Movie Trailers that make you go "Oh GodsDammit!"

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2004-05-11 08:23am

Godsend

I, Robot

Catwoman

Nothing else needs to be said.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-05-11 11:20am

InnerBrat wrote:I also don't think there was any influence on god in Jurassic park, even if the characters mentioned it, more as a metaphor (using the phase "playing God" doesn't imply a belief in God by the speaker)

No, but the anti-science message is the same either way. It implies the belief in some sort of overbearing force in nature which will punish humans if they take their science too far. Call it God or fate or whatever. Jurassic Park set up a scenario where a park full of dinosaurs run by complete fools became unstable.

The message that the movie conveyed, however, was not that people must be take sufficient care when undertaking such ventures, but that we must never undertake such ventures at all because they're doomed to failure by some fate that will actively conspire against scientists who attempt to "play God." This became abundantly clear in the next two movies. In other words, the park didn't fail because of incompetence; it failed because all such efforts are destined to fail.

Actually, I thought JP and Gattaca were similar in that regard. The shit in JP was because of human error, while Gattaca was a social commentary.
Neither did what Godsend seems to do, which is to say there will be direct supernatural consequences of cloning, and that a clone is essentially the same person (as opposed to an identical twin)

Basically, yes. Gattaca dealt with real social issues that were related to genetic manipulation, not vague, supernatural retribution being exacted on the prideful humans.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-05-11 11:36am

Durandal wrote:
The message that the movie conveyed, however, was not that people must be take sufficient care when undertaking such ventures, but that we must never undertake such ventures at all because they're doomed to failure by some fate that will actively conspire against scientists who attempt to "play God." This became abundantly clear in the next two movies.

More than abundant, what with Sam Neil's self-righteous proclamation "this is where you play God!" in the craptacular JP3.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-05-11 11:39am

Vympel wrote:More than abundant, what with Sam Neil's self-righteous proclamation "this is where you play God!" in the craptacular JP3.

That's basically what I was referring to. I have yet to see any massive catastrophes that have resulted from humans selectively breeding farm animals and cross-breeding crops, though.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-05-11 11:55am

To be fair, Sam Neil's character had recently been kidnapped and then nearly been eaten (again) by someone's science experiment / tourist attraction.

Not that Michael Chrichton doesn't milk the "technology bad" thing for all it's worth and then some in just about everything he does.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2004-05-11 01:18pm

InnerBrat wrote:Anyway, so deos anyone else get similar reacions at trailers?

Usually things that looks so excruciatingly stupid that they make me nauseous. For instance, I could feel my IQ dropping when I saw the White Chicks trailer.... *twitch*

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-05-11 06:00pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Pl how long before Rocky vs. Mike Meryers?

better yet more stores involving the pork chop express...

HELL YAH! More of Jack Burton? Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it.

Indeed!

Actually, I heard that Carpenter scrapped the proposed sequel to BTILC years ago because no studio would touch it. Have you heard anything I haven't?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-05-11 06:15pm

Durandal wrote:
Vympel wrote:More than abundant, what with Sam Neil's self-righteous proclamation "this is where you play God!" in the craptacular JP3.
That's basically what I was referring to. I have yet to see any massive catastrophes that have resulted from humans selectively breeding farm animals and cross-breeding crops, though.

That's kind of false though. These things were genetically engineered and there are next to zero GM organisms out there in the wild since releasing one and then finding it going awry is hard to correct as there is no recall option.

To be honest, in his situation I'd likely say the same thing given it wasn't a nice time to praise man's great science breakthroughs (and I am an obviously pro-GM person).

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2004-05-11 07:30pm

Around the World In 80 Days by Disney. Fuck Disney. Passpertout is played by Jackie Chan, but they are still claiming the character is French. It makes Fogg into one of those "lovable but eccentric inventor" stereotypes, and he wasn't even an inventor! I wanted to scream when I saw that trailer, and I, Robot looks shitty as well.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2004-05-11 09:18pm

Catwoman: WHY OH GODS WHY?!?!? This is NOT Catwoman!!

Day after tomorrow: WTF? It's a Hypercane that takes us into an IceAge? BAD SCIENCE!!!

I, Robot: Unless they're trying for the "Zero Law" angle, this one's a fuckup.

