STGOD 4 OOC Thread

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-18 03:48am

-How will it end?

- In Fire.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-05-18 03:49am

I guess you could say things are really starting to heat up?

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-05-18 03:49am

In case it comes up, my reasons for delcaring the Arcanists hostile are as follows:
1) No Arcanists were harmed in the Rape
2) No allies of the Arcanists were harmed in the Rape.
3) A base of a universally maligned power, one that has been acknowledged to be evil by even the Arcanists, has been functioning unharassed over the Arcanist homeworld for over a month.
4)Aly claims that he did not have the strength to deal with the base beforehand, when the power of his current strike against the moon utterly disproves that.
5) His attack on the moon was timed perfectly to coincide with a generation of hostilities from the Overseer base, making it look like he let the machines do what they came for, then attacked to regain face.

I am perfectly aware (in a stricly OOC sense) that Aly is not allied with Nitram (or is he...?), but I have enough in-game reasons to proceed with little doubt.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-05-18 09:46am

My ships in the Arcanist home system now:

2 Battle carriers (Verdandi, Yggdrasil)
2 Superdreadnoughts (Thor, Odin)
1 Dreadnought (Supremacy)
5 Attack carriers
10 Battle Cruisers
5 Heavy cruisers
30 Light Carriers
50 Fast Destroyers
20 Escort Frigates

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-18 12:14pm

Thirdfain wrote:SIrNitram, I'm just going to say that I've been posting continuous and massive expansion of my territory and industry. I am workng on a 33% increase in my fleet size, from 3 War Clusters to 4, and I don't expect to see it completed for months gametime. Concurrently, I don't expect your own fleets to increase in size so rapidly, unless your construction is out in the open and quite visible to the probes we are sending- frankly, massive construction on a scale 12 times that of a minor industrial power like the Shi is pretty ridiculous, especially if you intend it to be covert.

-edit- Minor compared to my power, which has been prodigiously and unopposedly expanding since the beginning of the STGOD, of course.

I should note that while my industrial size has been increasing quickly, it's parallel construction.. It's still something like an in-game year before my new fleet is ready, and until then, I'm pretty damn defenseless. Mind you, when the year is up, I'm going to have alot of toys to hurl at everyone.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-18 12:26pm

You know, as soon as this Arcanist debacle ends, warlike or otherwise, we are coming for you

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-18 12:26pm

Thirdfain wrote:You know, as soon as this Arcanist debacle ends, warlike or otherwise, we are coming for you

Yes, yes you are. You do know I've been playing this power simply to see how long I can delay the inevitable, right?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-18 01:27pm

This will probably end in fire... your fleets will be crippled by my defense blah blah blah

I have a backup empire which will not open up the can of magical worms.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-18 01:41pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:This will probably end in fire... your fleets will be crippled by my defense blah blah blah

If you comply, there need not be any fighting at all.

As for fleets being crippled, I don't think so, really. Even if you respond in kind, Bugsby has his entire fleet on top of your homeworld. Everything. Numerous nations are sending significant portions of their own fleets to assist should you decide to get hostile. Your own fleet is down to 3/4 your starting strength, and is spread very thinly at the moment. Not saying there won't be losses, but hardly crippling ones, unless you decide to concentrate all your fire on one power, like the Krynor did to you.

I have a backup empire which will not open up the can of magical worms.

Very well, but let's not go there until there is no other option.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-18 01:49pm

If you comply, there need not be any fighting at all.

We cang give you what we do not have

We can bring our ships into defensive positioins rather quickly.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-18 02:02pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
If you comply, there need not be any fighting at all.
We cang give you what we do not have

So? Full compliance means you give us everything you do have, and letting us search for things you may have neglected to show us or hidden unhindered. Offer full compliance, stand down, and this can be resolved without a single shot being fired.

We can bring our ships into defensive positioins rather quickly.

