STGOD 4 OOC Thread

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-20 03:17pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:This isn't Stargate, if you recall.
And how are you even supposed to communicate with it when any incoming signal will be reduced to random garble?
Why should communication matter? Or are you now claiming technology to jam Stargates?
No, he's claiming that the black hole will stop communication with the gate.

Furthermore, it'd be metagaming if we were using all this knowledge to call your bluff in game. We are not doing so. This is the OOC thread. Until someone has an admiral say "Oh, they can't have supernova tech because its not allowed" in the game, no metagaming has occurred.

Why would communication with the stargate matter? You dial into the blackhole gate, not out of it.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-20 03:18pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:This isn't Stargate, if you recall.
And how are you even supposed to communicate with it when any incoming signal will be reduced to random garble?
Why should communication matter? Or are you now claiming technology to jam Stargates?
No, he's claiming that the black hole will stop communication with the gate.

Again. The series the technology is taken from proves this a big pile of BS.

Furthermore, it'd be metagaming if we were using all this knowledge to call your bluff in game. We are not doing so. This is the OOC thread. Until someone has an admiral say "Oh, they can't have supernova tech because its not allowed" in the game, no metagaming has occurred.

Except that he's decided he won't beleive the bluff. Hrm, wonder why.

Oh well. I'm sure no one will declare his shields can withstand twelve hours of solid bombardment, especially when I don't have supernova weapons.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-05-20 03:18pm

SirNitram wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:Well, In-game my goverment doesn't believe you, since they ALSO have stargate schematics and possession of a gate.
Then they're unsalvagable retards for being unable to see the use. Gravity travels through, therefore...

This will have to await a mod's ruling.
And consider, lets suppose it DOES work, and the star DOES go nova. I doubt a puny M-class star will suddenly explode violently enough to seriously endanger a fully shielded planet.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-20 03:19pm

Exactly. Black holes concentrate immense amount of radiation. Furthermore, the stargate cannot possibly be in the black hole without being crushed; a black hole is a superdense pinprick IIRC. The gate is simply too big to be physically inside of it without being crushed.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-20 03:19pm

Captain tycho wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:Well, In-game my goverment doesn't believe you, since they ALSO have stargate schematics and possession of a gate.
Then they're unsalvagable retards for being unable to see the use. Gravity travels through, therefore...
This will have to await a mod's ruling.
And consider, lets suppose it DOES work, and the star DOES go nova. I doubt a puny M-class star will suddenly explode violently enough to seriously endanger a fully shielded planet.

That's exactly what happened in the series.

But I'm not looking for a mods ruling on the weapon; I'll look for one on your 'Uh, I link my shields into the VIOLENTLY UNSTABLE element and become INVINCIBLE against concentrated bombardment'.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-05-20 03:20pm

SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
SirNitram wrote: Why should communication matter? Or are you now claiming technology to jam Stargates?
No, he's claiming that the black hole will stop communication with the gate.
Again. The series the technology is taken from proves this a big pile of BS.

Furthermore, it'd be metagaming if we were using all this knowledge to call your bluff in game. We are not doing so. This is the OOC thread. Until someone has an admiral say "Oh, they can't have supernova tech because its not allowed" in the game, no metagaming has occurred.
Except that he's decided he won't beleive the bluff. Hrm, wonder why.

Oh well. I'm sure no one will declare his shields can withstand twelve hours of solid bombardment, especially when I don't have supernova weapons.

When you're pouring virtually your ENTIRE planetary power grid into 3 seperate shield generators, why the fuck not?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-05-20 03:20pm

Depends on how many ships your hitting it with, and how much power was in that grid.

They'd probably either be down entirely, or on the verge of collapse when the R'ohallan fleet arrives, and if they can't stop you, the planet would already be ravaged when mine show up a few hours later

(I just realized that Tycho's fleets were already on their way when the attack started.)

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-05-20 03:21pm

My shields are not linked to the naquadah, for christ's sakes.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-05-20 03:22pm

Darksider wrote:Depends on how many ships your hitting it with, and how much power was in that grid.

They'd probably either be down entirely, or on the verge of collapse when the R'ohallan fleet arrives, and if they can't stop you, the planet would already be ravaged when mine show up a few hours later

(I just realized that Tycho's fleets were already on their way when the attack started.)

The grid powered hundreds of deep-surface mining facilties, a big city, a thousand planetary disruptor cannons, dozens of smaller cities, etc.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-20 03:22pm

The stargate IS NOT inside the black hole, just near it.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-20 03:25pm

astrologists and various other scientists

How dare you so slander the name of science?!?

