Australia to outlaw gay marriage

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-27 10:30am

Col. Crackpot wrote:a tiny fraction of the world population. Look, i'm not arguing one side or the other. What i am saying is that you cannot portray nations like the US and Austrailia as backwards fundie civil rights abusers. The fact is gay marriage rights are making headway and being debated here and in Austrailia. unlike in the other 90% of the world.

Well, you made your cue, at least. At any rate, your claims of the US 'leading the pack' and 'no real countries having it' are soundly thrashed.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-05-27 10:35am

http://www.buddybuddy.com/toc.html

according to this gay-rights site only The Netherlands, Belgium, The US State of Massachusetts and the Canadian Provinces of Ontario, British Columbia and Quebec allow gay marriage.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-05-27 10:35am

Puts fingers on the 'pulse' of the nation. Hmmm, lets see, new Medicare advertisements on TV, Liberals shoring up their conservative support, and Labour doing jack all to ruffle feathers.

Yep, it's an election year!

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-05-27 10:36am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
a tiny fraction of the world population. Look, i'm not arguing one side or the other. What i am saying is that you cannot portray nations like the US and Austrailia as backwards fundie civil rights abusers. The fact is gay marriage rights are making headway and being debated here and in Austrailia. unlike in the other 90% of the world.

If you sum up all the countries of the list above, you have somethink like 300 million inhabitants, more than the US and Australia put together and about half of the 1st world population. It must make you feel very proud to know that your country is more advanced than most of the world 3rd nations.

Mr Flibble · Post by **Mr Flibble** » 2004-05-27 10:37am

Col. Crackpot wrote:a tiny fraction of the world population. Look, i'm not arguing one side or the other. What i am saying is that you cannot portray nations like the US and Austrailia as backwards fundie civil rights abusers. The fact is gay marriage rights are making headway and being debated here and in Austrailia. unlike in the other 90% of the world.

Whilst we aren't that bad the point is that we should be a lot better. I can't speak for America, but Australia should be leading the world on this issue. Coming from one of the first places on Earth to grant women the right to vote I expect better from this country, and I find our swing towards conservative values of recent times very disturbing.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-27 10:39am

Col. Crackpot wrote:http://www.buddybuddy.com/toc.html

according to this gay-rights site only The Netherlands, Belgium, The US State of Massachusetts and the Canadian Provinces of Ontario, British Columbia and Quebec allow gay marriage.

Yes, as has been stated in this thread, only those places have full marriage, the others have civil unions. Reading the thread would be useful.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-05-27 10:39am

Col. Crackpot wrote:http://www.buddybuddy.com/toc.html

according to this gay-rights site only The Netherlands, Belgium, The US State of Massachusetts and the Canadian Provinces of Ontario, British Columbia and Quebec allow gay marriage.

You are correct, the others allow for civil unions.

SecondStorm · Post by **SecondStorm** » 2004-05-27 10:42am

Col. Crackpot wrote:http://www.buddybuddy.com/toc.html

according to this gay-rights site only The Netherlands, Belgium, The US State of Massachusetts and the Canadian Provinces of Ontario, British Columbia and Quebec allow gay marriage.

Do you know what a civil union is?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-05-27 10:42am

SirNitram wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:http://www.buddybuddy.com/toc.html

according to this gay-rights site only The Netherlands, Belgium, The US State of Massachusetts and the Canadian Provinces of Ontario, British Columbia and Quebec allow gay marriage.
Yes, as has been stated in this thread, only those places have full marriage, the others have civil unions. Reading the thread would be useful.

so then part of the United States is one of only a handfull of places on the ENTIRE PLANET where gay couples can be legally married. Sounds like we're pretty fucking progressive to me.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-27 10:43am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:http://www.buddybuddy.com/toc.html

according to this gay-rights site only The Netherlands, Belgium, The US State of Massachusetts and the Canadian Provinces of Ontario, British Columbia and Quebec allow gay marriage.
Yes, as has been stated in this thread, only those places have full marriage, the others have civil unions. Reading the thread would be useful.
so then part of the United States is one of only a handfull of places on the ENTIRE PLANET where gay couples can be legally married. Sounds like we're pretty fucking progressive to me.

