STGOD 4 OOC Thread

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 12:45pm

Hotfoot wrote:
lazerus wrote:Ok, true, my bad.

But I stand by my point that it's quick enough that while you could scramble defences, you don't have the time to get a full battlegroup in position.
Nope, sorry, FTL can only go so fast, and I'm outside of known space, meaning it will take you days to get to me. Meaning your wormhole is going to appear long before you can get to me.

Here's the deal. Either it's the battlegroup, and your people can get the chance make it out of here alive, or it's planetary defenses, which are not so inclined to ask you nicely to go away before blowing the crap out of you. I was feeling generous, so you got Clay.

I'M beyond known space, so that's a non-issue. And the wormhole would appear just as the ship does, not in advance.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 12:48pm

Look, think of a normal ship as a car. And this as a car with the engine replaced with a JATO rocket.

It's very easy to detect, but also very fast. And of limited millitary application.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-22 12:49pm

lazerus wrote:I'M beyond known space, so that's a non-issue.

Unless you're right next to me, which you aren't, then you have to go even farther to get to me.

And the wormhole would appear just as the ship does, not in advance.

My head hurts when you try to justify this. Wormholes are point to point. You need both ends active for there to be a middle.

You just gave me a week or more of prep time. Thanks.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-22 12:49pm

lazerus wrote:I stand by the fact that the ability to send ships really fast isn't all that millitary usefull when I have a negligable millitary, the ships couldn't return home, and it isn't an issue given that their peacefull!

Also, I have recieved a massive downgrade in ships and planets. Not a downgrade in tech.

'It wasn't specifically forbidden, therefore I get whatever I want!'

None of your stuff is DS9 level. Your speed is too high.

I'M beyond known space, so that's a non-issue. And the wormhole would appear just as the ship does, not in advance.

Are you now? Good. I can eat you without anyone noticing.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 12:51pm

Hotfoot wrote:
lazerus wrote:I'M beyond known space, so that's a non-issue.
Unless you're right next to me, which you aren't, then you have to go even farther to get to me.
And the wormhole would appear just as the ship does, not in advance.
My head hurts when you try to justify this. Wormholes are point to point. You need both ends active for there to be a middle.

You just gave me a week or more of prep time. Thanks.

Allright, by that logic, a wormhole is the same length no matter how long the trip is in realspace.

So it take my ships exactly 5 min to reach a location, weather it's the star next door or the other side of the galaxy? Is THAT what your saying?

'It wasn't specifically forbidden, therefore I get whatever I want!'

None of your stuff is DS9 level. Your speed is too high.

What is the problem you have with somthing that HAS NO MILITARY APPLICATON.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 12:53pm

Look, can we get a mod ruling on this?

I think going very very very fast, in exchange for an inability to stop, turn around, or head to a new destination once you've started is a fair trade off. You know, advantages and limitaions?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-22 12:53pm

lazerus wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:
lazerus wrote:I'M beyond known space, so that's a non-issue.
Unless you're right next to me, which you aren't, then you have to go even farther to get to me.
And the wormhole would appear just as the ship does, not in advance.
My head hurts when you try to justify this. Wormholes are point to point. You need both ends active for there to be a middle.

You just gave me a week or more of prep time. Thanks.
Allright, by that logic, a wormhole is the same length no matter how long the trip is in realspace.

So it take my ships exactly 5 min to reach a location, weather it's the star next door or the other side of the galaxy? Is THAT what your saying?

'It wasn't specifically forbidden, therefore I get whatever I want!'

None of your stuff is DS9 level. Your speed is too high.
What is the problem you have with somthing that HAS NO MILITARY APPLICATON.

Because I have experience with you and how you twist stuff to your advantage no matter what. But hey, since it has no military application, the Overseer out in the Badlands with you will eat you up without slowing down.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 12:54pm

SirNitram wrote:
lazerus wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:Unless you're right next to me, which you aren't, then you have to go even farther to get to me. My head hurts when you try to justify this. Wormholes are point to point. You need both ends active for there to be a middle.

You just gave me a week or more of prep time. Thanks.
Allright, by that logic, a wormhole is the same length no matter how long the trip is in realspace.

So it take my ships exactly 5 min to reach a location, weather it's the star next door or the other side of the galaxy? Is THAT what your saying?

'It wasn't specifically forbidden, therefore I get whatever I want!'

None of your stuff is DS9 level. Your speed is too high.
What is the problem you have with somthing that HAS NO MILITARY APPLICATON.
Because I have experience with you and how you twist stuff to your advantage no matter what. But hey, since it has no military application, the Overseer out in the Badlands with you will eat you up without slowing down.

