Why the SW universe doesn't use warp?

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Why the SW universe doesn't use warp?

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In an episode of Star Trek TNG (can't remember the exact episode) we learn the warp travel may damage sub-space, or something like that. Perhaps the Star Wars universe doen't utilize warp drive because of environmental laws against it.

just a conjecture.
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Inefficent.

Why use a slower system when you already have one that can goes thousands of times faster?

Also it's possible at one time they tinkered with it, found it ineffiecent to Hyperdrive and dumped it.
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well, since star trek reactors produce so much less energy than a hypermatter reactor, they may want to use warp when going between planets in the same system since it'd seems to be unnecissary to use hyperdrive for such a short trip, warp drives would provide a nice short distance energy-cheap alternative.
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Jaepheth wrote:well, since star trek reactors produce so much less energy than a hypermatter reactor, they may want to use warp when going between planets in the same system since it'd seems to be unnecissary to use hyperdrive for such a short trip, warp drives would provide a nice short distance energy-cheap alternative.
Would also require an entirely extra set up.

They showed that their inter system speeds are easily fast enough given Han didn't take weeks to reach Lando and they are capable of micro jumps with the Hyperdrive.

Plus the reason for the generator capacity is for weapons and shields not just propulsion.

Thus literally it's adding another system to perform at best a minor function.
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Jaepheth wrote:well, since star trek reactors produce so much less energy than a hypermatter reactor, they may want to use warp when going between planets in the same system since it'd seems to be unnecissary to use hyperdrive for such a short trip, warp drives would provide a nice short distance energy-cheap alternative.
i believe you're confusing energy production with fuel consumption. if you did mean fuel consumption, what evidence do you have that star trek warp drives require less fuel than a hyperdrive would?
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Darth_Zod wrote:
Jaepheth wrote:well, since star trek reactors produce so much less energy than a hypermatter reactor, they may want to use warp when going between planets in the same system since it'd seems to be unnecissary to use hyperdrive for such a short trip, warp drives would provide a nice short distance energy-cheap alternative.
i believe you're confusing energy production with fuel consumption. if you did mean fuel consumption, what evidence do you have that star trek warp drives require less fuel than a hyperdrive would?
What I think he's trying to say is that since ST ships produce so much less energy warp drives must take less energy to power. So wouldn't it be more enegy efficent to slap a warp drive onto a shuttle, interplanetary barge, pleasure ship, etc. rather than a full blown warp engine?
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*full blown Hyperdrive engine.

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Straha wrote: What I think he's trying to say is that since ST ships produce so much less energy warp drives must take less energy to power. So wouldn't it be more enegy efficent to slap a warp drive onto a shuttle, interplanetary barge, pleasure ship, etc. rather than a full blown warp engine?
if something is refined to the point of hyperdrive, wouldn't the fuel consumption be considerably less than that of warp drive, for the same distance? given how much more primitive warp travel is?
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Warp drive may be the drive used during the era of Xim the Despot, over twenty-five thousand years ago in the Star Wars galaxy. Certainly, subspace technologies date back that far and farther.
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I thought we'd decided that SW ships don't use purely rocket-ship level sub-hyperspace tech and can go at greater than c without a hyperdrive, possibly using highly advanced subspace tech that doesn't require huge external nacelles (not that all warp-capable ST ships have nacelles anyway).
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Re: Why the SW universe doesn't use warp?

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Jaepheth wrote:In an episode of Star Trek TNG (can't remember the exact episode) we learn the warp travel may damage sub-space, or something like that. Perhaps the Star Wars universe doen't utilize warp drive because of environmental laws against it.

just a conjecture.
Because it was copy-righted. :mrgreen:

BTW - The episode was Force of Nature.
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Patrick Degan wrote:Why do we use cars, trains, planes, and ships for travel instead of carts pulled by several hundred gerbils?
Gasoline gets any more expensive and I just might go with gerbil powered vehicles. Though personally, I'd prefer a horse.
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Jaepheth wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:Why do we use cars, trains, planes, and ships for travel instead of carts pulled by several hundred gerbils?
Gasoline gets any more expensive and I just might go with gerbil powered vehicles. Though personally, I'd prefer a horse.
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Re: Why the SW universe doesn't use warp?

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Jaepheth wrote:In an episode of Star Trek TNG (can't remember the exact episode) we learn the warp travel may damage sub-space, or something like that. Perhaps the Star Wars universe doen't utilize warp drive because of environmental laws against it.

just a conjecture.
Do you want an in-universe answer, or a versus-related answer?

In-universe could be the same reason they don't use the Force in Trek; it's simply not possible by the set of superphysics particular to that universe (i.e. the author doesn't want it). I always get confused when people start talking about capabilities of other universes then trying to question why another universe doesn't have those capabilities despite having other similarities. (Such as comparing the SW government (typically the Galactic Empire) to another universe with a civilization half as old but much more powerful, and then for some reason wondering why the Empire couldn't do the same).

This is typically because they have a versus-mode mindset, where we have to assume that the physics of both universes are allowed. In such cases, there really aren't any good answers, since the source material for each universe tends to, surprisingly, lack information on subjects not found in that particular universe. Any answer given would likely rely on heavy speculation.
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War's don't use Warp drive cause it's too damn slow.

Even if you take the warp scales at ditl.org at face value, Hyperdrive is faster then Warp 29. And that's on a civilian transport craft. (Hyperdrive Factor x2)

The Falcon or a military craft has much higher speeds.
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Warp drives may have some tactical use. It might be used for tactical manevers, fighting at FTL speeds or escaping interdictor gravity fields.
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evilcat4000 wrote:Warp drives may have some tactical use. It might be used for tactical manevers, fighting at FTL speeds or escaping interdictor gravity fields.
1. How does one fight in FTL when Warp Drives have been shown not to do so?

2. How do escape gravity field when warp drives have once again shown not to escape something as light as a Dyson Sphere's gravity well?
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Ships fought at warp speeds in TOS but only against other ships at warp speeds IIRC.
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Who says they don't have it, or something similar? After all, the Falcon had to use something to get it from Hoth to Anoat to Bespin in less than a lifetime, and sublight drives certainly wouldn't have done the job.
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Drooling Iguana wrote:Who says they don't have it, or something similar? After all, the Falcon had to use something to get it from Hoth to Anoat to Bespin in less than a lifetime, and sublight drives certainly wouldn't have done the job.
A backup hypderdrive that was just as (un)reliable as the primary?
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Isn't the Falcon a little too small to have a backup hyperdrive?
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The H-Type Nubian yacht that Padme used in AOTC had a backup. And remember, Solo made alot of "modifications" to the Falcon, I wouldn't be surprised if the falcon had a backup.
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Jordie wrote:The H-Type Nubian yacht that Padme used in AOTC had a backup. And remember, Solo made alot of "modifications" to the Falcon, I wouldn't be surprised if the falcon had a backup.
Then again, the H-type Nubian was also able to travel quite a distance in hyperspace with a damaged hyperdrive that needed replacement. It's possible that while he had time to work on his hyperdrive (while attached to the tower), Han managed to fix it to the point that it coud limp to the nearest system at a gimpy hyperspace speed.
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I would consider something else. I guess that there's a warp core required for warp drives. As i know from various fanfics ;) warp drives are incredible vulnerable to ion cannons, right? Therefore any ships with warp core couldnt risk to fight a ship with ion cannons.
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