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Potential breakthrough for British Fascists

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From the Independent and the Guardian
BNP to make record gains in elections, warn MPs
By Marie Woolf and Ian Herbert
13 May 2004
The British National Party could make unprecedented gains in next month's elections, including its first European MP and member of the London Assembly, MPs from all parties are warning.
The extreme-right party is putting up a record number of candidates and could win seats in the local, European and London elections.
The prospect of a rise in the far-right vote in Britain has alarmed Labour MPs who fear low voter turnout could boost the BNP vote to an all-time high.
They say the BNP leader, Nick Griffin, could become the party's first MEP. He is standing in the North West England constituency, where he needs only 9 per cent of the vote to be elected under the proportional representation system.
Although the BNP currently has only 17 councillors in Britain, a recent poll showed it had 5 per cent of the vote in London, enough to achieve its first London Assembly seat.
Labour MPs say the party is trying to whip up fear about asylum-seekers and appeal to latent racist sentiment. Frank Dobson, the former health secretary, warned that the BNP was organising and had formed close links with neo-fascists in France, Belgium and Holland.
The BNP is expected to field up to 600 candidates in the local elections, with 101 in Yorkshire alone, and it has told its supporters that June offers "an opportunity which is unprecedented in recent times." Phil Edwards, a BNP spokesman, said he was "cautiously optimistic that we can do a lot better this time".
A coalition of religious leaders of all faiths, politicians - including London mayoral candidates Ken Livingstone, Simon Hughes and Steve Norris - and hip-hop stars including Miss Dynamite and So Solid Crew, will launch a campaign tomorrow to mobilise the public to vote against the far right.
A giant billboard warning "The Racists are more Dangerous than Ever - They Are Voting" will be unveiled by anti-racist activists who believe low voter turnout could give the BNP disproportionate support.
Simon Woolley of Operation Black Vote called on "voters black and white to democratically defeat the BNP to stop the threat of a racist mandate being legitimised".
Martin Salter, Labour MP for Reading West, warned that the party was also "on the way back" in Burnley. "The BNP are gambling on low voter turnout. They want to slip in under the cloak of apathy," he said.
The BNP already has three seats in Calderdale - the West Yorkshire district which includes Halifax - and is fielding 14 candidates this time.
The BNP's biggest municipal assault comes in Leeds, where it is fielding 23 candidates, compared with eight at the last election. There are another 14 in Barnsley, many of them women, and 12 in Wakefield, against two in the last election.
In Yorkshire the Church has taken the lead against the far right launching an anti-BNP "rainbow ribbon" campaign, similar to that used by the anti-apartheid movement. Two weeks ago, West Yorkshire's Ecumenical Council issued an unprecedented joint statement urging people to vote or risk BNP successes.
The BNP has a real chance of making a breakthrough in the coming local and European elections. The extent of their success will probably depend upon the turn out, the lower the turnout the better they will do.

I’d urge any board members in the UK first of all to VOTE ANYBODY BUT BNP on June 10 if any of you have some spare time over the next few weeks get in contact with Unite Against Fascism to go leafleting and canvassing with them. I’ve been working with them for a few months now and much as I dislike getting up early at the weekends and hanging around guys from the SWP some causes are worth it.

Anybody with doubts as to the true nature of the BNP should follow this link
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I went and watched the video on that site where they interview the Young BNP.
I'm now seriously depressed.
And I will be voting in the coming elections. I love this country- even though I'm not a citizen and am just studying here, I get a vote.
And I will use it to keep these wankers down.
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Obviously the dose of patriotism for the average Joe has been replaced with assbackwardness. This is disturbing to say the least, I guess WWII wasn't fucking big enough to show how fucking stupid this fucking fascist line of thinking is.
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Anhaga wrote: And I will be voting in the coming elections. I love this country- even though I'm not a citizen and am just studying here, I get a vote.
Humm, presumably because you're from the EU? If you are, that's true for every EU country you're currently residing in. I get to vote in the german elections.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Obviously the dose of patriotism for the average Joe has been replaced with assbackwardness. This is disturbing to say the least, I guess WWII wasn't fucking big enough to show how fucking stupid this fucking fascist line of thinking is.
Some people just won't accept that they are fascists, I had this argument over on SB and certain people just won't accept the evidence that we are talking about a bunch of holocaust denying fascists who would like to final solution everybody who isn't white.
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Colonel Olrik wrote: Humm, presumably because you're from the EU? If you are, that's true for every EU country you're currently residing in. I get to vote in the german elections.
A good portion of the world can vote in local British elections since EU nations can as well as Commonwealth nations (and Ireland although they are now covered under the EU).
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TheDarkling wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote: Humm, presumably because you're from the EU? If you are, that's true for every EU country you're currently residing in. I get to vote in the german elections.
A good portion of the world can vote in local British elections since EU nations can as well as Commonwealth nations (and Ireland although they are now covered under the EU).
Errr..Commonweath nations? I dont think so..You can vote if you can gain a Brit passport but otherwise no.
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"

