Which is the worst Star Trek Movie??

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-10-22 11:08pm

Well which Satr Trek Movie Sucks more ass. The Final Frontier or Insurrection. Well Since I'm more biased to like TOS movies I'd say TFF was much better than the latter. But there are other reasons that I like TFF better and here they are.

What I Liked:
-Goldsmith's Score (it's Almost better than TMP)
-Some of the Action sequences were pretty good.
And despite the fact that it was poorly numbered and edited the Turolift saft sequence was cool.
-Sybok was well casted and became a likeable character. (despite the fact that it disrupts continuity)
-The Plot had potential.
-Decent use of the Klingons

What I hated:
-The Whole vague Uhura Scotty "romance" Ugh!!

-Naked Uhura fan dance.
-Poorly edited.
-Very Flawed Plot.
-Bad Special effects.
-Poor use of The Romulans

And Insurrection;
What I liked:
-Goerdi Getting Back his vision, well done scene.

What I hated:
-Bad action sequences. (throughout the entire movie I was never convinced that The heroes were in any danger.)
-The Bak'u (pompous self righteous Bastards)
-The Son'a (poorly written and conceived Villains) They are pirates!! WTF!!
-A Train Wreak of a plot. (i don't understand why they attempt to make you feel sorry for the Bak'u, when you end up wanting to massacre them)
-Crappy Special Effects (they look like a Decent Video game)
-Goldsmith's weakest ST score (Frakes Uses him very inadequately)
-The Stupid happy ending.
I'll be back with more.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-10-22 11:26pm

Insurrection reminds me of a moral question posed during Modern World two years ago. School is not what I want when I see movies. So my vote goes to ST:I.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-10-22 11:35pm

Insurrection. Why do I hate it? It's like they took the film Legend and threw it into the middle of a Star Trek flick. What the hell is up with this "stopping time" bullshit? OOOOH, you have a nifty "Let's pause the background!" special effect!

The problem is that it was just too much at once. All of a sudden, the Federation is undergoing huge, elaborate, expansive experiments that violate the Prime Directive and basic human (well, human-with-funny-forehead-lumps) rights... and are doing this, alongside some Brand-spankin'-New Alien-of-the-Week, without even questioning the motives of said aliens? And what else... the Briar Patch? Didn't we already do that episode of TNG? And what else... personal cloaking devices? Where the hell did that crap come from? It's like there was this HUGE leap in technology from previous ST films, for no reason other than they thought it looked cool.

Then there was the Son'a "scoopship"... basically, a really, really, really, really, really, really big piece of PVC piping with engines. The fuck...? And the Floating Droids - oops, Drones - of Teleporting Doom. The fuck...? And Worf's bazooka... where'd he get that? Did he just suddenly pull it out of his ass? Maybe that explains why he's been so stiff...

And the battle scenes! Clearly a pathetic attempt at redoing the infamous "Battle in the Nebula"... except instead of the wonderful battle choreography, it's "Fire two shots and then crap our pants." Holy hell! I coulda farted in their general direction and caused more damage!

Rrg... this movie is such an abysmal piece of tripe that it makes me cringe....

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-10-23 12:30am

Alas, I cannot choose, I must hate them both!

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-23 12:33am

Final Frontier is infinitely superior:

"What does God need with a starship?"

Insurrection has nothing as funny as that line, so it sucks much worse.

But Final Frontier still sucks MAJOR ass.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-23 12:55am

Final Frontier is worse, although Insurrection was an absolutely horrible movie.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-23 01:12am

This is like choosing between having your eyes gouged out with a spoon or castration with a rusty butcher knife.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-10-23 01:13am

Darth Wong wrote:This is like choosing between having your eyes gouged out with a spoon or castration with a rusty butcher knife.

Shouldn't those be reserved as "viable alternatives" to Debating with Darkstar?

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-10-23 01:49am

those two moveis should be MSTed by Mike and the bots .If they can MST This Island Earth they can MST ST5 and ST(

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-10-23 02:26am

Well, now, in STV's defense, I have been able to mostly put it out of my mind. Insurrection... now THAT pooch-screw of a movie is burned painfully into my cornea.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-10-23 03:08am

I went with Insurection. ST:V is a train wreck but ST:I is just insulting on so many different levels.

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2002-10-23 10:15am

Darth Wong wrote:This is like choosing between having your eyes gouged out with a spoon or castration with a rusty butcher knife.

Me, I'd pick castration personally. At least I could still read books without having them read out loud to me or having to learn how to read little bumps on a page, and they have hormone treatments to make up for the lack...

As for which movie, I have to say Final Frontier. The whole "I feel your pain" thing was exceedingly lame, IMHO. Also, how the hell did Sybok know that "God" was waiting on this distant alien planet? And if he telepathically received the info from "God" on how to improve the Enterprise's shields or engines to get it there safely, why the hell didn't "God" just telepathically mind control a Vulcan ship in the first place? If he didn't receive it from "God", but figured it out on his own, why the hell didn't he sell his discovery to Starfleet for a ton of cash, and use it to finance an expedition to get "God" free? Hell, considering how long "God" was there, why did it take him so long to find someone like Sybok? We know there are other telepathic species out there besides Vulcans, ones which are not only more powerful but also don't rely as much on touch to use their telepathy.

