Q's powers.. overrated?

BrianDavion · Post by **BrianDavion** » 2002-07-04 08:51pm

I have after much thought come to a startling conclusion... Q's powers are somewhat over rated. Seriously I don't think we ever see any conclusive proof that his powers are as great as he implies they are. this isn't to say Q ain't powerful (at the very LEAST he's more powerful then any Jedi that every existed) but I do think a lot of folks attribute "brute force" to his powers over subalty. I mean, have we ever seen ANY proof that the Q are outside the control of time? I don't think so. the only time I seem to remember seeing genuine time travel on the part of Q could easily be chalked up to a mental illusion played on Picard in "All Good Things"

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-04 08:56pm

No matter what I say your mind is already made up and I can't change that

Not that I don't agree with you per say its just people don't like posts that beg ME TO

As for the Super Powered Q thing, To do what Q has done you need

Advanced Teleportation/Transporation Techknowlegde

Replicator/Exchange tech also Advanced(Heck could be all smoke a mirrors, He teleports whatever he poofs and replicatis whatever he needs for his next illusion)

When you don't trust your senses
You have begun to learn
~Tao saying

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-04 08:56pm

Said to be omnipotent yet obviously aren't from onscreen evidence.

It is very easy to pull the stunts he does using nothing more than mind altering devices or virtual reality techniques. Other stuff is cheap magic but I think the V'ger ep. "The Q and the Grey" sums up how weird the Q continuum is without mentioning Quinn's loss of powers and imprisoning in a comet.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-04 09:02pm

They are mearly quite powerful, some really advanced race. But not onipetent.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-04 09:16pm

Clarke's second law anybody?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-04 09:18pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Clarke's second law anybody?

What was that? I can't remember.

Oh and over ated? Someone ate too much of Q's powers:D

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-04 09:47pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Clarke's second law anybody?

What was that? I can't remember.

Oh and over ated? Someone ate too much of Q's powers:D

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-07-04 10:07pm

Could it be possible that Q is just a human with some really nifty toys, then? As Mr. Bean pointed out, he hasn't done anything that can't be explained by the use of REALLY fast and REALLY long-ranged transporters, holograms, and force field manipulation, all with a control mechanism tied directly to Q's brain. Hell, all the other Q that we've seen over the years could simply be holograms.

The only REALLY impressive thing I've seen from the Q has been the wanton destruction of stars.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-07-04 11:53pm

Well in Voyager Quinn did hide Voyager at the beginning of time which is pretty powerful.

And there was also the Q Civil War where Q commented "If those guns can hurt me, think about what they would do to you" and how stars (or whatever) were going nova due to the war.

Quinn wanted to kill himself becuase he was bored, he'd done basically everything that he could do. He was so bored remember he was a scare crow for something of around a million years. And when we actually saw the Q Continuum no one was talking, which Quinn said was becuase "everything has been said".

That's pretty damn near omnipotent if not omnipotent.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-07-05 02:31am

I remeber an episode where Q was playing hida and seek with a female Q Amanda I think it was a Next Generation Episode well anyway he was hiding in the WARP core and didnt show himself till he phased through it then when she finnaly found him he was on the surface of the Enterprise D and the ship was at warp I think.

BrianDavion · Post by **BrianDavion** » 2002-07-05 03:14am

yet again this could be acheuived with trasporters and holograms easily eneugh

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-05 08:22am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

I thought that was the third.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-05 09:25am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

I thought that was the third.

Aw nuts.

Anyway, the Q are still seen as humans who have got nice toys, nothing more, nothing less.

Atlas3060 · Post by **Atlas3060** » 2002-07-05 10:58am

Being Q is great
He's never late
he dont rise in debate
he never procrastinates
Itttttsss Greeeeeaaaaattttttt!
Being Q is just grand!
even in strange lands
He's got the upper hand
Like a shiny one man band
Iiiiiiitttttttsssss Grrrrraaaaannnnnndddddd!

