Do you support/like the EU?

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-10-23 09:32pm

Well, do you? I wanted to know, since I don't really like it and I wanted to hegar from others about it.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-23 09:33pm

What the fuck are you doing?!?!!?!?

You just posted this in the test forum!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-23 09:34pm

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-23 09:36pm

Don't encourage him, Spanky.

1st, we've done this before
2nd, it has no business in this forum
3rd, he jsut posted it in the Testing forum.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-23 09:48pm

Hell yes I like the EU. We got authors like Allston, Stackpole, and Zhan.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-10-23 09:58pm

IG:

1) Is it a crime to do a poll like this again? I just want to know how other people feel about the EU.

2) How does this NOT have anything to do with the PSW thread?

3) I posted it in the Test Forum BECAUSE I WAS TESTING IT!!!!!!!!!!!! FYI, I have never started a poll before and I wanted to see how it would come out. If you want, you don't *HAVE* to reply to *THIS* thread, you can reply in the Testing Forum. Geez.

Now go watch G-Fighter and stop bothering me.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-23 10:06pm

There's no such show as G-Fighter.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-23 10:09pm

I'm sorry. it seems I've taken your poll the wrong way. I apologize. Carry on.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-10-23 10:41pm

Ferget it. And what exactly is the show called? Is it Gundam Mobile Fighter or what?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-23 10:45pm

Mobile Fighter G Gundam.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-10-23 10:53pm

Right.

Reason No.1 why I don't like the EU: it cheapens the saga. SW was conceived as a battle of good vs. evil, set in a gritty future context where necessity sometimes outweighs morality. The EU conveniently removes the latter and turns it into SW: Galactic Ghetto.

To wit: THERE IS NO DARK SIDE! Oh no, there is only the misuse of the Force, no dark side. So Yoda and Kenobi were talking through their asses when they warned Luke about the Dark Side. Vader didn't fall, he just misused his powers. For TWENTY YEARS! Geez! What does this serve apart from allowing EU hack writers to let their pet characters do stuff like Force Grip or Force Lightning people while still remaining a "good" guy? Nothing.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-10-23 10:55pm

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Right.

Reason No.1 why I don't like the EU: it cheapens the saga. SW was conceived as a battle of good vs. evil, set in a gritty future context where necessity sometimes outweighs morality. The EU conveniently removes the latter and turns it into SW: Galactic Ghetto.

To wit: THERE IS NO DARK SIDE! Oh no, there is only the misuse of the Force, no dark side. So Yoda and Kenobi were talking through their asses when they warned Luke about the Dark Side. Vader didn't fall, he just misused his powers. For TWENTY YEARS! Geez! What does this serve apart from allowing EU hack writers to let their pet characters do stuff like Force Grip or Force Lightning people while still remaining a "good" guy? Nothing.

Luke used Force Grip in the very beginning of RotJ. Does that mean that he was lost to the Dark Side from the beginning?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-23 11:04pm

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Right.

Reason No.1 why I don't like the EU: it cheapens the saga. SW was conceived as a battle of good vs. evil, set in a gritty future context where necessity sometimes outweighs morality. The EU conveniently removes the latter and turns it into SW: Galactic Ghetto.

To wit: THERE IS NO DARK SIDE! Oh no, there is only the misuse of the Force, no dark side. So Yoda and Kenobi were talking through their asses when they warned Luke about the Dark Side. Vader didn't fall, he just misused his powers. For TWENTY YEARS! Geez! What does this serve apart from allowing EU hack writers to let their pet characters do stuff like Force Grip or Force Lightning people while still remaining a "good" guy? Nothing.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-10-23 11:10pm

Some guy wrote in on TFN that there is no dark side, only its misuse. I'll dig up the URL and show it to you.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-23 11:13pm

Since when are posts on TF.N part of the EU?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-23 11:17pm

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Right.

Reason No.1 why I don't like the EU: it cheapens the saga. SW was conceived as a battle of good vs. evil, set in a gritty future context where necessity sometimes outweighs morality. The EU conveniently removes the latter and turns it into SW: Galactic Ghetto.

