STGOD 4 OOC Thread

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-06-01 06:30am

If it didn't came through in my OOB, I have three kinds of missiles.
The first, longer ranged is an evolved Starfire missile, complete with inetialess drive. And also has the sprint-mode capability.
The second one is based on the Hauptmann-coil missile of Path-of-the-Fury-verse. Shorter ranged, but far faster. Smaller though.
And there is a FTL missile type around, based on my FTL drive system. Quite bulky, only super-capital ships carry them, and have smaller warheads. But nice for surprise and target softening...

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-06-01 08:54am

Beowulf, you do realize that the Ousters use a variety of completely unique technology, most importantly Kincaid drives and Wave Motion Cannon, which are not only unique to the Hajr, but also VERY detectable as such? Unless you've been able to infiltrate the Hajr military arm so completely in th last few months that you have detailed designs for advanced, top-secret military technology, your replications of Hajr warships will be very poor.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-01 09:57am

Dude.. that comm was tightbeam and was merely a hail to get them to respond.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-06-01 01:16pm

Murazor wrote:May I join or it is too late?

Feel free to join.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-06-01 01:28pm

Thirdfain wrote:Beowulf, you do realize that the Ousters use a variety of completely unique technology, most importantly Kincaid drives and Wave Motion Cannon, which are not only unique to the Hajr, but also VERY detectable as such? Unless you've been able to infiltrate the Hajr military arm so completely in th last few months that you have detailed designs for advanced, top-secret military technology, your replications of Hajr warships will be very poor.

Actually, given the fact that at least some people have your ship building tech I'd say that's Pablo's call to make.

Though I have to say, I don't like the idea of duplicating some one's ships exactly.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-06-01 02:11pm

Fuck, head off to start moving for a weekend, and naturally all hell breaks loose. Ah well, time to play catch-up.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-06-01 02:29pm

Actually, given the fact that at least some people have your ship building tech I'd say that's Pablo's call to make.

Though I have to say, I don't like the idea of duplicating some one's ships exactly.

My shipyard techniques and equipment, not the technology behinf my drives. Just because you know how to build a dry-dock doesn't mean you'll know how to make the AEGIS air defense systems on the Destroyers the dry dock usually builds.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-06-01 02:49pm

The point is not that they use your technology, but rather that they appear to use your technology, via various technological means. I may not be able to make it, but I can fake it.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-06-01 02:52pm

I doubt that it would be possible to make a convincing fake of a Kincaid drive. You do realise that it's a FTL realspace drive? That means that unless you have found some clever way to move at FTL speeds in realspace which produces the same characteristic grid interactions and hyperspace "plume" when Kincaid drives light off (they are not stealthy engines,) then your ships will be very unconvincing.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-06-01 03:00pm

Thirdfain wrote:I doubt that it would be possible to make a convincing fake of a Kincaid drive. You do realise that it's a FTL realspace drive? That means that unless you have found some clever way to move at FTL speeds in realspace which produces the same characteristic grid interactions and hyperspace "plume" when Kincaid drives light off (they are not stealthy engines,) then your ships will be very unconvincing.

Thirdfain, simply saying I use this kind of drive, you can't doesn't make a very good case. People are allowed to have overlapping tech after all.

I'm still not sold that Beowulf can perfectly imitate your ships but I don't think the notion of claiming exclusive use of a particular technology is fair either.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-01 03:03pm

Close inspection should be able to tell. I get the feeling I know how he is going to use this...

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-06-01 03:03pm

Thirdfain, simply saying I use this kind of drive, you can't doesn't make a very good case. People are allowed to have overlapping tech after all.

I'm still not sold that Beowulf can perfectly imitate your ships but I don't think the notion of claiming exclusive use of a particular technology is fair either.

Certainly, people are allowed to use overlapping tech- but frankly, the idea that his people could have seen the Hajr and then cleverly replicated their warship drive (From, may I remind you, a tech base with almost NO similarities to the Ouster's own) so well that it will be convincing? I say no. It's just not legitimate.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-06-01 03:05pm

Nitram, just for the record, the fact that Jon Cameron is the Director of the Consortium is not a secret inside the Consortium itself. The fact that Jon Cameron is the Director was to be made public at the end of the meeting on Veitha 3, which is technically in the past, so it's fair that would know that, but it's not a shadow rule. The public knows who he is and what he does, he's not appointed in secret behind the scenes, and once knowledge of his existance and status is revealed, that would be revealed as well. Just so you know.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-06-01 03:31pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:I doubt that it would be possible to make a convincing fake of a Kincaid drive. You do realise that it's a FTL realspace drive? That means that unless you have found some clever way to move at FTL speeds in realspace which produces the same characteristic grid interactions and hyperspace "plume" when Kincaid drives light off (they are not stealthy engines,) then your ships will be very unconvincing.
Thirdfain, simply saying I use this kind of drive, you can't doesn't make a very good case. People are allowed to have overlapping tech after all.

