Problem with that is that we've already armed the Israelies well enough to conquer half of the Middle East. I can't imagine that they'll simply stay still if US support was cut off.Joe wrote:Better to just cut off all aid right now and have that be that. I'm not so keen on the idea of giving the Palestinians money to create a state lorded over by Arafat or someone else equally or more thuggish.Durandal wrote:I'll say again: I think the best solution to this problem would be to withdraw all military and financial support from Israel ... and give it to Palestine. Then switch off every few years. Either they'll learn to put themselves in the other's shoes, or they'll kill each other. Either way, we won't have to put up with their shit anymore.
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Israel doesn't have the power or resources to rule half of the Middle East.The Kernel wrote:Problem with that is that we've already armed the Israelies well enough to conquer half of the Middle East. I can't imagine that they'll simply stay still if US support was cut off.Joe wrote:Better to just cut off all aid right now and have that be that. I'm not so keen on the idea of giving the Palestinians money to create a state lorded over by Arafat or someone else equally or more thuggish.Durandal wrote:I'll say again: I think the best solution to this problem would be to withdraw all military and financial support from Israel ... and give it to Palestine. Then switch off every few years. Either they'll learn to put themselves in the other's shoes, or they'll kill each other. Either way, we won't have to put up with their shit anymore.
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Or we could cease all aid and expend nuclear bombs we have to dismantle anyway to wipe out one or both sides. That'll accomplish the same goal for far less money, do so in a far shorter timeframe and give many people a proper fear of the USA. Your plan would only result in the annihilation of the Palestinians anyway, a few billion dollars in aid doesn't create a military.Durandal wrote:I'll say again: I think the best solution to this problem would be to withdraw all military and financial support from Israel ... and give it to Palestine. Then switch off every few years. Either they'll learn to put themselves in the other's shoes, or they'll kill each other. Either way, we won't have to put up with their shit anymore.
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Israel couldn't occupy Syria, let alone half the middile Middle East. Just dealing with the West Bank and Gaza and watching the boarders uses up all there active manpower, and they can only keep there reserves in the field for extremely short periods. Strong as the IDF is, as its set up its Army really can't go very far in any direction and even its ability to bomb thing more then a few hundred miles away is very limited.The Kernel wrote:
Problem with that is that we've already armed the Israelies well enough to conquer half of the Middle East. I can't imagine that they'll simply stay still if US support was cut off.
If US aid were cut off all that would happen is they'd simply unleash there full might on the West Bank and Gaza, forge lone tank shells, they'd be firing artillery barrages, and grind both areas into dust.
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I’m a little confused here, either you’re an extremely dry but unfunny wit or a psychopath could you please add a smiley to your next post to clarify.Sea Skimmer wrote:Or we could cease all aid and expend nuclear bombs we have to dismantle anyway to wipe out one or both sides. That'll accomplish the same goal for far less money, do so in a far shorter timeframe and give many people a proper fear of the USA. Your plan would only result in the annihilation of the Palestinians anyway, a few billion dollars in aid doesn't create a military.Durandal wrote:I'll say again: I think the best solution to this problem would be to withdraw all military and financial support from Israel ... and give it to Palestine. Then switch off every few years. Either they'll learn to put themselves in the other's shoes, or they'll kill each other. Either way, we won't have to put up with their shit anymore.
What do you mean? That's all facts, neither psychopathic, funny, nor anything else. Just facts.
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Don't forget the Egyptians too. We've given them one shit load of moneyThe Kernel wrote: Problem with that is that we've already armed the Israelies well enough to conquer half of the Middle East. I can't imagine that they'll simply stay still if US support was cut off.
and tanks, and whatnot since Camp David, same with the Israelis to buy
them both off.
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It is this bit hereHowedar wrote:What do you mean? That's all facts, neither psychopathic, funny, nor anything else. Just facts.
where Skimmer advocates glassing Israel/Palestine that I’m having trouble with. How is that just facts?Sea Skimmer wrote:expend nuclear bombs we have to dismantle anyway to wipe out one or both sides. That'll accomplish the same goal for far less money, do so in a far shorter timeframe and give many people a proper fear of the USA.
Actually, Sea Skimmer was responding to Durandal, who was suggesting that we alternate military aid between both sides until they make peace or wipe each other out, and Sea Skimmer's reply basically boils down to: "If you're aim is to wipe both of them out, it's far cheaper and less time consuming to glass them over than using military aid to force both sides to wipe each other out".where Skimmer advocates glassing Israel/Palestine that I’m having trouble with. How is that just facts?
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Re: No Doubt
It was designed by a Jew, y'know.Frank Hipper wrote:You have GOT to be SHITTING ME!
That goes so very fucking far beyond "irony" I don't have a clue as to what word in the very versatile English language covers it!!!!!
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You're a fucking retard. He advocated nothing. He said that an alternative would be a cheaper way to accomplish a task. He did not say the task should or should not be attempted.Plekhanov wrote: It is this bit here
where Skimmer advocates glassing Israel/Palestine that I?m having trouble with. How is that just facts?
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Re: No Doubt
Yep Fritz Haber, the man who gave us a WWI measured in years instead of months and he also pioneered chemical warfare for the Germans.Illuminatus Primus wrote:
It was designed by a Jew, y'know.
In the end he was forced to emigrate by the Nazis and died a broken man because of his rejection by his beloved Germany which he had served so loyally.