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2002-07-05 11:11am

Atlas3060 wrote:Being Q is great
He's never late
he dont rise in debate
he never procrastinates
Itttttsss Greeeeeaaaaattttttt!
Being Q is just grand!
even in strange lands
He's got the upper hand
Like a shiny one man band
Iiiiiiitttttttsssss Grrrrraaaaannnnnndddddd!

Atlas, isn't it about this time of year your head goes back to the lab for retuning?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-05 11:11am

Atlas3060 wrote:Being Q is great
He's never late
he dont rise in debate
he never procrastinates
Itttttsss Greeeeeaaaaattttttt!
Being Q is just grand!
even in strange lands
He's got the upper hand
Like a shiny one man band
Iiiiiiitttttttsssss Grrrrraaaaannnnnndddddd!

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2002-07-05 11:56am

If Qs are omnipotent: why would they be using supernovas to fuel some weapon? Shouldn't the energy of a supernova pale in comparison to their "godly" powers?

This also suggests that a supernova, properly harnassed, could harm or kill a Q.

John Clark · Post by **John Clark** » 2002-07-05 01:13pm

Is Q omnipotent? As his powers relate to the "Star Trek vs. Star Wars" debate, that's really rather inconsequential, don't you think?

If you ignore Q and his explicitly stated desire (implicitly the desire of the entire Q Continuum) to see humans grow and evolve, then his power or lack thereof is entirely irrelevant.

If, on the other hand, you include Q as a factor in the conflict, then the question is somewhat more interesting, yet still of little consequence. Whether you believe he is possessed of absolute omnipotence or not makes no difference. Q has demonstrated the ability to alter time, space, matter and energy at a whim on numerous occasions. For Q, travelling back in time to Coruscant's formative times and obliterating all life on that planet is child's play. For that matter, if Q can accomplish that, why not engage a bit more imagination and suppose that the Star Wars galaxy is simply refused the opportunity to form?

But regarding the theory popular among some vs. Fanfic authors that Q's powers are derivative of the Force, and that an Ysalimiri can neutralize or kill him... suupose it were true. Would a being so replete with Force ability and in such exquisite control over same suffer such a creature to live? Even to exist, to begin with?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-07-05 01:14pm

Also, regarding the "supernova fueling Q weapons" drivel.

You weren't paying attention.

Supernova are a BY-PRODUCT of Q attacks, not the SOURCE of them.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-07-05 02:33pm

BrianDavion wrote:yet again this could be acheuived with trasporters and holograms easily eneugh

Yet again there's no proof to suggest otherwise!

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2002-07-05 03:01pm

Anonymous wrote: You weren't paying attention.

Well, it WAS Voyager.

John Clarke · Post by **John Clarke** » 2002-07-05 03:03pm

Quoted from Unknown Guest:

"yet again this could be acheuived with trasporters and holograms easily eneugh "

"This" what? Specify and elaborate.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-05 03:08pm

John Clarke wrote:Quoted from Unknown Guest:

"yet again this could be acheuived with trasporters and holograms easily eneugh "

"This" what? Specify and elaborate.

Try reading what he was replying to!

John Clarke · Post by **John Clarke** » 2002-07-05 03:14pm

No specific example to which these technologies can be applied was given. Causing someone to experience time travel is not possible with transporters or holograms. Recreations of the past, possibly, but in previous examples, the "time traveller" was unaffected. In "All Good Things" Picard was affected by travel to a future not only physically but mentally as well. There effects are not possible with any known technology.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-05 03:18pm

John Clarke wrote:No specific example to which these technologies can be applied was given. Causing someone to experience time travel is not possible with transporters or holograms. Recreations of the past, possibly, but in previous examples, the "time traveller" was unaffected. In "All Good Things" Picard was affected by travel to a future not only physically but mentally as well. There effects are not possible with any known technology.

29th Century Feds used transporters to send 7 of 9 make in time "VOY: Reletivity"

And key word: KNOWN techonolgy.