I'm still not sold that Beowulf can perfectly imitate your ships but I don't think the notion of claiming exclusive use of a particular technology is fair either.

I can't perfectly imitate his ships. I can fake a good enough impression though. The drive does not necessarily have to produce the hyperspace plume you know... As for moving in real space FTL, the non battle grid traction drive works well enough.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-06-01 03:56pm

Fair enough, but suffice to say that if these ships drop on top of a bunch of merchantman and blast them to bits, you won't be able to stick it on the Hajr in any meaningful fashion- the differences will be to obvious to anything more than a cursory scan.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-06-01 04:05pm

Thirdfain wrote:Fair enough, but suffice to say that if these ships drop on top of a bunch of merchantman and blast them to bits, you won't be able to stick it on the Hajr in any meaningful fashion- the differences will be to obvious to anything more than a cursory scan.

I'd just require some help then...

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-06-01 07:32pm

Beowulf, care to explain how sensors wouldn't detect one of your undead shapeshifters?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-06-01 07:35pm

InnocentBystander wrote:Beowulf, care to explain how sensors wouldn't detect one of your undead shapeshifters?

Also the bit about not needing food, and never having to die. That doesn't seem quite right...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-06-01 07:36pm

Straha wrote:
InnocentBystander wrote:Beowulf, care to explain how sensors wouldn't detect one of your undead shapeshifters?
Also the bit about not needing food, and never having to die. That doesn't seem quite right...

Yeah that whole "need for cellular respiration" thing.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-06-01 07:38pm

Also, Beowulf, I can assure you; if one of your zombie changlings was out in space, it would certainly "die".

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-06-01 07:42pm

Ah, and that raises another question, how does one of these things come back to life after it's been incinerated?

And, while I'm at it. I only see Hajir duplicates, why don't you have any asgard models? It would be considerably easier to duplicate that, considering there are things like former asgard fiefdoms and what-not all over space. You can't just join the game with the intent of taking down the Ousters; aside from not making much sense, it's quite lame.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-06-01 08:19pm

InnocentBystander wrote:Ah, and that raises another question, how does one of these things come back to life after it's been incinerated?

And, while I'm at it. I only see Hajir duplicates, why don't you have any asgard models? It would be considerably easier to duplicate that, considering there are things like former asgard fiefdoms and what-not all over space. You can't just join the game with the intent of taking down the Ousters; aside from not making much sense, it's quite lame.

It uses a bit of what is of what is known as magic to avoid the whole needing cellular respiration. It also takes care of the coming back to life after the last body was incinerated. Considering that another power already is able to do that, albeit with technological means, it should be allowable.

I don't have the intent of just taking down the Ousters, it's one of the goals however. The reason why my nations has been working on Hajr duplicates, is because they are very visible, and bear a remarkable resemblence to the enemies of the OU.

As to the whole not dying thing, I do have the downside of having the smallest population in the game, aside from the Overseer...

If the not needing food bit is too much, I'll get rid of it though.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-06-01 08:32pm

The reason why my nations has been working on Hajr duplicates, is because they are very visible, and bear a remarkable resemblence to the enemies of the OU.

Actually, they are largely quite non-visible, and the only thing we have in common with the Floaters is heritage and habitat. Beyond that, we are as different as two powers can be...

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-06-01 08:38pm

Quacks like a duck, then it's a duck, nevermind that it doesn't have feathers.

And you're quite visible. Alien invaders from beyond Known Space.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-06-01 08:50pm

Beowulf wrote:Quacks like a duck, then it's a duck, nevermind that it doesn't have feathers. And you're quite visible. Alien invaders from beyond Known Space.

But, the point is, he doesn't quack like a duck. He screeches like a hawk, there's also the problem that he's only been a power in known space for, what, three to five months? To late to build all those mock-ups, unless they be shitty mock-ups, or actually other classes of ships built beneath Ouster mock-ups.
There's also the slight IC problem that you're only going after the one power, and not, say, the KSE, me (for everything untill the war, or for saving the NRE,) or the Asgard. I sorta like the concept of your nation, but as I see it there are problems.