Video Seems to Show Beheading of American

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-05-11 04:10pm

26 years old..

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-05-11 04:50pm

Trolling split

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-05-11 04:55pm

Just wait a few days or a few weeks before the clip is available on ogrish.com or any similar sites.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-05-11 05:04pm

That was fast they claim to have the video on ogrish

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-05-11 05:29pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:where is our apology? where are the hoards of angry protesters? where is the international condemnation of such vile treatment of prisoners? where is the... *whack!

*walks face first in to the enormous DOUBLE STANDARD and is knocked unconsious.

I swear, that's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. They're terrorists, you blithering idiot.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-05-11 05:31pm

jegs2 wrote:
Sharp-kun wrote:Al Qaeda don't profess to be a model of freedom, democracy, and good will. Nobody expects better.
The US does, don't be outraged when people call you on it.
But one begins to wonder if "freedom, democracy, and good will" should apply in cases when our soldiers are dealing with individuals who would hack off the head of one of our citizens. Or should we deal with them with overwhelming shock, force and violence?

We claim to be better than they are. Overwhelming shock, force and violence is what they do. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-05-11 05:55pm

Chardok wrote:It has been clear to me for some time now that the only (read: ONLY) thing the insurgents/terrorists respond to is the latter [extreme violence of action]. like the hydra, we must continue to remove heads (Figuratively) of the organizations or else this will continue. eventually, they'll get tired of their "Martyrdom".

How long has the Israel / Palestine conflict been going on? How many Palestinians have willingly given their lives to kill Israelis? And they still aren't tired of their "martyrdom". I'm sorry man, it's not going to be that easy. Violence is not the answer. Non-violence isn't either. You have to remove the terrorists base of support, and you can't accomplish this if you view all Iraqis as the enemy, because then they will become the enemy.
A lot more really sad things will happen before this is over.

What is even sadder is that all these people died for what? Why did the US invade Iraq?

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-05-11 05:58pm

I just have to say that, after seeing/hearing this, when I got a call from a customer whining in the most whiney voice imagineable about her goddamned insurance it made me want to throw up. that poor kid....Damn the Bush administration straight to hell for this whole mess. Damn the fucking lot of them. This whole shitty mess has accomplished what exactly? A thousand americans? Thousands of iraqis? One deposed shitty dictator? I wonder, I really do, if Saddam had stayed in power...would he have cost as many lives as this fucking bullet-flinging fiasco has. Could we be content with going after Osama? No. Of course not. I'm so mad right now I could just scream. The prisoners, our boys, that poor kid...26 GODDAMNED YEARS OLD!!! I'm 26!!! Did you HEAR those fucks as they cut his head off?! ALLAU AKBAR!!! Thats RIGHT! The whole time they were chanting ALLAU AKBAR! Fucking religion. Fucking war. What are we DOING?! You konw, I can honestly say that if they were not saying ALLAU AKBAR, I wouldn't be AS outraged...

Religion is the most evil thing on the planet. Next to war. I'll never, ever, ever believe in a God that allows something like this. Ever. I declare that From this point on, I am an Atheist. I need a drink.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-05-11 06:14pm

Here's what the guy in the back was saying, Auf englisch

A statement to the nation

The praise of Allah for all Muslims with his support and the humiliating of those who attempt to defeat Islam and who attack it and who entice the unbelievers with their cunning.

The one that appreciated the days countries with its justice and the prayer and the greeting on from above the Islam lighthouse by its sword as for after :

The Islamic nation

You rejoice at the first signs of the dawn that have started that have granted the wind of triumph. Allah was benevolent to us in Al Fallujah, granting us victory

On one of the days of Allah and that was known to Allah alone

The Islamic nation

Does any excuse for waiting remain? How the free Muslim sleeps, with his eyelids closed.

And he sees that Islam is slaughtered and can be seen bleeding its dignity

And the shameful pictures and the news of the evil humiliation of the Islam people men and women in Ghareb 's father prison then where the jealousy and where the zeal and where the anger about the Allah's religion and where the jealousy for the Muslims sanctities and where the revenge for the honors of Muslims and Muslims is in the crosses prisons .

As for you are the Islam clerics then to Allah we complain about you, you see that Allah have founded the argument on you by the Islam young man who humiliated the strongest force in the date then broke its nose and destroyed its pride

We came to you that you learn from them the reliance meanings and derive from their doing the lessons of sacrifice and redemption to when you remain as the women you master only the slapping language and know only the way of wail and weeping

Then this appeals the world freemen and this it begs Kofi Annan and a third begs Amr Moussa and fourth he demands peaceful demonstrations and as if they did not hear to his saying ( ( O you the prophet incited the believers to the fight ) )

You were fed up with the fight of the conferences and the oratorical battles ohm came to you that you take the jihad way and carry the sword that sent by it the prophets master

And we beg from you that you do not be involved as usual in the denial of what will do it satisfaction of the Americans

He has ordered the prophet - peace be upon him - and he is master the merciful are with the slitting of the necks of some prisoners and their slow killing

And for us it is an example and a good example

As for you, the Roman dog Bush, I hope you are displeased and we wait for you with God's Help tough days and you and your soldiers today who tred Iraq's land will regret it.

