But what the fuck do you expect? This is my state we're talking about. With Cincinatti's hate radio and other fundie bullshit across the state, we might as well be Texas.
Bill aims to put God-related mottoes in schools
Saturday, May 15, 2004
Julie Carr Smyth
Plain Dealer Bureau
Columbus
Ohio schoolchildren could take tests, eat lunch and watch assemblies under "God," if a bill up for a House committee vote next week becomes law.
The legislation calls for the state and national mottoes respectively, "With God All Things Are Possible" and "In God We Trust" to hang in every classroom, cafeteria and auditorium of every public and charter school in the state.
State Rep. Keith Faber of Celina, the bill's Republican sponsor, said the mandate would not apply unless the signs were donated.
Faber said that the intent was to inspire "a historical context discussion with regard to the founding fathers and these mottoes" and that placing them liberally around schools would assure "they aren't stuck in some obscure corner."
The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in 2001 that Ohio's motto is constitutional because it is too vague to be seen as endorsing one religion over another.
The U.S. motto has also been upheld as constitutional.
But American Civil Liberties Union-Ohio staff lawyer Carrie Davis, whose organization fought Ohio's motto, said the bill remains alarming.
"The courts have ruled that the mottoes themselves don't violate the Constitution, but posting anything religious in a state building does," she said.
Faber argued: "Nothing in the bill says my God is right and your God is wrong."
The bill's fate may hinge on the U.S. Supreme Court's much-awaited decision on the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, expected by fall.
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
And in other news, the Earth continues to spin at one revolution a day.
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Perhaps someone should have pointed out to these assholes that a singular God with a capital "G" is specific to monotheistic religions such as Christianity. Many religions have gods (no capital "G"), or no god at all (eg- Buddhism).
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
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Holy shit! This is my state! That's it, I'm moving.
The funny thing is, the city where this rep is from (Celina) is a very small town in the middle of BFE. Figures that this bill comes from there. Jackass.
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I love how the establishment clause only refers to "one religion over another." A choosing game, where clearly there's no other option. Since when did freedom of religion forget "religion over no religion."
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:I love how the establishment clause only refers to "one religion over another." A choosing game, where clearly there's no other option. Since when did freedom of religion forget "religion over no religion."
Why, IP, haven't you ever been educated that the American is way is "Freedom of Religion, not Freedom from Religion?
To Guantanamo with you for such un-American terror speech!
I love how they twist the first amendment to mean not supporting one religion over another, when it says nothing of the sort and bans ALL support of religion, regardless of how balanced that support is.
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Funny, because I almost posted it in slam, but decided not to because of the wrong forum deal
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
There are some people out there who believe that because in the etablishment clause it is stated that "congress shall make no..." that it is okay for federal states to make etablishing a religion.
if these people really want their kids in a religious school environment that badly then put them in a private school for fucks sake. they shouldn't try forcing their beliefs down everyone elses throats.
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
Darth_Zod wrote:if these people really want their kids in a religious school environment that badly then put them in a private school for fucks sake. they shouldn't try forcing their beliefs down everyone elses throats.
Freedom of religion: The freedom to do whatever the Bible tells you to. If you are in government, it is also the freedom to make laws which force others to abide by Biblical values as well.
Shoving your beliefs down peoples' throats: ..... For Christians: nothing short of an Inquisition.
So you see, they aren't just pushing this because they think theocracy is a good thing and that secular government is overrated, they aren't trying to shove their beliefs down people's throats, they're doing this for... um... reasons. Secret reasons. Such as promoting a discussion of why the US founders chose "In God We Trust" as out national motto rather than something like "E Pluribus Unum".
sketerpot wrote:
So you see, they aren't just pushing this because they think theocracy is a good thing and that secular government is overrated, they aren't trying to shove their beliefs down people's throats, they're doing this for... um... reasons. Secret reasons. Such as promoting a discussion of why the US founders chose "In God We Trust" as out national motto rather than something like "E Pluribus Unum".
err. . .not quite sure what you're arguing here. are you arguing that promoting religion in a predominantly secular section that such has no business being in (ie - public schools) is not shoving it down peoples throats, especially considering that the majority of students won't be of the same religion?
or is this some attempt at sarcasm i'm just not getting?
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
sketerpot wrote:
So you see, they aren't just pushing this because they think theocracy is a good thing and that secular government is overrated, they aren't trying to shove their beliefs down people's throats, they're doing this for... um... reasons. Secret reasons. Such as promoting a discussion of why the US founders chose "In God We Trust" as out national motto rather than something like "E Pluribus Unum".
err. . .not quite sure what you're arguing here. are you arguing that promoting religion in a predominantly secular section that such has no business being in (ie - public schools) is not shoving it down peoples throats, especially considering that the majority of students won't be of the same religion?
or is this some attempt at sarcasm i'm just not getting?
Yes, it was an attempt at sarcasm.
Note that I included definitions of two key concepts from the fundamentalist section of the Fundie Phrasebook as baldfaced assertions (while linking to the source), and misrepresented US history (the motto was "E pluribus unum", not "In God we trust" as these guys seem to think). And then I included an eye-rolling smiley.
It's kind of sad really, they honestly don't even realize why people are offended by this kind of thing.
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My question is: How exactly will this help schools? Do they think that kids are going to read "In God we trust" on a wall and descide not beat up a kid for thier lunch money, or read "In God, all things are possible" and not drop out? It reeks of people wanting to shove their beliefs down the throats of others.
Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:My question is: How exactly will this help schools? Do they think that kids are going to read "In God we trust" on a wall and descide not beat up a kid for thier lunch money, or read "In God, all things are possible" and not drop out? It reeks of people wanting to shove their beliefs down the throats of others.
If they had that at my school, I'd just write down "In God, all things are possible" as every answer on every test. After all, if in God everything is possible, then somewhere that must be the right answer.
