Potential breakthrough for British Fascists

[MKSheppard]

Why would someone want to mve to India... a place that debated for several years IIRC on whether or not to allow Pepsi and Coca Cola sell ther products in their country.. a place where your business liscence application can literally take years to go through the Beurocracy...

Lots of Indian chicks

[Stuart Mackey]

The downsides of having a political system based on actual freedom. Some people freely choose to be morons.

And proportional representation aids in showing up the idiots, bad system if you ask me.

And first past the post gives you governments with a minority of the actual votes..hardly democratic is it.?

[Stuart Mackey]

So what's their position on Iraq, the war on terror and such?

They pledge to bring home troops from Germany, withdraw from NATO and close all US bases on British soil so I doubt they are up for much in the way of international coalitions or nation building.

That being said they do wish to develop ties with Canada, New Zealand and Australian in order to bring about a new white Commonwealth.

The bottom line is, if the US agreed to start exterminating all Muslims then the BNP would probably stay on board since the BNP is committed to curbing the growth of Asiatic religions.

These guys are hilarious

Q: How would the BNP conduct Britain's foreign affairs?


A: Britain's foreign policy under a BNP government will be to maintain the highest degree of friendship with all nations of the world, while making clear that they in turn should respect our sovereignty. Our foreign policy will be geared to developing the British overseas ties with our sister nations of Canada, Australia and New Zealand in a new white Commonwealth of free nations that cooperate in all ways possible.

As if NZ would have anything to do with Britian if it had a BNP government

[Admiral Valdemar]

As if NZ would have anything to do with Britian if it had a BNP government

They don't think that far ahead. Most thought is divided into "not white, must kill!" and "can I really stick my head up my own arse?".

[Stuart Mackey]

I think his point is, Why come to the US if you don't want to be an American?

Damn right, I'm in a bad mood right now because I'm a bit nervous about
someone I know, and they might be getting screwed by the US State Department on their VISA application, and they've shown a real enthuastic
attitude towards America, while idiots like Nitram sit here and just denigrate
this country, despite enjoying our bounty, and having something that 99%
of the world's population would FUCKING KILL FOR; a Permanent Residency
in the US of fucking Ay.

Now now, 99% of the world does not want to live in America..why dont you make yourself a nice cuppa tea?

[Stuart Mackey]

As if NZ would have anything to do with Britian if it had a BNP government

They don't think that far ahead. Most thought is divided into "not white, must kill!" and "can I really stick my head up my own arse?".

I am surprised that they think given their policies.

[MKSheppard]

Now now, 99% of the world does not want to live in America..why dont you make yourself a nice cuppa tea?

If that's true, then why is everyone trying to get here, from starving
to death in shipping containers from Hong Kong, etc?

[TheDarkling]

And first past the post gives you governments with a minority of the actual votes..hardly democratic is it.?

I don't hold to the idea that Democracy is some holy ideal to be sort for.

Democracy is the least bad form of government over the long term however that is when it has various constraints upon it.
I don't mind adding in a constraint or to if it necessary to make the machine work which is what I care about not a Democracy rating of the system.

Now to get specifically to the issue at hand, FPTP leads to stable government that don't (often) have to engage in dubious alliances which can give power to extremes, (for example Israel) or lead to the burying of an issue (Norway and the split over the EU in the current ruling coalition) and even in some cases a great deal of dithering and middle road solutions when a decisive policy is necessary.

While the statement that Britain is an elected dictatorship isn't entirely accurate I do prefer the unity granted by the system along with the power to legislate as the politicians wish (with necessary democracy elements to keep them in check but hopefully not overly constrain them).

[Admiral Valdemar]

Now now, 99% of the world does not want to live in America..why dont you make yourself a nice cuppa tea?

If that's true, then why is everyone trying to get here, from starving
to death in shipping containers from Hong Kong, etc?

Newsflash: they're doing that to the UK as well. Frankly, as touching as it is to be seen as a "haven" for all, the immigration problem in the UK is tremendous now we have that damn tunnel linking us to the other gimps on the continent. Sorry, Europeans.