And what's that? Your duly elected leader is leading a hard ride against it? Multiple states are passing laws or trying to against it? Wow, how progressive you must feel!

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2004-05-27 10:45am

Mr Flibble wrote:I was completely surprised by Labor's cowardly support of the move though.

Someone doesnt follow politics closely

This type of legislation was anounced several weeks to a month ago and Labor signalled its support when it was in the house of reps.

Its only that its gotten to the senate that people have actually noticed, and that Howard publicly announced it instead of just slipping it by probably helped.

And when the PM announces the passage of a Bill, it generally means its an important one. Why the hell Howard made it important by announcing it I dont know.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-05-27 10:46am

SecondStorm wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:http://www.buddybuddy.com/toc.html

according to this gay-rights site only The Netherlands, Belgium, The US State of Massachusetts and the Canadian Provinces of Ontario, British Columbia and Quebec allow gay marriage.
Do you know what a civil union is?

yes it's something that DEFINED AS BEING NOT A MARRAIGE, that unifies to people of the same gender. Civil Unions are/have been performed in the US states of Hawaii, Vermont, New York and California.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-05-27 10:48am

Progressive compared to whom? Zimbabwe? Naturally.

You said the US was leading the pack on this issue. That's not true compared to the countries that matter (hint: 1st world, western, etc), not to mention your comment about insignificant, 16 million of population countries. Stop backpedalling.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-05-27 10:48am

SirNitram wrote: And what's that? Your duly elected leader is leading a hard ride against it? Multiple states are passing laws or trying to against it? Wow, how progressive you must feel!

irellevant. It is legal. Richard Nixon was against being impeached, but he still legally was.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-05-27 10:50am

Colonel Olrik wrote:

Progressive compared to whom? Zimbabwe? Naturally.

You said the US was leading the pack on this issue. That's not true compared to the countries that matter (hint: 1st world, western, etc), not to mention your comment about insignificant, 16 million of population countries. Stop backpedalling.

Can you marry a man in Portugal? nope. Therefore by the logic this board uses your country is a backwards jesus freak ridden shithole.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-27 10:51am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
SirNitram wrote: And what's that? Your duly elected leader is leading a hard ride against it? Multiple states are passing laws or trying to against it? Wow, how progressive you must feel!
irellevant. It is legal. Richard Nixon was against being impeached, but he still legally was.

In one state. WOW! How progressive you are! Entire other NATIONS have done it, but don't worry folks, one whole state has done it in the US. And five if we count Unions! Wowie!

And don't forget, folks, the US is more progressive than the 3rd world! Yessiree, I sure am impressed!

Now, little retard boy, here's a hint: What's one of the big phrases I haven't written in this thread but which you keep reacting to?

Oh yes. The phrase I have not written is 'The US is a neanderthalic fundie refuge point'. You merely invent this strawman because your original claism have been shown to be the utter bullcrap they are.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-27 10:52am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:

Progressive compared to whom? Zimbabwe? Naturally.

You said the US was leading the pack on this issue. That's not true compared to the countries that matter (hint: 1st world, western, etc), not to mention your comment about insignificant, 16 million of population countries. Stop backpedalling.

Can you marry a man in Portugal? nope. Therefore by the logic this board uses your country is a backwards jesus freak ridden shithole.

You know, if someone had actually written that about the US, you'd have actual credibility.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-05-27 10:55am

SirNitram wrote:
In one state. WOW! How progressive you are! Entire other NATIONS have done it, but don't worry folks, one whole state has done it in the US. And five if we count Unions! Wowie!

And don't forget, folks, the US is more progressive than the 3rd world! Yessiree, I sure am impressed!

Now, little retard boy, here's a hint: What's one of the big phrases I haven't written in this thread but which you keep reacting to?