And she dared in it to the Muslims fever

And another message to traitor Pervez Musharraf then we say to him that we in wait for your meeting with your soldiers

We demand of the American and will take revenge for the blood of our brothers in and Iraq and elsewhere

And as for you and the Americans soldiers wife then we say that we offered to the American administration this prisoner in exchange for some of the prisoners in Abu Ghareb prison but they refused

Then we say but if the dignity of Muslims and Muslims in Abu Ghareb prison and others is worth theur blood and souls

we tell you to know that the coffins will arrive to you one coffin after another, as your people are slaughtered in this way.........

Then you kill the polytheists where you find them and you take them and count them and place them where they can be seen.

Allah is the greatest and the honour to Allah and to its messenger and to the militants

And our last claim is that the praise of Allah is the Lord of the Worlds

Abu Mus'ab Alzrqawy
Prince of Al Tawhid group and jihad
Iraq
22 Rabi I 1425
*******************
11/5/2004

And you see the slaughter, your fighting brothers suspend the head of this unbeliever on one of Baghdad bridges so that they teach a lesson to others from the infidels and serves as a witness to the honour of the Muslims

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2004-05-11 06:18pm

Well in case there was anydoubt in anyone's minds, the shit has well and truly hit the fan!

I can't think of anything else to say at this moment ...

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-05-11 06:54pm

Chardok wrote:I just have to say that, after seeing/hearing this, when I got a call from a customer whining in the most whiney voice imagineable about her goddamned insurance it made me want to throw up. that poor kid....Damn the Bush administration straight to hell for this whole mess. Damn the fucking lot of them. This whole shitty mess has accomplished what exactly? A thousand americans? Thousands of iraqis? One deposed shitty dictator? I wonder, I really do, if Saddam had stayed in power...would he have cost as many lives as this fucking bullet-flinging fiasco has. Could we be content with going after Osama? No. Of course not. I'm so mad right now I could just scream. The prisoners, our boys, that poor kid...26 GODDAMNED YEARS OLD!!! I'm 26!!! Did you HEAR those fucks as they cut his head off?! ALLAU AKBAR!!! Thats RIGHT! The whole time they were chanting ALLAU AKBAR! Fucking religion. Fucking war. What are we DOING?! You konw, I can honestly say that if they were not saying ALLAU AKBAR, I wouldn't be AS outraged...

Religion is the most evil thing on the planet. Next to war. I'll never, ever, ever believe in a God that allows something like this. Ever. I declare that From this point on, I am an Atheist. I need a drink.

Welcome to the club, brother. Shit like that is why I renounced organized religion when I was 11 when I realized it was damn-near solely responsible for all the greatest evil and hatred on this planet!

Ubiquitous · Post by **Ubiquitous** » 2004-05-11 07:03pm

I've heard the video is really fucking graphic. I'm outraged. I hope the guy didn't suffer much, but by God, I know he did.

Lets hope the terrorists are brought to justice.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-05-11 07:58pm

Chardok wrote:I just have to say that, after seeing/hearing this, when I got a call from a customer whining in the most whiney voice imagineable about her goddamned insurance it made me want to throw up. that poor kid....Damn the Bush administration straight to hell for this whole mess. Damn the fucking lot of them. This whole shitty mess has accomplished what exactly? A thousand americans? Thousands of iraqis? One deposed shitty dictator? I wonder, I really do, if Saddam had stayed in power...would he have cost as many lives as this fucking bullet-flinging fiasco has. Could we be content with going after Osama? No. Of course not. I'm so mad right now I could just scream. The prisoners, our boys, that poor kid...26 GODDAMNED YEARS OLD!!! I'm 26!!! Did you HEAR those fucks as they cut his head off?! ALLAU AKBAR!!! Thats RIGHT! The whole time they were chanting ALLAU AKBAR! Fucking religion. Fucking war. What are we DOING?! You konw, I can honestly say that if they were not saying ALLAU AKBAR, I wouldn't be AS outraged...

I couldn't bring myself to watch it.

Religion is the most evil thing on the planet. Next to war. I'll never, ever, ever believe in a God that allows something like this. Ever. I declare that From this point on, I am an Atheist. I need a drink.

But Islam is a religion of peace ... mmkay?

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-05-11 08:06pm

Durandal wrote:But Islam is a religion of peace ... mmkay?

