STGOD 4 OOC Thread

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-21 01:02pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Because I suppose some people get their jollies out of total extermination for no particular reason.

Some people can stop metagaming long enough to enjoy playing a villain.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-05-21 01:08pm

Thirdfain wrote:-sigh- It' s kind of sad the way the first generation of villians in this STGOD lowered the bar for everyone...

Improvements must be made, obviously.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-21 01:09pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:-sigh- It' s kind of sad the way the first generation of villians in this STGOD lowered the bar for everyone...
Improvements must be made, obviously.

Heh heh.........yeah. Sorry about most of that.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-21 01:17pm

SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Because I suppose some people get their jollies out of total extermination for no particular reason.
Some people can stop metagaming long enough to enjoy playing a villain.

What can I say? I'm a dedicated paladin player. *Shrug*

And it was three battle stations. I ordered some heavy capital ships way back about page 35 or so. How much more time would it take to reasonably complete a heavy warship from that time?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-21 01:19pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Because I suppose some people get their jollies out of total extermination for no particular reason.
Some people can stop metagaming long enough to enjoy playing a villain.
What can I say? I'm a dedicated paladin player. *Shrug*

And it was three battle stations. I ordered some heavy capital ships way back about page 35 or so. How much more time would it take to reasonably complete a heavy warship from that time?

Well, I'll put it like this. When that time is elapsed, you can expect fleets big enough to make everyone piss themselves coming from beyond Known Space.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-21 01:34pm

lazerus wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Everything of value? Hardly. He left his infrastructure entirely intact, if you'll recall. But a staff is a relatively little thing that the owner would likely be carrying at the time of the evacuation. Why leave it?
Because, being the most common magic item in FR. There would be a lot of them lying around.

Actually, wands are the most common. And someone is sure as ell going to take a staff with something like Polymorph other with them when they leave.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-21 01:38pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Actually, wands are the most common. And someone is sure as ell going to take a staff with something like Polymorph other with them when they leave.

Yes, that's it. Take it all.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-21 01:44pm

SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
SirNitram wrote: Some people can stop metagaming long enough to enjoy playing a villain.
What can I say? I'm a dedicated paladin player. *Shrug*

And it was three battle stations. I ordered some heavy capital ships way back about page 35 or so. How much more time would it take to reasonably complete a heavy warship from that time?
Well, I'll put it like this. When that time is elapsed, you can expect fleets big enough to make everyone piss themselves coming from beyond Known Space.

Ah. So you can build hordes of capital ships to replace and exceed all your losses in less than the time it takes me to add five capital ships to my already existing fleets. Gotcha.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-21 01:46pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: What can I say? I'm a dedicated paladin player. *Shrug*

And it was three battle stations. I ordered some heavy capital ships way back about page 35 or so. How much more time would it take to reasonably complete a heavy warship from that time?
Well, I'll put it like this. When that time is elapsed, you can expect fleets big enough to make everyone piss themselves coming from beyond Known Space.
Ah. So you can build hordes of capital ships to replace and exceed all your losses in less than the time it takes me to add five capital ships to my already existing fleets. Gotcha.

I'm not stopping anyone from finding my bases in the intervening time. There's certainyl enough of them, but you'd rather notice them coming into the system. The towers extending up into orbit give them away.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-21 01:46pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
lazerus wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Everything of value? Hardly. He left his infrastructure entirely intact, if you'll recall. But a staff is a relatively little thing that the owner would likely be carrying at the time of the evacuation. Why leave it?
Because, being the most common magic item in FR. There would be a lot of them lying around.
Actually, wands are the most common. And someone is sure as ell going to take a staff with something like Polymorph other with them when they leave.

Why? If you have a high-magic society like yours, items with a "X times per day" would be common. You buy one, and use it forever.