To wit: THERE IS NO DARK SIDE! Oh no, there is only the misuse of the Force, no dark side. So Yoda and Kenobi were talking through their asses when they warned Luke about the Dark Side. Vader didn't fall, he just misused his powers. For TWENTY YEARS! Geez! What does this serve apart from allowing EU hack writers to let their pet characters do stuff like Force Grip or Force Lightning people while still remaining a "good" guy? Nothing.

I actually sort of agree to a very limited extent with your first sentiment. Primarily how so many SW fans worship the Empire these days...I don't think that much is really the fault of the authors, that has more to do with jerk-off fantasies about the Empire that are occassionally confirmed by passages from the EU (I'm not trying to start a new thread about whether the Empire is bad or not, we've had enough of those).

As for your second sentiment, well, it's a recent development in the EU and we have no reason to believe that this early into the development of the no-darkside theory, it is going to become the norm and completely replace the old school of thought concerning the Force.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-10-23 11:18pm

It was a quote from an EU author. And since the authors are going to govern the policy of the EU I think it's fairly reasonable to make the jump. I still haven't found the quote yet (I'm starting to think it may not actually be there at all, because I forgot the URL I encountered it at) but I'm working on it.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-23 11:22pm

The book you're looking for is most likely Traitor. The quote is from Vergere. However, Walter Jon Williams, the author of the follow-up to Traitor, Destiny's Way, said in a recent interview that Vergere's view of the force is 1) only one, not the only way of viewing the Force and 2) is ultimately just as incomplete as Luke's view of the force is.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-10-24 01:06am

Korr: That being the case, I'll say no more about the darkside issue until I get the exat quote..

Another peeve I have with the EU is the lack of originality. I think you might have noticed the abundance of superweapons in the EU, all of which are "more powerful than the Death Star" Then what, may I ask, was the point of building the Death Star in the first place? Maybe they want to create a worthy adversary to destroy, but after a while, it just gets too ostentatious.

Ans speaking of the Death Star, who the heck invented it? EU first said Bevel Lemelisk designed the thing, but when we saw the Geonosians handing the plancs to Dooku, the writers were stuck with a continuity problem, until recently they came up with the patch fix that Lemelisk designed the superlaser while the Genonosians designed the rest of it.

Sure. You can almost see them now, scrabbling for an idea to fix the gaping hole in what is supposed to be a coherent universe. This is getting to be like Star Trek already.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-24 11:08am

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Korr: That being the case, I'll say no more about the darkside issue until I get the exat quote..

Another peeve I have with the EU is the lack of originality. I think you might have noticed the abundance of superweapons in the EU, all of which are "more powerful than the Death Star" Then what, may I ask, was the point of building the Death Star in the first place? Maybe they want to create a worthy adversary to destroy, but after a while, it just gets too ostentatious.

Ans speaking of the Death Star, who the heck invented it? EU first said Bevel Lemelisk designed the thing, but when we saw the Geonosians handing the plancs to Dooku, the writers were stuck with a continuity problem, until recently they came up with the patch fix that Lemelisk designed the superlaser while the Genonosians designed the rest of it.

Sure. You can almost see them now, scrabbling for an idea to fix the gaping hole in what is supposed to be a coherent universe. This is getting to be like Star Trek already.

As for your superweapons problem: blame KJA.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-24 11:35am

Bah. Some good, some bad. Most of the bad stuff can be attributed to KJA.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-24 11:37am

Bad can be attributed to KJA, Good can Be Atribbuted to Zahn

Thus are the laws of EU

I support Zahn, HAIL ZAHN!

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-10-24 12:53pm

Hail Zahn!

hvb · Post by **hvb** » 2002-10-24 02:36pm

I would have to say Zahn & Allston write good stories, while trying to stay true to SW, so good on them

, and Stackpole is OK although I think his fantasy is better then his SW

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Everybody else should have been forced to see, read & hear the canon before starting writing their stuff

, 'course it would very much appear from their work that KJA and quite a few of the others didn't do this!

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-10-24 02:52pm

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:Well, do you? I wanted to know, since I don't really like it and I wanted to hegar from others about it.

It's really more of a yes/no answer. I like some while not liking others. That manual that refers to the globes atop an ISD as shield generators -- don't much like that book.

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