The word you're looking for is astronomers; an astrologist writes horoscopes.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-20 03:27pm

SirNitram wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:
SirNitram wrote: Then they're unsalvagable retards for being unable to see the use. Gravity travels through, therefore...
This will have to await a mod's ruling.
And consider, lets suppose it DOES work, and the star DOES go nova. I doubt a puny M-class star will suddenly explode violently enough to seriously endanger a fully shielded planet.
That's exactly what happened in the series.

And the Netherese Empire could toss spells like you wouldn't believe and divine all the secrets of all our empires in a matter of days if they put their minds to it. In canon. Do you really want to start applying this?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-20 03:27pm

Captain tycho wrote:When you're pouring virtually your ENTIRE planetary power grid into 3 seperate shield generators, why the fuck not?

Conservation of Momentum, for one. These are railgun shots; vaporizing the shells takes a shitload more energy than flinging them.

Then there's the reason I launched this attack; because you're playing the incredibly moronic tactic of ignoring the idea of reserves. You left ten fighter squadrons as all your defense, and now you get to reap what you sow. The attacker always has the advantage; it's called Position of the Interior.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-05-20 03:32pm

My shield isn't supposed to last forever, but it'll hold until my fleet get's back.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-20 03:33pm

Captain tycho wrote:My shield isn't supposed to last forever, but it'll hold until my fleet get's back.

I somehow doubt that would be allowed; that would reward your idiotic tactic.

*'*69's' the Stargate*

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-05-20 03:34pm

Oh, and you say *I'M* metagaming when you attack just when my fleet is away? You couldnt even get that intel.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-20 03:35pm

Captain tycho wrote:Oh, and you say *I'M* metagaming when you attack just when my fleet is away? You couldnt even get that intel.

Sure I could. It's called a ship count from my base in Arcanist space, and my ships scanning the system on approach.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-20 03:42pm

ooc:
I don't really feel like going through the training in detail. Can we just assume that it's going on and check in every so often?

Thaqt's what I had in mind, this post was supposed to be a prelude to a montage(tm).

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-20 03:47pm

My shift's over in 15 minutes. I'll be back on at 7:30 EST.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-05-20 03:52pm

Captain tycho wrote:When you're pouring virtually your ENTIRE planetary power grid into 3 seperate shield generators, why the fuck not?

Since when do shield generators have an unlimited capacity to handle power input? If you put that much power through the circuits you'd fry them. Electric engines that get struck by lightning don't get more powerful.

Also, I think a nova weapon would be a little unbalancing. I don't know about that, hmmm...

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-05-20 03:54pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:When you're pouring virtually your ENTIRE planetary power grid into 3 seperate shield generators, why the fuck not?
Since when do shield generators have an unlimited capacity to handle power input? If you put that much power through the circuits you'd fry them. Electric engines that get struck by lightning don't get more powerful.

Also, I think a nova weapon would be a little unbalancing. I don't know about that, hmmm...

These shield generators were MADE to handle this, albeit not forever.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-05-20 03:57pm

Captain tycho wrote:These shield generators were MADE to handle this, albeit not forever.

I'm glad you included such an unorthodox and uncommon capability in your OOB--because it would not only require your shield generators alone to be modified. The whole planetary power network would also have to be designed with this use in mind, from the wires to the stations.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-20 03:58pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:When you're pouring virtually your ENTIRE planetary power grid into 3 seperate shield generators, why the fuck not?
Since when do shield generators have an unlimited capacity to handle power input? If you put that much power through the circuits you'd fry them. Electric engines that get struck by lightning don't get more powerful.

Also, I think a nova weapon would be a little unbalancing. I don't know about that, hmmm...

I would argue it's not, because you distroy 2 stargates every time you do it, and there are only so many stargates left.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-20 03:59pm

Oh, I see. They can survive being in a black hole, but not a lackluster quasi-nova from an M class star.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-20 03:59pm

lazerus wrote:
Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:When you're pouring virtually your ENTIRE planetary power grid into 3 seperate shield generators, why the fuck not?
Since when do shield generators have an unlimited capacity to handle power input? If you put that much power through the circuits you'd fry them. Electric engines that get struck by lightning don't get more powerful.

Also, I think a nova weapon would be a little unbalancing. I don't know about that, hmmm...
I would argue it's not, because you distroy 2 stargates every time you do it, and there are only so many stargates left.

I actually agree with Pablo. It'd be quite unbalancing; actually having star or planetbusters would be terribly unbalancing.

But there's nothing unbalancing about bluffing like a master.