[TheDarkling]

If that's true, then why is everyone trying to get here, from starving
to death in shipping containers from Hong Kong, etc?

People from the third world want into the first world, not specifically the US and people in the developed world are unlikely to kill somebody to get into the US.

You are making the US out to be a lone paradise on earth which is the envy of all and that simply isn't true.

[MKSheppard]

Newsflash: they're doing that to the UK as well.

More reason to randomly flood the chunnel with
poison gas from time to time and install fan vents
on boxcars to help "sterilize" those foul french fruits

[MKSheppard]

You are making the US out to be a lone paradise on earth which is the envy of all and that simply isn't true.

You'd be surprised how many people would want to come here...

it's exceedingly hard for europeans nowadays to immigrate, thanks to
Ted Kennedy and his ilk fucking up our immigration laws away from
Europeans towards other ethnicities back in the 60s.

[TheDarkling]

You'd be surprised how many people would want to come here...

it's exceedingly hard for europeans nowadays to immigrate, thanks to
Ted Kennedy and his ilk fucking up our immigration laws away from
Europeans towards other ethnicities back in the 60s.

Surprise me then.

[Illuminatus Primus]

it's exceedingly hard for europeans nowadays to immigrate, thanks toTed Kennedy and his ilk fucking up our immigration laws away from Europeans towards other ethnicities back in the 60s.

Explain this.

[MKSheppard]

Surprise me then.

We only hand out 600,000 Visas a year, and about 3+ million people a year
want in or something.

[MKSheppard]

Explain this.

Basically, before 1965, our Immigration law was based around letting just
125,000 people into the country a year, and the quota given to each
ethnic group was based on the percentage who were already in the country,
which favored those groups already in the country, and prevented unscrupulous ethnic politicians from flooding the country with more of
their kind to garner votes.

[MKSheppard]

Surprise me then.

HoLY SHIT!

I qualify in one of the family-based categories. Does that mean I can get a Green Card?

Unfortunately, no. It means that you are eligible to get in line to apply for one. Depending on the category, the wait ranges from two or three years to well over twenty years - and by the time you qualify, the time may well have increased considerably. Sometimes, the backlogs double or triple with very short notice.

[TheDarkling]

US inefficiency should surprise why?

[Stuart Mackey]

Now now, 99% of the world does not want to live in America..why dont you make yourself a nice cuppa tea?

If that's true, then why is everyone trying to get here, from starving
to death in shipping containers from Hong Kong, etc?

Shep, you know better than this.
You say that 99% of the world want to get into the USA. not only is this a gross genralisation, but you provide no evidence.
If we use this logic you have used then 99% of the planet want to get into Aussie because they have had a boat people issue for a few years.

[Stuart Mackey]

And first past the post gives you governments with a minority of the actual votes..hardly democratic is it.?

I don't hold to the idea that Democracy is some holy ideal to be sort for.

Democracy is the least bad form of government over the long term however that is when it has various constraints upon it.
I don't mind adding in a constraint or to if it necessary to make the machine work which is what I care about not a Democracy rating of the system.

Now to get specifically to the issue at hand, FPTP leads to stable government that don't (often) have to engage in dubious alliances which can give power to extremes, (for example Israel) or lead to the burying of an issue (Norway and the split over the EU in the current ruling coalition) and even in some cases a great deal of dithering and middle road solutions when a decisive policy is necessary.

While the statement that Britain is an elected dictatorship isn't entirely accurate I do prefer the unity granted by the system along with the power to legislate as the politicians wish (with necessary democracy elements to keep them in check but hopefully not overly constrain them).

So, you would be happy with a government where 60% of the population did not vote for it ??. Jesus mate
I dont know about Euro nations who have problems with propotional systems, But NZ makes it work as does Australia.

[TheDarkling]

So, you would be happy with a government where 60% of the population did not vote for it ??. Jesus mate
I dont know about Euro nations who have problems with propotional systems, But NZ makes it work as does Australia.

We had a 59% turnout last election so they wouldn't even get that.