We do still have orbital cannons and such, and last I checked, wern't you too busy getting your ass kicked to attack another 2 planets?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-22 12:55pm

lazerus wrote:We do still have orbital cannons and such, and last I checked, wern't you too busy getting your ass kicked to attack another 2 planets?

Getting my ass kicked would have required Tycho actually had something other than some pissant fighters to defend himself. My ships are now safely on their way back home.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-22 12:56pm

lazerus wrote:Allright, by that logic, a wormhole is the same length no matter how long the trip is in realspace.

Nope, it's just stating a fact that a wormhole needs two points to have a middle. Do I need to teach you basic geometry to get the point across?

So it take my ships exactly 5 min to reach a location, weather it's the star next door or the other side of the galaxy? Is THAT what your saying?

Nope, do try to pay attention.

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Both points need to be active for the wormhole tunnel to remain stable. Want to guess what happens when the two points aren't active?

Yup, those ships are gone. Good game, no remake. Looks like you haven't even developed FTL tech yet. Have fun deploying ships between systems with STL.

What is the problem you have with somthing that HAS NO MILITARY APPLICATON.

If it's beyond the tech level, it doesn't matter, and it has plenty of miltary application if anyone else gets their hands on it, and with your military, it wouldn't be too hard to do.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 12:59pm

Nope, it's just stating a fact that a wormhole needs two points to have a middle. Do I need to teach you basic geometry to get the point across?

Do I need to teach you basic relitivy? Take a piece of paper, put two dots on it, fold the paper between the dots. The dots touch.

THIS IS TRUE NO MATTER HOW FAR APART THE DOTS ARE.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-22 12:59pm

lazerus wrote:
Nope, it's just stating a fact that a wormhole needs two points to have a middle. Do I need to teach you basic geometry to get the point across?
Do I need to teach you basic relitivy? Take a piece of paper, put two dots on it, fold the paper between the dots. The dots touch.

THIS IS TRUE NO MATTER HOW FAR APART THE DOTS ARE.

Foldspace technology is endlessly ahead of DS9 technology. Therefore you cannot have it. So kiss my ass.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 01:01pm

SirNitram wrote:
lazerus wrote:
Nope, it's just stating a fact that a wormhole needs two points to have a middle. Do I need to teach you basic geometry to get the point across?
Do I need to teach you basic relitivy? Take a piece of paper, put two dots on it, fold the paper between the dots. The dots touch.

THIS IS TRUE NO MATTER HOW FAR APART THE DOTS ARE.
Foldspace technology is endlessly ahead of DS9 technology. Therefore you cannot have it. So kiss my ass.

Wormhole technology isn't that far ahead of DS9, we've seen some other races use it.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-22 01:02pm

lazerus wrote:Do I need to teach you basic relitivy? Take a piece of paper, put two dots on it, fold the paper between the dots. The dots touch.

THIS IS TRUE NO MATTER HOW FAR APART THE DOTS ARE.

Except that you don't get to make the pieces touch, you just get to decrease the distance, dumbass. You're making a tunnel which has to be kept open on both ends in order to work. You sure as hell don't get INSTANT point to point tech.

And I dare say I have a much better grasp of relativity theory and quantum physics than you do.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-22 01:02pm

lazerus wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
lazerus wrote: Do I need to teach you basic relitivy? Take a piece of paper, put two dots on it, fold the paper between the dots. The dots touch.

THIS IS TRUE NO MATTER HOW FAR APART THE DOTS ARE.
Foldspace technology is endlessly ahead of DS9 technology. Therefore you cannot have it. So kiss my ass.
Wormhole technology isn't that far ahead of DS9, we've seen some other races use it.

It is ahead of DS9 technology. Therefore you cannot use it.

The STGOD has things called 'Rules'. You are required to follow them.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 01:05pm

Hotfoot wrote:
lazerus wrote:Do I need to teach you basic relitivy? Take a piece of paper, put two dots on it, fold the paper between the dots. The dots touch.

THIS IS TRUE NO MATTER HOW FAR APART THE DOTS ARE.
Except that you don't get to make the pieces touch, you just get to decrease the distance, dumbass. You're making a tunnel which has to be kept open on both ends in order to work. You sure as hell don't get INSTANT point to point tech.

And I dare say I have a much better grasp of relativity theory and quantum physics than you do.

Given that i'm a physics major I would say your wrong.

And even if it's not instant, the point is it dosn't depend on the distance between the two poitns if you use the strictest definition of a "wormhole".

So fine, you can detect it, but it's really fuggin fast. See new IC post.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 01:06pm

SirNitram wrote:
lazerus wrote:
SirNitram wrote: Foldspace technology is endlessly ahead of DS9 technology. Therefore you cannot have it. So kiss my ass.
Wormhole technology isn't that far ahead of DS9, we've seen some other races use it.
It is ahead of DS9 technology. Therefore you cannot use it.

