Durandal wrote:
No different from Judaism and Christianity. I defy you to find precepts in Buddhism which would justify the kind of atrocities committed by Jews, Christians and Muslims over the years.
Let me point your way to Shinto Buddhism, and how it was incorporated into Bushido and the warrior corps known as Kamikazes.
Nice strawman distortion. I never said that it was exclusive to Christians, moron. I said that it defined Christians as unbelievers.
Nice strawman of your own. You imply that the Koran
ONLY seeks to persecute non-believiers, of which you specifically mentioned Jews and Christians.
Otherwise, you would had no issue with me pointing out that the Koran is so myriad that you can lift any possible viewpoints out from it and the Koran does not specifically seek to persecute non-believers or that many of the quotes in context refer to the afterlife or to god himself.
None of which has anything to do with what I said.
Correction. They have everything to do with your statements that the Koran only contain statements of hatred towards non-believers. Several of the issues you raised were addressed, such as the quotes in general referring to either the afterlife or god actions, or how they were taken out of context(beseeching muslims to wait a year to retialiate, and only if they attack the mosque again during this period).
All these contradict your opinion, in which you state that the Koran doesn't view non-believers as people.
Your failure to address the argument has been noted. You've made explicit demands of me that I tell you that each practice has direct origins in the Qur'an, which is completely unreasonable and just silly from a legalistic standpoint. The Qur'an's blatant hatred and degradation of women served as a springboard for the barbarism against women in that region. Deal with it.
Your blinding failure to see the point has also been noted. I explicity noted that your statement
Give me a break. Islam is the root of the problem; the backwards culture and lack of secular education are symptoms of it.
is inaccurate and as others has noted, circular.
You're fucking arguing that since the culture of the Arabs is backward, the problem is Islam. All while ignoring the protests I raised that all the perceptions and "backwardness" you raised is not found in the Koran proper but was part of Arab culture or defined by Arab culture, not their religion at all.
I would say your statement is backwards. The arab culture and lack of education is the root of the problem. Militant islam are just symptoms of it.
And guess what? I can better fit the facts than you can, by just pointing you to the example of Malaysia, where a more progessive culture and education has not resulted in militant Islam.
See above, retard. Even if the practice isn't explicitly mentioned by the Qur'an, absolving the book of all blame is simply absurd.
Stating that the Koran dicates that women cover their faces, when the Koran made no such demands and only requires women to dress modestly is an immense leap in logic. Welcome to the Olympics Durandel.
Or do you not remember this statement you made?
Black and white fallacy. Are you seriously arguing, for example, that the Qur'an doesn't tell women to cover their faces in public?
I never said it was, jackass. I said it was part of the Qur'an.
And idiot, what was that topic about? That's right. ISLAMIC LAW!.
Nice, Red, Big, Fat, Herring. Stop jumping around. Either stick to
1. Nations that practise Islamic law is backwards, as Islamic law dictates that women cover their faces, thieves hands are cut off and adulterers are stoned.
2. Koran allows for Jihad against non-believers.
Mixing two different topics together and interchanging them is not a proper debate. If you wish to discuss them both, then stop switching terms. Islamic law is not from the Koran itself proper, but from the Hadith, the acts of the Prophet Mohadmad. Even then, the main bulk of Sharia is set and dictated by the various caliphs who rule the nation and which properly has no religious or divine inspiration. However, extremists claim that the laws are, and that's why they're arguing for the implementation of Sharia, so as to bring back the Golden Age of Islam.
I guess I must just be "misinterpreting" these quotes, huh?
I do not see any specific quotes in which it states that all Muslim must launch Jihad against the non-believers, which is the entire crux of your Koran dictates Jihad argument.
And aside from the Egyptian terrorist group Islamic Jihad and their sub-sects, you're not going to be able to find any interpretation of the Koran that does so.
And they do, you blithering fool. Maybe not directly, but stop pretending that the Qur'an is completely blameless and benign in all this.
Oh? Show me the exact quote that states that women must cover their faces in public, that women cannot be allowed to own property or drive, even though the Hadith of Mohadmad specifically allowed them to own property and when divorced, claim what would be known as alimony from their husbands. Show me the exact quotes that states that women cannot be educated or allowed into office, although the hadith all shows that in the time of Mohadmad, females were allowed to do business, enter the mosque and pray on their own without chaperon.
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