The High Ground

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

I always thought that it was more likely that China would strike north, against Russia, to try to secure all that juicy Siberian mineral wealth. I also wouldn't be suprised if India got dragged into the mess somehow or another.

That be a quick way to end overpopulation.

It would also enable to US to remain on top for the rest of 21st Century (all without firing a shot).

[Vympel]

That be a quick way to end overpopulation.

*Russia's strategic bomber forces wipe out every major Chinese city by themselves with a swarm of Kh-55SM ALCMs.*

Yup.

[Ace Pace]

uh, isn't russia's military is a awful state? or is it good enough to hold back china?

[Ma Deuce]

uh, isn't russia's military is a awful state? or is it good enough to hold back china?

Well it's certainly in better shape than it was during it's mid-'90s nadir, and their funding situation has improved since then. The've got 16,000 operational MBTs for example, which is twice as many as China, and they the majority of these are far superior to the bulk of China's armor (though it would be difficult for Russia to bring all this armor to bear against China quickly, especially since a good portion of it would have to be shipped by rail across Siberia), plus their equipment and training are superior in almost all cases. Russia would also have the all-important advantages of air and naval superiority. Still, China's military does have nearly 3 times as much manpower as Russia's...

[Vympel]

(though it would be difficult for Russia to bring all this armor to bear against China quickly, especially since a good portion of it would have to be shipped by rail across Siberia), plus their equipment and training are superior in almost all cases.

Indeed, the forces in the Far East are the best trained/equipped (e.g. the small number of T-90s/BMP-3s are all there) in Russia; the bulk of Russia's forces are actually located here, for the precise purpose of deterring Chinese aggression.

[phongn]

Don't forget that the Commies designed Fractional Orbital Bombardment
systems in the late 60s. Think a nuclear warhead orbiting over your
head 24/7/365 ready to drop on the command from Moscow.

In the 1980s there was an attempted launch of a nuclear weapons satellite in an attempt to circumvent the planned SDI. Gorbachev ordered that it never be activated; at any rate the launch failed and it was destroyed.

FOBS apparently didn't work, though.

The last time Uncle Sam tangled with China was during Korea. It was pretty ugly. During that campaign, the US Army set (and still holds) the record for most miles retreated in a single day. Dugout Doug tried to go nuclear, like a brawler in a saloon who is getting his ass kicked going for his gun, got too uppity and Truman shitcanned him. Bad business all around.

China didn't come out smelling like roses, either. They were quite apalled at the huge losses.

*Russia's strategic bomber forces wipe out every major Chinese city by themselves with a swarm of Kh-55SM ALCMs.*

Or do you want to see Tu-160s running around virtually untouched in the PRC?

[Vympel]

Or do you want to see Tu-160s running around virtually untouched in the PRC?

That too, of course The world's largest combat aircraft by a ridiculously large margin needs *something* agressive to do!

[Stuart Mackey]

Some people might decry me as being a cold blooded bastard, for all
the implications that my policy of starving China into oblivion entails,
but I truly do believe that China and the US are headed in a collission
course which will hit each other a few decades from now.

Put simply, the world isn't big enough for the both of us, and I
would like to be immune to the Chinese threats of destroying our
cities when that happens.

I always thought that it was more likely that China would strike north, against Russia, to try to secure all that juicy Siberian mineral wealth. I also wouldn't be suprised if India got dragged into the mess somehow or another.

Not to worry, if that happens the US will invite Russia into NATO and the Chinese army will be defeated by JSOWS, a Division of the US army and one Of Russia and a Great Patrotic war veteran sniper who has golden wolf pelts washed in a stream fed from a mammoth gold mine

[phongn]

You forgot the special forces raid into the Chinese nuclear missile silos!

[Sea Skimmer]

Don't forget that the Commies designed Fractional Orbital Bombardment
systems in the late 60s. Think a nuclear warhead orbiting over your
head 24/7/365 ready to drop on the command from Moscow.

Not only did they design such a system, they deployed it operationally and made a number of test flights. However the missiles used couldn't put the warheads in very high orbits so they only only stay up for short periods. Accuracy also sucked, it was estimated that they would land within a 5x3 kilometer rectangle around the aimpoint. As a result they began work on a much larger weapon which would have used an all new missile to throw an 150 megaton warhead into a long term orbit. But it was never built because of the vast cost.

Because they will make a grab for oil in the Spratly Islands, and they
will get the USA involved because the Phillipines, along with everyone
else in the area claims that set of islands for themselves too, and it'll
spiral out from there.

But luckily the USN will be able to dispatch a lone LA class SSN to the area with a tender, which will then sink the PLAN several times over before finishing off the entire Akula production run plus a couple more....