And polymorph other is an incredably usefull spell.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-21 01:48pm

lazerus wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
lazerus wrote: Because, being the most common magic item in FR. There would be a lot of them lying around.
Actually, wands are the most common. And someone is sure as ell going to take a staff with something like Polymorph other with them when they leave.
Why? If you have a high-magic society like yours, items with a "X times per day" would be common. You buy one, and use it forever.

And polymorph other is an incredably usefull spell.

1) Lazerus, you do not get to define what your opponent's society is like.

2) You don't get to define what his citizens have.

3) Stop being a fucking powergamer. You're nearly as bad as Rogue 9's metagaming.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-05-21 01:51pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Ah. So you can build hordes of capital ships to replace and exceed all your losses in less than the time it takes me to add five capital ships to my already existing fleets. Gotcha.

Even if he had precisely the same territory and production capacity as you, he would still be kicking your shit all over the place in terms of naval buildup, because you're a relatively free democratic society with a capitalist economy. The Overseer doesn't just have a superior military-industrial complex, he is a military-industrial complex!

I'm inclined to allow a certain inbalance of power because it makes a better story... now, back in the old days before SDN, the STGOD concept of everyone being equal did not exist. The major players were many times stronger than the others, and only an interlocking alliance system and mutual hatred kept things from exploding all the time. And the villainous, aggressive nations were stronger, because otherwise they wouldn't have any opportunity to be villainous and aggressive. In order to keep them in check, the nicer nations had to set aside their differences and work together to push back the bad guys.

And therein lay the story.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-21 01:51pm

I'm not stopping anyone from finding my bases in the intervening time. There's certainyl enough of them, but you'd rather notice them coming into the system. The towers extending up into orbit give them away.

Exaclty- I rather suspect that soon enough some of the probes we've launched will be bringing back word of some interesting findings. Unless we are negligent, those machine fleets will never materialise.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-21 01:51pm

You're nearly as bad as Rogue 9's metagaming.

When I start using the OOC observations I make here to justify in game actions, feel free to start tossing that around. Until then, learn the common definition of "metagaming."

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-21 01:52pm

lazerus wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
lazerus wrote: Because, being the most common magic item in FR. There would be a lot of them lying around.
Actually, wands are the most common. And someone is sure as ell going to take a staff with something like Polymorph other with them when they leave.
Why? If you have a high-magic society like yours, items with a "X times per day" would be common. You buy one, and use it forever.

And polymorph other is an incredably usefull spell.

A spell like polymorph other may be useful, and if it is useful, people would take it with them. Not only that, but you only ever declared the capture of troops, not property,and the area was nuked. There was nothing left to loot.

And we will know if you edit your post.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-21 01:53pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
You're nearly as bad as Rogue 9's metagaming.
When I start using the OOC observations I make here to justify in game actions, feel free to start tossing that around. Until then, learn the common definition of "metagaming."

Using OOC knowledge ICly. Like how you are completely ignoring the ever-increasing stockpile of evidence against the Arcanists because you know OOCly it's a setup.

Thank you, come again.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-21 01:56pm

I would like, with your permission, to start a new empire, before you shout that i'm was lucky to be allowed to re-actiave the NJR, please hear me out. (the fact that I WAS lucky to get the NJR non-withstanding.)

My old empire would not simply "fade away" but would assume it's rightfull subordanate place as a protectorate of Strahta's empire. (I was planning to renew the treaty in 6 months anyway.) This would prevent any real tension as far as that old empire phasing out.

I would like my new empire, to consist of 1, maybe two planets. The race would be human, sharing a communal intellegence somewhat like the one of "mars" here. They would be a very peacefull race (IE, no more of my delusional schemes). I would start with between 1/4 and 1/2 of normal fleet size. (that's up to you.)

The reason I ask this is that the NJR is, for all intents and purposes, non-existant. The South Korea of STGOD. Yes, I know that's my fault, and yes, I know I majorly screwed up my second chance to fix it (the krynor empire). But I'm asking for one last shot.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-21 01:58pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
lazerus wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote: Actually, wands are the most common. And someone is sure as ell going to take a staff with something like Polymorph other with them when they leave.
Why? If you have a high-magic society like yours, items with a "X times per day" would be common. You buy one, and use it forever.