MeanGirls: I lived it, I don't wanna see it in the movies.

GodSend: Tripe. Didn't they have a TV movie about this several years back? Hell, a local lawyer was recently in the news because a so-called doctor offered to clone his dead son. I think the doctor turned out to be one of those Rellians.

Around the World in 80 Days: ........... I wonder if even Chan can save this remake.

What's Hot:

Resident Evil Apocalypse: I just gotta give credit to one of the best trailers I've ever seen. Whoever thought up the 'Oil of Olay beauty cream commercial" idea deserves every penny s/he got for it.

Spiderman 2: Great buildup for it. From the first, bare-bones trailer of the cafe scene, to the longer ones running now.

King Arthur: Yeah, I'm waiting for this one. Genievere as a Celtic warrioress, Arthur as a Romanized Briton. I'm betting the SCA will offer to do a demo premiere night.

Hero: JetLi meets "Croughing Tiger, Hidden Dragon". Looks like a good HongKong Flick.

Chronicles of Riddick: I don't care if it's before PitchBlack or after, it looks like it's going to be a good shoot-em-up flick.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2004-05-11 09:25pm

The Alien Vs Predator trailers have hardly made me jump for joy. But I'll still go to see it.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-05-12 01:14am

Ted C wrote:Usually things that looks so excruciatingly stupid that they make me nauseous. For instance, I could feel my IQ dropping when I saw the White Chicks trailer.... *twitch*

The part that gets me is that these two are supposed to be FBI agents, which means that they must be well-educated and resonably well-off in life...yet they still act like they just stepped straight out of the ghetto.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-05-12 01:17am

LadyTevar wrote:What's Hot:

Resident Evil Apocalypse: I just gotta give credit to one of the best trailers I've ever seen. Whoever thought up the 'Oil of Olay beauty cream commercial" idea deserves every penny s/he got for it.

Spiderman 2: Great buildup for it. From the first, bare-bones trailer of the cafe scene, to the longer ones running now.

King Arthur: Yeah, I'm waiting for this one. Genievere as a Celtic warrioress, Arthur as a Romanized Briton. I'm betting the SCA will offer to do a demo premiere night.

Hero: JetLi meets "Croughing Tiger, Hidden Dragon". Looks like a good HongKong Flick.

Chronicles of Riddick: I don't care if it's before PitchBlack or after, it looks like it's going to be a good shoot-em-up flick.

Agreed on all counts but the Aurthur moive. Personally, I think the whole Arthur/Merlin schtick is getting really tired.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-05-12 01:18am

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:Pl how long before Rocky vs. Mike Meryers?

better yet more stores involving the pork chop express...
HELL YAH! More of Jack Burton? Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it.

Indeed!

Actually, I heard that Carpenter scrapped the proposed sequel to BTILC years ago because no studio would touch it. Have you heard anything I haven't?

That is correct while still a late night cable favorite, and an illegal coppied vcr favorite. Carpenter and the studio's are still deeply in the hole on that one and still recieving letters for all of these fans who haven't supported the product asking for a sequel....

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-05-12 02:38am

Regarding Catwoman, are you talking about the trailer where its mostly fight scenes?

Or the really bad ones with the really bad lines and her chowing down sushi like she doesn't have to breath?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-05-12 02:40am

neoolong wrote:Or the really bad ones with the really bad lines and her chowing down sushi like she doesn't have to breath?

She chows down sushi? Oh fucking hell...

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2004-05-12 10:26am

neoolong wrote:Regarding Catwoman, are you talking about the trailer where its mostly fight scenes?

Or the really bad ones with the really bad lines and her chowing down sushi like she doesn't have to breath?

Fight scenes... haven't seen the other.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2004-05-12 11:36am

First of all, I would like to clarify that when I say Jurassic Park I am only ever referring to one movie or one book. No shit sequels.

Durandal wrote:No, but the anti-science message is the same either way.

Agreed, but Jurassic Park didn't make up shit or use lies to put across this message, which was my gripe with Godsend. If the dinosaurs had somehow been portrayed to be the exact same organisms ripped through time and plonked in the 20th century, I would compare them, but this isn't addressed because they're animals.

It implies the belief in some sort of overbearing force in nature which will punish humans if they take their science too far. Call it God or fate or whatever.