Oh yes. The phrase I have not written is 'The US is a neanderthalic fundie refuge point'. You merely invent this strawman because your original claism have been shown to be the utter bullcrap they are.

no two nations: Belgium and the Netherlands. And Yes the state of Massachusetts is more progressive than the totality of Europe with regards to gay marriage. And my claim is not utter bullcrap, Just because you like in a backwards, redneck, trodgelite sisterfucking state, doen't mean that your narrow sampling of the country is indicative of the rest of the country.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-05-27 10:56am

Col. Crackpot wrote: Can you marry a man in Portugal? nope. Therefore by the logic this board uses your country is a backwards jesus freak ridden shithole.

Like I said, the laws are in the process of changing there with a lot less fundie opposition, for the simple reason we don't have nearly as much of them as the US. Also, our president (divorced and remarried) and prime minister are both openly atheists.

That makes Portugal ahead of the US in this matter, although not as much as the other countries where marriage is already allowed. Certainly, not behind, like your first post implied.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-05-27 10:57am

SirNitram wrote: You know, if someone had actually written that about the US, you'd have actual credibility.

maybe if you stuck your head out of the hillbilly coalmines of West Virginia once in a while you'd realize that most of the country isn't like that.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-05-27 10:58am

Colonel Olrik wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote: Can you marry a man in Portugal? nope. Therefore by the logic this board uses your country is a backwards jesus freak ridden shithole.
Like I said, the laws are in the process of changing there with a lot less fundie opposition, for the simple reason we don't have nearly as much of them as the US. Also, our president (divorced and remarried) and prime minister are both openly atheists.

That makes Portugal ahead of the US in this matter, although not as much as the other countries where marriage is already allowed. Certainly, not behind, like your first post implied.

the laws are changing here too! just because vocal fundies oppose the change doesn't mean it won't happen!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-27 10:59am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
In one state. WOW! How progressive you are! Entire other NATIONS have done it, but don't worry folks, one whole state has done it in the US. And five if we count Unions! Wowie!

And don't forget, folks, the US is more progressive than the 3rd world! Yessiree, I sure am impressed!

Now, little retard boy, here's a hint: What's one of the big phrases I haven't written in this thread but which you keep reacting to?

Oh yes. The phrase I have not written is 'The US is a neanderthalic fundie refuge point'. You merely invent this strawman because your original claism have been shown to be the utter bullcrap they are.
no two nations: Belgium and the Netherlands. And Yes the state of Massachusetts is more progressive than the totality of Europe with regards to gay marriage. And my claim is not utter bullcrap, Just because you like in a backwards, redneck, trodgelite sisterfucking state, doen't mean that your narrow sampling of the country is indicative of the rest of the country.

You're so cute when you backpedal and fling mud.

Your claims that no where of merit allowed it are: BULLCRAP. Two whole nations do, with populations well above that of Massachusetts, last I checked. Your claims of the US being at the front of this are: BULLCRAP! It's about ten years behind.

I love how you immediately try to paint me as going from the WV citizens. Wanna know what the general sentiment from around here has been? 'Your damn business, just no ass-sex in public.' I love WeeVee; people just don't give a shit as long as you aren't getting up in their face.

No, Crackpot, what I'm going from is news reports from around these fifty states. But that would ruin your preconceived notions, so you attack like a rabid little monkey.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-05-27 11:00am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
SirNitram wrote: You know, if someone had actually written that about the US, you'd have actual credibility.
maybe if you stuck your head out of the hillbilly coalmines of West Virginia once in a while you'd realize that most of the country isn't like that.

If you could make a post without fallacies, you'd have credibility as well.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-05-27 11:02am

Col. Crackpot wrote: the laws are changing here too! just because vocal fundies oppose the change doesn't mean it won't happen!

So, you're conceding that the US is not boldly leading the world into a bright new future of freedom of choice, but following the other 1st world nations and hoping not to trip because the POTUS and I believe the majority of its population are christian fundamentalists who want to change the Constitution. Gotcha.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-05-27 11:04am

SirNitram wrote:
No, Crackpot, what I'm going from is news reports from around these fifty states. But that would ruin your preconceived notions, so you attack like a rabid little monkey.

the news reports about the pro gay marriage/civil union laws being slowly worked through the legislatures in states like California, New York, Vermont, Hawaii, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Hampshire? We are making progress asswhipe, stop portraying the whole fucking country like the hick fundies in the south!