I'm not saying Insurrection didn't have problems or plot holes. But consider this: wasn't it really satisfying to see that, for all their supposed ideals and spouting of moral platitudes, the Federation government turned out to be just as morally bankrupt as most modern-day governments and politicians? The more things change, the more they stay the same...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-23 10:21am

I hate both movies equally

God has no place in Sci-Fi and Spocks Brother is an ass

A Fucking joystick in the Enterprise? Wow. The writter should be shot

In the end i voted IV because of my loathing for religon

Datana · Post by **Datana** » 2002-10-23 10:52am

Easily Final Frontier. Insurrection was completely forgettable for me, to the point where I once responded that "First Contact" was the most recent Trek movie (Insurrection having slipped my mind). Final Frontier is the pain that keeps giving, even years after it came out.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-23 11:11am

I think Insurrection sucks more ass. I didn't see that part but the whole Geordi's eye-healing is lame as hell, a big fuck-you to every blind person who watches the show.

(or maybe they realized that blind people aren't a viable market for movies?)

Seriously, the visor was Geordi's gimmick, his trademark, and the artificial eyes were even cooler. What happened to his little speech when cured by Q-powered Riker? What about when they saved the 'perfect human' colony from the star fragment? He was all smug, gloating that it was his blindness that saved the day.

A joystick in a starship at least made sense, instead of all those anti-ergonomic touch screens. But the way it was constructed (a pedestal in the middle of the bridge, that you have to stand close to it... it would have made more sense to use from the seat) and I don't see how it helped in that particular scene, they weren't dogfighting or anything.

I agree that it was satisfactory to see the Federation fuck all its fake ideals then go for the money. But in the end, we all wanted to see the Ba'ku burning!

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-23 11:51am

His eyes didn't grow back permanently though, did they?

It was just a phase.

Shit movie.

The joystick did nothing. As I recall, he moved it slightly and the E-E made a nice gentle curve, picking up those uber-gases.

And, as usual, Riker doesn't stand and fight, but dicks around with bullshit treknobabble to get the job done.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-23 01:02pm

I hope B&B remember this for Nemesis:

"We'll shove blah blah blah technoblabble up their blah blah blah pschyoblabble asses blah blah blah" = BAD

"Battle stations! Raise shields! All phasers fire at will! Launch torpedoes, full spread!" = GOOD

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-23 01:35pm

For some reason that I can't define, Insurrection bugs the hell out of me of so many levels.

STV just doesn't rub me the wrong way. Kirk's/Spock's/Bones' lines:

Hey Bones, what's cooking!
God's a busy man!
Must've been all those marshmelons...

kept me enjoying the movie, but STI doesn't have it.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2002-10-23 01:38pm

Cyril wrote:I hope B&B remember this for Nemesis:

"We'll shove blah blah blah technoblabble up their blah blah blah pschyoblabble asses blah blah blah" = BAD

"Battle stations! Raise shields! All phasers fire at will! Launch torpedoes, full spread!" = GOOD

We have two opposing factors in Nemesis:

1) Its an even numbered Trek film so it should be failry good.
2) Its B&B era Trek so destined to suck and its just milking the franchise.

The second seems to overpower the first.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2002-10-23 01:54pm

Despite it's many horrendous flaws, Star Trek V gave us the immortal line: "Share your pain!" I find a use for that phrase at least once a month. STV is therefore a better movie.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-23 01:56pm

IG-88E wrote:For some reason that I can't define, Insurrection bugs the hell out of me of so many levels.

STV just doesn't rub me the wrong way. Kirk's/Spock's/Bones' lines:

Hey Bones, what's cooking!
God's a busy man!
Must've been all those marshmelons...

kept me enjoying the movie, but STI doesn't have it.

I personally liked Spock's "I believe it is called a 'marshmelon'" line.
The best though, was "Jim, life is not a dream."

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2002-10-23 02:17pm

Insurection sucked, yes. Final Frontier was chock full of painfull suckiness, though. Undiscovered Country was worse.

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-10-23 05:19pm

Godamnit, I CAN'T decide. They're both SO bad. STI or STV, STI or STV, this question is going to bounce round my head for the rest of my life

You complete bastard, what on Earth made you ask this?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-10-23 05:27pm

Akm72 wrote: Godamnit, I CAN'T decide. They're both SO bad. STI or STV, STI or STV, this question is going to bounce round my head for the rest of my life
You complete bastard, what on Earth made you ask this?

Perhaps it was something from Shakaree

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-23 05:31pm

Isolder74 wrote: Perhaps it was something from Shakaree

Or perhaps Vor'ta'vor?

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