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Stuart Mackey wrote: Errr..Commonweath nations? I dont think so..You can vote if you can gain a Brit passport but otherwise no.
Can anyone register to vote in the City of Westminster?

No. You must be a British, Irish or Commonwealth citizen or a citizen of another European Union state (including states which are expected to join the EU in 2004 )and be resident in Westminster.

This is why people from Malta and Cyprus aren't gaining the right to vote in the UK, they already had it.

People from the following nations can vote in the UK local elections

Great Britain
Hong Kong
Republic of Ireland

Anguilla
Bermuda
British Antarctic Territory
British Indian Ocean Territory
Cayman Islands
Falkland Islands and Dependencies
Gibraltar
Montserrat
Pitcairn, Henderson, Ducie and Oeno Islands
St. Helena and Dependencies
Turks and Caicos Islands
Virgin Islands

Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
The Bahamas
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belize
Botswana
Brunei
Cameroon
Canada
Cyprus, Republic of
Dominica
Fiji
Gambia, The
Ghana
Grenada
Guyana
India
Jamaica
Kenya
Kiribati
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta
Mauritius
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
New Zealand
Nigeria
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
St. Christopher and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Swaziland
Tanzania
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tuvalu
Uganda
Vanuatu
Western Samoa
Zambia
Zimbabwe*

Austria
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Italy
Luxembourg
The Netherlands
Portugal
Spain
Sweden

Cyprus
Czech Republic
Estonia
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Malta
Poland
Slovakia
Slovenia

Or from parliaments website

Where can I find information on voting at an election?
British citizens are entitled to vote at elections providing that they are aged 18 or over and are not subject to any legal incapacity to vote. Citizens of other Commonwealth countries and the Irish Republic may also vote at parliamentary elections if they are resident in Britain, aged 18 or over and are not subject to any legal incapacity to vote.

Commonwealth and Irish get to vote in all UK elections whilst EU citizens only get to vote in local and European elections.