Not quickly enough to deal with the immediate threat of Bugsby's fleet, and by the time you gather your own forces, everyone else will be there too. You're going to be facing a massive numerical disadvantage if you try to fight now, and by starting the fight, you are essentially admitting your guilt to conspiring with Nitram.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-18 02:02pm

Frankly, the only possible excuse I can think of for this is that the Arcane Empire, in a fit of total arrogance, assumed that they should hide their weakness and their Machinist problems, so as to maintain an appearance of strength. Only by admitting such a massive breach of diplomacy and ill-advised foolishness can they possibly hope to get out of this alive. And it would have to be one hell of an apology, likely resulting in the loss of offfice by many Arcanist leasders, and the Arcanists would have to open their borders and government files to foreign examination.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-18 02:10pm

Oh, as some people are scanning the planet the Overseer's forces were on: There are alot more layers down below, and enough power sources down there to suggest the Arcanist's didn't finish the job. The Primary Programmer is still there, well underground. Alyrium just decided to cut his losses when he realized the whole place was a trap.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-18 03:18pm

"What proof do you have that the Silliconoids are allied with the Arcanists?"

Um, the fact that the Siliconoids have an operational base right at the heart of Arcane Empire space, a fact which has been kept secret from the Galaxy at large for over a month since the Rape of Terra.

That's pretty damning evidence right there, and the proof is there for everyone to see.

Plus there's the fact that the Arcanists didn't even bother going all out to destroy the place. They just did a smash and grab on the surface facilities, leaving everything below intact. Even if they're guilty of massive incompetance, that's still a crime in most courts, especially military ones.

The Arcanists only hope right now is to bend over backward to comply. Anyone proclaiming Arcane innocence at this point is either willfully ignorant, also in cahoots with the Arcanists and the machines, or simply insane.

The Arcane Empire just became a political pariah. They are the equivilant to Afganistan to Nitram's Osama Bin Laden.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-18 03:50pm

"My God... How? This isn't possible. The Arcanists assist the Overseer?" President Major stared in shock at the screen. "This can't be real. The Arcanists don't even have camera technology; how could they plot in front of one?"

Um, the camera could have been the Mechanoids...and the Arcanists might not have known it was there during the meeting, or might not have cared.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-18 03:52pm

Exactly when did the galaxy at large learn of the Overseer's goals and plans? All that's been said by the Overseer on the subject is they're out to destroy those conspiring to kill it.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-18 03:55pm

2) No allies of the Arcanists were harmed in the Rape.

Bullshit. I lost almost all of the 1st Battle Group, First Fleet. The battleship had to limp home and the carrier's fighter wing is for all practical purposes totally destroyed.

I have enough in-game reasons to proceed with little doubt.

You don't have enough evidence to justify an immediate full scale assault on his homeworld.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-18 03:57pm

SirNitram wrote:Exactly when did the galaxy at large learn of the Overseer's goals and plans? All that's been said by the Overseer on the subject is they're out to destroy those conspiring to kill it.

Erm... I'm pretty sure you declared your intentions back there. The very nature of the Rape of Terra screamed it loud and clear; your fleet remained to destroy any life they could get to even at the cost of its own destruction.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-18 04:00pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Exactly when did the galaxy at large learn of the Overseer's goals and plans? All that's been said by the Overseer on the subject is they're out to destroy those conspiring to kill it.
Erm... I'm pretty sure you declared your intentions back there. The very nature of the Rape of Terra screamed it loud and clear; your fleet remained to destroy any life they could get to even at the cost of its own destruction.

So it's not a known fact, it's a theory by the pundits. The Overseer could just as easily been hunting for hardened bunkers(Which it was actively doing). At no point has the Overseer declared it's intentions of vaporize the Organics, and indeed, it doesn't even think of it that way. It's destroying those who are conspiring to destroy it.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-18 04:01pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
2) No allies of the Arcanists were harmed in the Rape.
Bullshit. I lost almost all of the 1st Battle Group, First Fleet. The battleship had to limp home and the carrier's fighter wing is for all practical purposes totally destroyed.

your dignitaries, however, remained perfectly safe.

I have enough in-game reasons to proceed with little doubt.
You don't have enough evidence to justify an immediate full scale assault on his homeworld.

He does if the Arcanists refuse to comply.