The STGOD has things called 'Rules'. You are required to follow them.

Really?

Point to where in DS9 it has magic, if you can't, point to where you massivy objected to aly's empire.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-22 01:07pm

lazerus wrote:Really?

Point to where in DS9 it has magic, if you can't, point to where you massivy objected to aly's empire.

Probability control device.

Of course, since you're a retard, you can't fathom that that defines the effects possible, not the method to get there.

Once again. What you want is above the tech level for the STGOD. Therefore, you cannot have it, you powergaming peice of whiny shit.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-22 01:09pm

Point to where in DS9 it has magic, if you can't, point to where you massivy objected to aly's empire.

NEWSFLASH!

You're a Dumbass!

Maybe you missed the MASSIVE FUCKING POSTS about three or four members posted, yelling at Alyrium for breaking DS9 techlevel with his magic?

It's capability, not method, that's important.

Seriously, I'm playing Crobuzon next STGOD just to how that a magic-based empire can be done right.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-22 01:09pm

lazerus wrote:Given that i'm a physics major I would say your wrong.

Somehow I doubt you're even out of high school.

And even if it's not instant, the point is it dosn't depend on the distance between the two poitns if you use the strictest definition of a "wormhole".

It does here, and it does if you consider the massive amounts of power required to artificially shorten the distances involved.

So fine, you can detect it, but it's really fuggin fast. See new IC post.

Pity for you, you lose the ship before you get to say a damn thing. I told you I was being generous before. You just threw that away. Goodbye.

Oh, and there is a battlegroup there. Get over it.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 01:11pm

SirNitram wrote:
lazerus wrote:Really?

Point to where in DS9 it has magic, if you can't, point to where you massivy objected to aly's empire.
Probability control device.

Of course, since you're a retard, you can't fathom that that defines the effects possible, not the method to get there.

Once again. What you want is above the tech level for the STGOD. Therefore, you cannot have it, you powergaming peice of whiny shit.

Look, take Polymorph Other for example. No tek race can instantly morph you into another form. Can't be done.

But none of you objected to that BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING USELESS! The fact that you can't do it does NOT make it broken!

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 01:11pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Point to where in DS9 it has magic, if you can't, point to where you massivy objected to aly's empire.
NEWSFLASH!

You're a Dumbass!

Maybe you missed the MASSIVE FUCKING POSTS about three or four members posted, yelling at Alyrium for breaking DS9 techlevel with his magic?

It's capability, not method, that's important.

Seriously, I'm playing Crobuzon next STGOD just to how that a magic-based empire can be done right.

You do that.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-22 01:12pm

Hotfoot wrote:
lazerus wrote:Given that i'm a physics major I would say your wrong.
Somehow I doubt you're even out of high school.

And even if it's not instant, the point is it dosn't depend on the distance between the two poitns if you use the strictest definition of a "wormhole".
It does here, and it does if you consider the massive amounts of power required to artificially shorten the distances involved.

So fine, you can detect it, but it's really fuggin fast. See new IC post.
Pity for you, you lose the ship before you get to say a damn thing. I told you I was being generous before. You just threw that away. Goodbye.

Oh, and there is a battlegroup there. Get over it.

1) Uh.....ok. You can keep on doubting.
2) Ok, massive amounts of power........would two or three stations DEDICATED ENTIRLY TO POWER GENERATION fit that requirement!?
3) I never said there wasn't.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-22 01:13pm

lazerus wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
lazerus wrote:Really?

Point to where in DS9 it has magic, if you can't, point to where you massivy objected to aly's empire.
Probability control device.

Of course, since you're a retard, you can't fathom that that defines the effects possible, not the method to get there.

Once again. What you want is above the tech level for the STGOD. Therefore, you cannot have it, you powergaming peice of whiny shit.
Look, take Polymorph Other for example. No tek race can instantly morph you into another form. Can't be done.

But none of you objected to that BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING USELESS! The fact that you can't do it does NOT make it broken!

It's not a matter of broken. It's a matter of a direct contradiction to the rules agreed upon to start this STGOD. Your technology exceeds DS9 level, therefore you cannot have it.

I'm getting bored repeating myself. Actually try to come up with something other than mindless screeching, okay?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-22 01:14pm

lazerus wrote:2) Ok, massive amounts of power........would two or three stations DEDICATED ENTIRLY TO POWER GENERATION fit that requirement!?

Some physics major you are. DS9 tech level power generation is too meagre to generate the energy to produce the sheer mass of a wormhole.