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TheDarkling wrote:snip

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Well bugger me. It might be interesting to note that the same does not apply to a British subject in NZ. I also point out that a Kiwi cannot work in Britian except on the working holiday scheme, yet can vote.
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Stuart Mackey wrote: Well bugger me. It might be interesting to note that the same does not apply to a British subject in NZ. I also point out that a Kiwi cannot work in Britian except on the working holiday scheme, yet can vote.
I didn't know about the commonwealth vote thing, but permanent work in the EU for anyone from outside Europe is made impossible by current legislation. To be able to legally work in the EU, the employer will have to prove that the work cannot be done by any european, a not-so-polite way of saying "sorry, doors closed". I have brazilian friends studying here at Siemens that are going to grat lenghts to prove their European heritage, to stay here after the studies completed.
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Colonel Olrik wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote: Well bugger me. It might be interesting to note that the same does not apply to a British subject in NZ. I also point out that a Kiwi cannot work in Britian except on the working holiday scheme, yet can vote.
I didn't know about the commonwealth vote thing, but permanent work in the EU for anyone from outside Europe is made impossible by current legislation. To be able to legally work in the EU, the employer will have to prove that the work cannot be done by any european, a not-so-polite way of saying "sorry, doors closed".
Dont worry..the British Empire Old Boy's Club has ways round that :twisted: .
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i see the 'Fascist' label in British politics is as easily misused as the 'socialist' label in American politics. What ever would we do if we couln't tag our political opponents with labels.
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Stuart Mackey wrote: Dont worry..the British Empire Old Boy's Club has ways round that :twisted: .
I'm all for free movement of people between at least western countries, it's not as there's going to be a big emmigration rush from the EU to the US or Australia, or viceversa.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:i see the 'Fascist' label in British politics is as easily misused as the 'socialist' label in American politics. What ever would we do if we couln't tag our political opponents with labels.
As far as I know the BNP is a fasist party in the traditional sense with all the racial baggage that goes with it.
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Colonel Olrik wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote: Dont worry..the British Empire Old Boy's Club has ways round that :twisted: .
I'm all for free movement of people between at least western countries, it's not as there's going to be a big emmigration rush from the EU to the US or Australia, or viceversa.
Oh indeed..few Kiwi's want to live in Britian permanantly..its far to nice back home, here in NZ, we can see the sun and we also have blue sky :D
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Col. Crackpot wrote:i see the 'Fascist' label in British politics is as easily misused as the 'socialist' label in American politics. What ever would we do if we couln't tag our political opponents with labels.
The leader of the BNP went to Libya for funding during the Colonels terrorist sponsoring heyday, the former security branch of the BNP Combat 18 became a terrorist organisation and one of C18's top members advocated the extermination of all black people. The leader of the BNP is also a holocaust denier who has written books about the Jewish global conspiracy.

So let me ask you, why do you think the BNP aren't fascists (and not the Mussolini lite fascism, we are talking final solution German style fascism here)?
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TheDarkling wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:i see the 'Fascist' label in British politics is as easily misused as the 'socialist' label in American politics. What ever would we do if we couln't tag our political opponents with labels.
The leader of the BNP went to Libya for funding during the Colonels terrorist sponsoring heyday, the former security branch of the BNP Combat 18 became a terrorist organisation and one of C18's top members advocated the extermination of all black people. The leader of the BNP is also a holocaust denier who has written books about the Jewish global conspiracy.

So let me ask you, why do you think the BNP aren't fascists (and not the Mussolini lite fascism, we are talking final solution German style fascism here)?
well it would seem i stand corrected. The problem is fascism and socialism are buzzwords so often thrown around by political opponents they have begun to lose their meaning. It would seem that this is likely an accurate use of the word.
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Col. Crackpot wrote: So let me ask you, why do you think the BNP aren't fascists (and not the Mussolini lite fascism, we are talking final solution German style fascism here)?
well it would seem i stand corrected. The problem is fascism and socialism are buzzwords so often thrown around by political opponents they have begun to lose their meaning. It would seem that this is likely an accurate use of the word.[/quote]

In the US, maybe. In the UK, we use these terms for parties that need them and someone who is conservative isn't a gun-toting, globalisatiom loving right winger nor a liberal a hippy, tree-hugging, socialist left-winger. When we say fascist, we mean Hitler style.
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Just in case any body else makes Col. Crackpot’s mistake and thinks I use the term fascist too lightly.

Warning the next 2 links take you to the BNPs site.

They have a policy of the repatriation of all none white Europeans from Britain
(this used to be compulsory but was recently changed to voluntary).

They have an explicit policy against mixed race relationships.

The leader Nick Griffin has described the Holocaust as “the holohoax’.

The BNP has links with the Ku Klux Klan Nick Griffin has spoken on platforms along side Bill Duke.

London nailbomber David Copeland was a BNP member.

Their military wing Combat18 takes its name from the position in the alphabet of Hitler’s initials.

If anybody has any further doubts I suggest they try following these links:
www.searchlightmagazine.com
www.stopthebnp.com
and also this BBC site I posted earlier..
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So where's the local Fascist Advocate, Spanky the Dolphin?
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The downsides of having a political system based on actual freedom. Some people freely choose to be morons.
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SirNitram wrote:The downsides of having a political system based on actual freedom. Some people freely choose to be morons.
And proportional representation aids in showing up the idiots, bad system if you ask me.
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So what's their position on Iraq, the war on terror and such?
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