You do realize that, all other things aside, the fact that the Arcanists harbored a large Mechanoid facility in the heart of their own space, which is undeniable at this point, means that the Arcanists are in fact guilty of collaberating with Nitram's people on some level. We're trying to figure out just how deep the ties run at the moment, and any attempt to evade questioning or hide information is going to be seen as an admission of guilt.

Attempting to deny that is commiting political suicide. It's like saying that Americans did not abuse prisoners in Iraq once the photos have been made public.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-18 04:04pm

You do realize that, all other things aside, the fact that the Arcanists harbored a large Mechanoid facility in the heart of their own space, which is undeniable at this point, means that the Arcanists are in fact guilty of collaberating with Nitram's people on some level.

The vast majority of us have associated with the Siliconoids at some point; everyone who was at the last conference did so! Are you going to invade me too? And Thirdfain? And whoever the hell else sent representatives?

You're using the OOC fact that he forgot about the embassy against him IC. Ditto the fact that my Internet time has been extremely limited lately, a factor completely beyond his control. This isn't cricket.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-18 04:07pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
You do realize that, all other things aside, the fact that the Arcanists harbored a large Mechanoid facility in the heart of their own space, which is undeniable at this point, means that the Arcanists are in fact guilty of collaberating with Nitram's people on some level.
The vast majority of us have associated with the Siliconoids at some point; everyone who was at the last conference did so! Are you going to invade me too? And Thirdfain? And whoever the hell else sent representatives?

You're using the OOC fact that he forgot about the embassy against him IC. Ditto the fact that my Internet time has been extremely limited lately, a factor completely beyond his control. This isn't cricket.

No, the Overseer set them up for a fall when it arrived and is now tightening the noose. Again, do people think I committed the Rape of Terra for shits and giggles?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-18 04:14pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
You do realize that, all other things aside, the fact that the Arcanists harbored a large Mechanoid facility in the heart of their own space, which is undeniable at this point, means that the Arcanists are in fact guilty of collaberating with Nitram's people on some level.
The vast majority of us have associated with the Siliconoids at some point; everyone who was at the last conference did so! Are you going to invade me too? And Thirdfain? And whoever the hell else sent representatives?

Associating with them AND PROVIDING THEM AN ENTIRE PLANET AS A BASE OF OPERATIONS are two different things. On top of that, after the Rape of Terra, while everyone else was busy searching for and fighting the Siliconoids, HE KEPT THE SILICONOID BASE IN HIS HOME SYSTEM A SECRET.

That's a pretty fucking huge problem. That's providing succor for a known enemy of sentience. He never once asked for assistance on the matter, or even told anyone about it until the news was leaked to news sources everywhere. Can you not see just how massive this is? It's not just association, it. is. active. collaberation. He helped them, and continued to do so after the Rape of Terra.

You're using the OOC fact that he forgot about the embassy against him IC.

It's a pretty damn huge thing to forget, you know. Also, I love how you're so quick to accuse this sort of thing whenever it best benefits you, but never the other way around. It wouldn't be so bad, but you're so very vocal about it.

Ditto the fact that my Internet time has been extremely limited lately, a factor completely beyond his control. This isn't cricket.

Much as I'd love to, we can't put the game on hold because some people can't keep up for whatever reason. Believe it or not, this doesn't have to end in blood, and if it does resort to combat, we would try and give you and the rest of Alyrium's allies a chance to respond as best we could without bringing the game to a grinding halt.

It's a moot point though, given the current situation, any powers allied with Alyrium who are sensible would want to distance themselves as much as possible from the Arcane Empire right now. Anyone who actively comes to his defense at this point will not only worsen the Aranist position, but also condemn the allies rushing to aid.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-18 04:56pm

You're using the OOC fact that he forgot about the embassy against him IC.

Sorry, "I Forgot" is not an acceptable reason for making a mistake that huge. Alyrium fucked up, and now he pays. That's STGOD life.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-05-18 05:13pm

Be that way. If this goes to war Thridfain, you'll go first.

The United Protectrates will do what it can to ensure a peaceful end to this, but if you want war... Then quit playing games and let's dance.