And polymorph other is an incredably usefull spell.
A spell like polymorph other may be useful, and if it is useful, people would take it with them. Not only that, but you only ever declared the capture of troops, not property,and the area was nuked. There was nothing left to loot.

And we will know if you edit your post.

You evacuated, ergo everything left of the planet is up for grabs. We just hit an area that we thought would have a lot of magic shiz and found ONE.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-21 02:00pm

Erm... I'm not ignoring it because of OOC knowledge. I'm disbelieving it because it is frickin' obvious that you would benefit greatly from the downfall of the Arcane Empire, you are none too friendly or trustworthy, and you are the sole source of evidence of their betrayal, that evidence consisting solely of easily forged recordings. 2+2=4.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-21 02:03pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Erm... I'm not ignoring it because of OOC knowledge. I'm disbelieving it because it is frickin' obvious that you would benefit greatly from the downfall of the Arcane Empire, you are none too friendly or trustworthy, and you are the sole source of evidence of their betrayal, that evidence consisting solely of easily forged recordings. 2+2=4.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Again you ignore that there was a base there for ages without a peep. Again you ignore instead of let people in and prove it, they run away. Oh wait.. You refuse to consider the latter because you metagame and assume the Hajr would invade instead(Which is amusing as FUCK, as he wasn't even deploying forces to the region at the time).

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-05-21 02:05pm

lazerus wrote:The reason I ask this is that the NJR is, for all intents and purposes, non-existant. The South Korea of STGOD. Yes, I know that's my fault, and yes, I know I majorly screwed up my second chance to fix it (the krynor empire). But I'm asking for one last shot.

Your playing has definitely improved and as the proposed nation will not unbalance the STGOD and could have easily escaped prior notice, I am inclined to grant this request... pending group discussion.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-21 02:06pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
lazerus wrote:The reason I ask this is that the NJR is, for all intents and purposes, non-existant. The South Korea of STGOD. Yes, I know that's my fault, and yes, I know I majorly screwed up my second chance to fix it (the krynor empire). But I'm asking for one last shot.
Your playing has definitely improved and as the proposed nation will not unbalance the STGOD and could have easily escaped prior notice, I am inclined to grant this request... pending group discussion.

thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-05-21 02:07pm

SirNitram wrote:Oh wait.. You refuse to consider the latter because you metagame and assume the Hajr would invade instead(Which is amusing as FUCK, as he wasn't even deploying forces to the region at the time).

Then how in the hell is he now claiming and occupying systems without forces in the area, hmm?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-05-21 02:08pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Erm... I'm not ignoring it because of OOC knowledge. I'm disbelieving it because it is frickin' obvious that you would benefit greatly from the downfall of the Arcane Empire,

How so? Nobody knows IC that the Overseers hates and fears magic-users, and Alyriums destruction doesn't alter the coalition against the Overseer enough to make any difference.

you are none too friendly or trustworthy, and you are the sole source of evidence of their betrayal,

The fact that Alyrium maintained an Overseer embassy in his home system unmolested for weeks is DAMN suspicious, don't you think?

that evidence consisting solely of easily forged recordings.

Not anymore! My troops found a shitload of stuff that is rather damning.

EDIT: Including prototypes of magic-machine hybrids that my analysts have examined and vetted as being plausible. (with Alyrium's exit they are the only analysts currently in-game with the knowledge to state this, btw)

2+2=4.

No, 2+2=FISH.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-21 02:08pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Oh wait.. You refuse to consider the latter because you metagame and assume the Hajr would invade instead(Which is amusing as FUCK, as he wasn't even deploying forces to the region at the time).
Then how in the hell is he now claiming and occupying systems without forces in the area, hmm?

Because since the Arcanists have run away, he has moved in. I was referring to your utterly delusional rantings that he'd open fire when he wasn't in the system.