I don't go by words, I go by actions. Their actions are most certainly not peaceful.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2004-05-11 08:08pm

It seems the cycle of violence has just been escalated. Fuck the bastards who did this, and fuck the Snowman (:evil: ) for getting us into this fucking mess. We'll be in Iraq for years, and even more men and women will sacrifice their lives.

Know what I'd like to do? Grab the Snowman (Bush, if you dont know), put a fucking rifle in his hand, and make his punk ass go over to Iraq and serve in a ground unit.

Now I'm getting angry...

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2004-05-11 08:18pm

Durandal wrote: But Islam is a religion of peace ... mmkay?

I said it once, I'll probably say it a thousand more times. Islam is a religion of peace. Peices of body parts all over the place that is.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-05-11 08:24pm

Defiant wrote:It seems the cycle of violence has just been escalated. Fuck the bastards who did this, and fuck the Snowman (:evil: ) for getting us into this fucking mess. We'll be in Iraq for years, and even more men and women will sacrifice their lives.

Know what I'd like to do? Grab the Snowman (Bush, if you dont know), put a fucking rifle in his hand, and make his punk ass go over to Iraq and serve in a ground unit.

Now I'm getting angry...

Snowman as in Man who Snorted Sno (aka Cocaine)?

ROFLMAO!!!

Yes, I'll second the idea of sending him to Iraq as an E1 with just an M4A1 and only one spare mag...

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-05-11 08:27pm

ALI_G wrote:I've heard the video is really fucking graphic. I'm outraged. I hope the guy didn't suffer much, but by God, I know he did.

Lets hope the terrorists are brought to justice.

They showed the video on French-Canadian news,but stoping when they prep him for decapitation,i can assure you that he did suffer

sorry for writting this

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-05-11 08:54pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:I don't go by words, I go by actions. Their actions are most certainly not peaceful.

Islam as a religion is defined by its holy books, because its followers regard those books to be infallible or divinely inspired. If Osama bin Laden got all the Muslims around the world to hold hands and sing "Cumbaya," it wouldn't change the fact that Islam is a hateful religion that encourages violence against non-believers and promises rewards in the afterlife for fighting holy wars, dreamed up by someone who we'd probably consider dangerously mentally unstable today.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-05-11 09:02pm

Durandal wrote:it wouldn't change the fact that Islam is a hateful religion that encourages violence against non-believers and promises rewards in the afterlife for fighting holy wars, dreamed up by someone who we'd probably consider dangerously mentally unstable today.

Shush shush, you're treading the line dangerously close here, you, you, you
RAAAAACIST!

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-05-11 09:10pm

The video is not great quality, you can't really make out his head once its down. You can at one point, but after than not really. All you see is a guy moving his arm back and forth. For a long.. long.. time. The guy did NOT die immediately, that's for sure. And the fact that it takes about 4 minutes for your brain to starve of oxygen meant that he was quite possibly conscious while decapitated if the pain didn't overwhelm him.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2004-05-11 09:35pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Defiant wrote:It seems the cycle of violence has just been escalated. Fuck the bastards who did this, and fuck the Snowman (:evil: ) for getting us into this fucking mess. We'll be in Iraq for years, and even more men and women will sacrifice their lives.

Know what I'd like to do? Grab the Snowman (Bush, if you dont know), put a fucking rifle in his hand, and make his punk ass go over to Iraq and serve in a ground unit.

Now I'm getting angry...
Snowman as in Man who Snorted Sno (aka Cocaine)?

ROFLMAO!!!

Indeed. Heard the rumor during his campaign, and I've called him Snowman ever since, because that fucker doesn't deserve to be called by his proper name.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-05-11 09:40pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:where is our apology? where are the hoards of angry protesters? where is the international condemnation of such vile treatment of prisoners? where is the... *whack!

*walks face first in to the enormous DOUBLE STANDARD and is knocked unconsious.

So this is your way of admitting that the two sides should now be regarded on the same level, rather than liberators vs terrorists?

Post by **RogueIce** » 2004-05-11 09:58pm

Luckily for me, not a single one of the video links works. Not the one on CNN, not the one at A-J, and not that homelandsecurityus one.

Something tells me I probably won't try looking for it on my own. I'll just take this as a sign, if you will. No video for me.

And somehow, I don't feel a great loss over not being able to see this video.

I could also put something in here about how I want those responsible to die a fiery death or something, but no. What was it The Jackal said about a liver shot? Slow and painful bleedout?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-05-11 10:03pm

Let this be a reminder to all of the jackasses on American TV who have been downplaying the torture (and "unexplained deaths") that took place in American custody.

In case those idiotic asshats haven't figured it out, it's hard to demand that the enemy treat prisoners humanely when you don't do it yourself. Thank you Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and other assorted assholes for publicly broadcasting the fact that many prominent Americans feel no remorse whatsoever over the treatment of Iraqi prisoners. Don't think for a moment that your kind words were not noticed in Iraq.