon sniper rifle, Kirk shoved him away rather than Chekov, and the range was not far enough away to require an actual sniper rifle. Any soldier with a modern M-16 could have made that shot easily.
Sorry to comment in another box, but i came across another thing that i thought was untrue. You say that the federation shoulder weapon is equal or less potent than the current LAW, but this is not true.

Firstly, the weapon may have been set to a low setting, Federation weapons have been observed to do everythin from warm a rock, to discentergrate an entire body.
None of which give them as much armour penetration power as a LAW, particularly since body disintegration is OBVIOUSLY a chain reaction of some sort since it eats through the bodies even after the weapon has been turned off. Moreover, your speculation about how it "may" have been set low does not constitute evidence.
Secondly, the LAW is a single shot weapon, and cannot be reloaded (a new launch cylinder must be used, and the expended one is often thrown away)
True, however the LAW still has more observed power than Worf's bazooka, and it is by no means the only one. Hell, even the M203 40mm grenade launcher (which IS reasily reloaded) will be more effective.
Thirdly, the Federation weapon would proballly have no ballistic properties as the LAW has.
Which is totally irrelevant to your claim that it is more powerful.
The federation has EVA suits, granted theyre not body armor, but its stil protection against heat, cold, and radiation.
Not combat suits; their mobility in those suits is so poor that they might as well just paint bullseyes on their chests and wait for the enemy to shoot them.
Regarding the lethality of the new fed phaser rifle, as that fed weapons have varying lethality potential, just because a target isnt vaporized, does not mean that it cant be. It could be that attacking a borg takes more power, or that they were conserving power for more shots. Also, conside adding the new fed compression rifles, the one on VOY. They seem to be more modern, although i have no idea how powerful they are.
Again, no evidence whatsoever for the powerful Fed weapons you are alluding to.
About the lack of ergonomics in hand phasers; I totally aggre with you that they have poor ergonomoics, but I once read that this was gene roddenberry's attempt to make federation weapons seem as distant from contemporary weapons as possible. (i believe he succeded)
Of course it was. That doesn't change the fact that the weapons have horrible ergonomics.



At least he seemed reasonably concise, made no claims of superior expertise, and may have merely been operating from a few misconceptions rather than being a blithering idiot or a lunatic like some of the people who E-mail me.
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I assume that's why you were so polite in this round.
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Darth Wong wrote: Incorrect. It's a Klingon sniper rifle, Kirk shoved him away rather than Chekov, and the range was not far enough away to require an actual sniper rifle. Any soldier with a modern M-16 could have made that shot easily.
That shot could probably have been reliably made with a rifled musket for that matter. Anything remotely modern would do it easily.

True, however the LAW still has more observed power than Worf's bazooka, and it is by no means the only one. Hell, even the M203 40mm grenade launcher (which IS reasily reloaded) will be more effective.
There are plenty of reloadabul light anti armor weapons anyway, most notably the RPG-7 which is easily the most common weapon of its class. The M-72 LAW is single shot because it was designed to be cheep and light and easy to carry, the tube its in is basically cardboard. Worf's weapon had far more bulk to it and appeared to be much heavier.
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*Sighs* When will they ever learn?

Any bets on whether or not he'll be back?
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Master of Ossus wrote:*Sighs* When will they ever learn?

Any bets on whether or not he'll be back?
Probably not. It looks like most of the stuff is a combination of him having poor memory of the episodes/films in question combined with a few scientific misconceptions. Not normally the stuff a troll takes issue with.

Mind you, trying to predict the behaviour of these people is about as easy as predicting who will win the 100m sprint at the 2060 Olympics! :lol:
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I can't see him coming back visiously like a troll. Maybe 'oh, your right, my mistake', or maybe arguging Riker's drugged state
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He admitted he wasn't experienced in SW vs ST, and he wasn't arrogant about anything. He seemed pretty decent to me, given his lack of experience.

I think he'll either fall into the ranks of the Empire or accidentally snap back at Mike, not realising the wrath he'll awake.

hmmmm. *rubs chin

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^^ :D Best movie tagline ever. EVER.
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PackMule wrote:^^ :D Best movie tagline ever. EVER.
I was just about to say that myself. :lol: Bravo., Blake. :D
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Winston Blake wrote:coming this summer...

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He seems fine, not arrogent, and maybe just wanting to learn some stuff.

Not everyone who argues against wong is an idiot.
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Ace Pace wrote:He seems fine, not arrogent, and maybe just wanting to learn some stuff.

Not everyone who argues against wong is an idiot.
It's not arguing against Mike that makes them dumb many times, it's pestering him with the lack of knowledge trying to bring some point up; yet not doing the research that 2 hours would give and would answer their questions at the same time.

That and this one has the presumptions of better weapons and poorly done weapons somehow throws away the fact that they are poor substitutes for current design.

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Darth Wong wrote:With this guy, I decided to answer his mail because it was fairly short.
Adam McLarsen wrote: ]Also, the federation does indeed have a dedicated sniper weapon. In Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country at the end, there is a sniper trying to kill the fed president. Checkov knocks him away just in time. This weapon clearly had a scope and a shoulder stock.
Incorrect. It's a Klingon sniper rifle, Kirk shoved him away rather than Chekov, and the range was not far enough away to require an actual sniper rifle. Any soldier with a modern M-16 could have made that shot easily.
HA! Your BOTH Wrong! It was SCOTTY, not Checkov! :P
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Macross wrote:HA! Your BOTH Wrong! It was SCOTTY, not Checkov! :P
Scotty was the one that killed the asassain. Kirk shoved the President out of the way of the asassain's phaser blast (not that it was neccesary, he was completely off-target anyway! :roll:).
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This guy wasn't so bad. No massive insultery, no arrogance. I liked him.

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Nice guy, just mis-informed. Definately not hate-mail page material. If he comes back with flames THEN give him the Imperial Smackdown (tm) but for now, he's just a fan with a few facts wrong.
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... to show people he can be civil even to those who screw up badly. :D
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Macross wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:With this guy, I decided to answer his mail because it was fairly short.
Adam McLarsen wrote: ]Also, the federation does indeed have a dedicated sniper weapon. In Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country at the end, there is a sniper trying to kill the fed president. Checkov knocks him away just in time. This weapon clearly had a scope and a shoulder stock.
Incorrect. It's a Klingon sniper rifle, Kirk shoved him away rather than Chekov, and the range was not far enough away to require an actual sniper rifle. Any soldier with a modern M-16 could have made that shot easily.
HA! Your BOTH Wrong! It was SCOTTY, not Checkov! :P

Err. Scotty shoved the sniper out of the window, but Kirk shoved the fed pressie way from the phaser shot.
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Actually, Scotty SHOT the sniper out the window
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Do you mean that Scotty shot the sniper and the sniper fell backwards through the window (which would make sense), or that Scotty shot the sniper, and the sniper went flying through the window (there's that pesky Action/Reaction thing again)?
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Shot and fell out
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And he wasn't a Klingon.
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