Actually, in JP it was the quantum weather butterfly, was it not?

I'm sure that Ian Malcolm would agree that with the same start the venture could have gone off without a hitch (actually he probably wouldn't, but he'd be wrong not to).

Jurassic Park set up a scenario where a park full of dinosaurs run by complete fools became unstable.

The message that the movie conveyed, however, was not that people must be take sufficient care when undertaking such ventures, but that we must never undertake such ventures at all because they're doomed to failure by some fate that will actively conspire against scientists who attempt to "play God."

I disagree:
The driving force behind JP was not that science is bad. It used outlandish science as a premise to get a bunch of people running away from dinosaurs, which was actually the point of the movie. It was Conan Doyle's The Lost World retold for the 20th century.

Godsend takes a procedure that is very nearly comonplace now, and says out right that a clone is the exact same organism as the mother cell, and that there are direct metaphysical consequences.
The difference between the movies as far as I'm concerned, is that JP doesn't appeal to a supernatural entity, (except in the opinions of the characters) whereas Godsend does.

This became abundantly clear in the next two movies. In other words, the park didn't fail because of incompetence; it failed because all such efforts are destined to fail.

Again, I didn't get that from the movies at all.

Basically, yes. Gattaca dealt with real social issues that were related to genetic manipulation, not vague, supernatural retribution being exacted on the prideful humans.

And I saw nothing supernatural in Jurassic Park, which is where I distinguish it from Godsend.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2004-05-12 11:44am

Well, I would say JP's most guilty part of mysticism was in the line "Life finds a way" and the whole nonsense of it not being able to be dammed up, which of course, it can.

I'd say JP wasn't overly antiscience, it was dennis nedry's corruption and hammond's arrogance that bummed it up, not science.

It did however teach us the value of not having everything around one system, as well as the problems inherent with having a power plant on the other side of your island.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-05-12 11:53am

LadyTevar wrote:
neoolong wrote:Regarding Catwoman, are you talking about the trailer where its mostly fight scenes?

Or the really bad ones with the really bad lines and her chowing down sushi like she doesn't have to breath?
Fight scenes... haven't seen the other.

Don't. It's really really bad. Lightyears beyond the badness of the one you've seen.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-05-13 12:30pm

Holy fuck. I just saw a trailer for King Arthur.

WORST. MOVIE. EVER.

King Arthur in what is clearly a 1st century Roman legionary outfit ... ok .... Guinevere (played by the emaciated, feed me PLEASE Keira Knightley) as some sort of warrior queen ... what the fuck? What were they THINKING?

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-05-13 01:25pm

Vympel wrote:Holy fuck. I just saw a trailer for King Arthur.

WORST. MOVIE. EVER.

King Arthur in what is clearly a 1st century Roman legionary outfit ... ok .... Guinevere (played by the emaciated, feed me PLEASE Keira Knightley) as some sort of warrior queen ... what the fuck? What were they THINKING?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks she should put on some weight. Yes, she's pretty but she borders on being dangerously thin.

Plus, she looked a little freaky as warrior woman Guinevere. I want to see how she fights because she looks like she'd have trouble fighting a good breeze.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2004-05-13 03:17pm

King Arthur!

I knoew I forgot one!

"The true story".

What, are you kidding me?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-05-13 03:22pm

Vympel wrote:Holy fuck. I just saw a trailer for King Arthur.

WORST. MOVIE. EVER.

King Arthur in what is clearly a 1st century Roman legionary outfit ... ok .... Guinevere (played by the emaciated, feed me PLEASE Keira Knightley) as some sort of warrior queen ... what the fuck? What were they THINKING?

I'll likely get dragged by a horde of friends who worship the Arthurian legends.

But I dunno worst...but it's ranking unless it's a bad parody.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-05-13 03:33pm

Ghost Rider wrote: I'll likely get dragged by a horde of friends who worship the Arthurian legends.

But I dunno worst...but it's ranking unless it's a bad parody.

Maybe it'll have a lot of rock music in the soundtrack like that movie with Heath Ledger.

, or Guinevere will be doing a lot of Xena style martial arts. Why not? If Richard Gere's "Lancelot" can do martial arts why can't warrior Guinevere?

Just take some night vision goggles, some ear plugs and read Camelot 3000 while waiting for the movie to end.

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