[HemlockGrey]

The last time Uncle Sam tangled with China was during Korea. It was pretty ugly. During that campaign, the US Army set (and still holds) the record for most miles retreated in a single day. Dugout Doug tried to go nuclear, like a brawler in a saloon who is getting his ass kicked going for his gun, got too uppity and Truman shitcanned him. Bad business all around.

Well, yeah, but the US counterattack pushed the Chinese back.

See here.

[Ma Deuce]

Well, yeah, but the US counterattack pushed the Chinese back.

Casualty figures for US and PRC forces during the war should also be noted: The US lost 54,000 men, the Chinese lost around a million.

[Stuart Mackey]

You forgot the special forces raid into the Chinese nuclear missile silos!

Thats ok, with such a Gosh Darn nice guy in the White house, who always leads from the front the US character sheilds shall save the day!

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

But luckily the USN will be able to dispatch a lone LA class SSN to the area with a tender, which will then sink the PLAN several times over before finishing off the entire Akula production run plus a couple more....

The entire Chinese Navy, including imported Alfas (which idiot would really buy an Alfa to solve their day's problems against the US Navy anyway!) that are all either really scrapped or lying dead somewhere, manned by idiotic charging Captains (yes, I know the Chinese Navy is not as well-trained as the US Navy, but even reading a Tom Clancy should teach anyone the value of silence in ASW).

Or maybe, of course, the US would place their faith onto one very special and very secret, souped-up B-52 that can take out fighters and are armed with land-attack weapons with huge warheads that are more maneuverable than air-to-air missiles.

[Vympel]

Stop it, my BRAIN HURTS.

[Stuart Mackey]

Stop it, my BRAIN HURTS.

Well get your self to the US..John Hopkins is the worlds finest hospital..they also do brilliant laser eye surgury

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

My hunch is that the Chineese will wait until they have technological parity (or even an advantage) with the Russians before they move North. If they sustain their current rate of growth, and modernization, I wouldn't be suprised if they made their move within a decade or two.

[Stuart Mackey]

My hunch is that the Chineese will wait until they have technological parity (or even an advantage) with the Russians before they move North. If they sustain their current rate of growth, and modernization, I wouldn't be suprised if they made their move within a decade or two.

With America's force of ultra top secret B1's B52's, all crammed with bleeding edge technology, so bleeding it suffers from blood loss, this shouldnt be a problem. Naturally the Americans have managed to get their spy hardware ontoministarial computers. the ministers, as we all know, make daily dairy entrys which are recorded on these computers, so the US will know exactly what they are doing.


In all honesty I dont think China will move for a long time, maybe in a 100 years. They have too many education, infrastructure, environmental and economic issues to work through.

[Ma Deuce]

My hunch is that the Chineese will wait until they have technological parity (or even an advantage) with the Russians before they move North. If they sustain their current rate of growth, and modernization, I wouldn't be suprised if they made their move within a decade or two.

Do bear in mind that much of the high-tech military technolegy they have is directly imported from Russia or derived from Russian technolegy. There's also the small issue that if Russia thought that it was about to lose a conventional war with China, it would immediately respond with it's Strategic Rocket forces.

[MKSheppard]

Well get your self to the US..John Hopkins is the worlds finest hospital..they also do brilliant laser eye surgury

They also did my implant surgery

[Vympel]

My hunch is that the Chineese will wait until they have technological parity (or even an advantage) with the Russians before they move North. If they sustain their current rate of growth, and modernization, I wouldn't be suprised if they made their move within a decade or two.

What Ma Deuce said. The Strategic Rocket Forces are the senior service of the Russian military for a reason.

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

My hunch is that the Chineese will wait until they have technological parity (or even an advantage) with the Russians before they move North. If they sustain their current rate of growth, and modernization, I wouldn't be suprised if they made their move within a decade or two.

What Ma Deuce said. The Strategic Rocket Forces are the senior service of the Russian military for a reason.

Then why the hell are people worried about China going to war against the US? Its not like they have alot to gain from such an action; and its not like we have a shortage of Nukes either.

[Ma Deuce]

Then why the hell are people worried about China going to war against the US? Its not like they have alot to gain from such an action; and its not like we have a shortage of Nukes either.

Because the Russians would be defending their home soil. Any war between the US and China would almost certainly not be fought on US soil.

[Vympel]

Then why the hell are people worried about China going to war against the US? Its not like they have alot to gain from such an action; and its not like we have a shortage of Nukes either.

Because the war, if anything, will be about Taiwan.

[Stuart Mackey]

Well get your self to the US..John Hopkins is the worlds finest hospital..they also do brilliant laser eye surgury

They also did my implant surgery

So how are your new breasts?