Of those of us who could be bothered to vote the Labour Party got 40% of the vote and 66% of the seats, the Conservatives got 30% of the vote and got 26% of the seats and the Lib Dems got 18% of the Vote and 9% of the Seats.

That means that we would have had a coalition government straight off, largely the same story for the preceding few decades not to mention that often the party with the most votes would have been excluded from power (the Conservatives never outmatched Lab and the Lib Dems even when they got the biggest vote share).

So under FPTP 40- 48% vote for the government, under a proportional rep system that would increase by about 10% but would bring in disadvantages. Therefore I don't see it the trade off being worth it.

[fgalkin]

Explain this.

Basically, before 1965, our Immigration law was based around letting just
125,000 people into the country a year, and the quota given to each
ethnic group was based on the percentage who were already in the country,
which favored those groups already in the country, and prevented unscrupulous ethnic politicians from flooding the country with more of
their kind to garner votes.

Except that these laws were put in place in 1924 and were designed to stop the immigration of Jews and Slavs from Eastern Europe, and Italians, while incresing immigration quotas from Western Europe. Leaving everyone else to enjoy their life under Stalin, then Hitler. Did I mention that these laws were put in place becasue them flthy Jews, Poles, Russians, and Italians were polluting the good Ole US of A with their barbaric cultures. Yep, the leftists were evil for repealing these laws back in the 60s and replacing them with laws that allowed people like me to enter the US.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Stuart Mackey]

So, you would be happy with a government where 60% of the population did not vote for it ??. Jesus mate
I dont know about Euro nations who have problems with propotional systems, But NZ makes it work as does Australia.

We had a 59% turnout last election so they wouldn't even get that.

Of those of us who could be bothered to vote the Labour Party got 40% of the vote and 66% of the seats, the Conservatives got 30% of the vote and got 26% of the seats and the Lib Dems got 18% of the Vote and 9% of the Seats.

That means that we would have had a coalition government straight off, largely the same story for the preceding few decades not to mention that often the party with the most votes would have been excluded from power (the Conservatives never outmatched Lab and the Lib Dems even when they got the biggest vote share).

So under FPTP 40- 48% vote for the government, under a proportional rep system that would increase by about 10% but would bring in disadvantages. Therefore I don't see it the trade off being worth it.

The point is that you do not have a government that actually represents the publics opinion. Couldnt have the public only being able to blame itself for its actions huh? much easier to blame the politicians.

[Colonel Olrik]

I didn't know about the commonwealth vote thing, but permanent work in the EU for anyone from outside Europe is made impossible by current legislation. To be able to legally work in the EU, the employer will have to prove that the work cannot be done by any european, a not-so-polite way of saying "sorry, doors closed". I have brazilian friends studying here at Siemens that are going to grat lenghts to prove their European heritage, to stay here after the studies completed.

That's a really disgusting attitude.

You won't get any argument from me about that, although a total liberalization of residing licenses would be obviously impossible. Contrary to what Shep thinks, at least as many people are willing to risk death to enter the EU as they are into the US.

The current law is immoral, not to mention assinine, since the EU needs much more emmigrants that it's receiving right now to maintain a stable rate of growth. Throwing away MSc's because they're brazilian is unhealthy.

Also, I don't see many people here choosing the US as their dreamland, we're fine where we are thankyouverymuch. I think the US is a great country, wouldn't mind living there, but honestly there are other places I like more, some of them here in Europe others outside it.

[Crown]

I didn't know about the commonwealth vote thing, but permanent work in the EU for anyone from outside Europe is made impossible by current legislation. To be able to legally work in the EU, the employer will have to prove that the work cannot be done by any european, a not-so-polite way of saying "sorry, doors closed". I have brazilian friends studying here at Siemens that are going to grat lenghts to prove their European heritage, to stay here after the studies completed.

That's a really disgusting attitude.

Yes and no. It is, no matter which way you cut it a discriminating policy, I will agree with that. However the arguement is that if we (the first world nations) continue to higher qualified professionals from less developed nations, we are taking away their best chance from developing further. Or some such. If you know what I am trying to say.