Prime's death was the sweetest of all!

[Galvatron]

I crushed him with my bare hands!

[AdmiralKanos]

You exaggerate.

[Shadow WarChief]

Fine. The almighty Galvatron killed Prime (not really but anyways...), But I travelled back in time, mortally wounded Optimus Prime as you SHOULD have done in 1984, actually WON my War, and took over Cybertron in the space of a few months, ruled with an iron first for an un-determined amount of time while committing genocide on a scale not yet seen before, and was defeated only by the intervention of the matrix, which I'm sure the Dark God Unicron is quite familiar with. Yesss...

[Vympel]

So who's cooler? Galvatron or Megatron?

And can someone explain to me the complete cartoon chronology? I'm a bit of a Transformers amateur.

[Darth_Shinji]

G1 Megatron. both these guys above had their greatest moments becuase of G1 Megatron.

And if anyone says he is an idiot I suggest you watch the original transformers before saying that.

[Guest]

Was Megatron the transformer that turned into a huge blaster?

[Shadow WarChief]

And if anyone says he is an idiot I suggest you watch the original transformers before saying that.

I have. It was actully watching that poorly written tripe that convinced me G1 Megatron was a fucking idiot.

Before I was rather indifferent.

[Galvatron]

Was Megatron the transformer that turned into a huge blaster?

I think you mean Shockwave.

[Darth_Shinji]

And if anyone says he is an idiot I suggest you watch the original transformers before saying that.

I have. It was actully watching that poorly written tripe that convinced me G1 Megatron was a fucking idiot.

Before I was rather indifferent.

What makes you say that? He gives a good account for himself in season 1.

[VF5SS]

Comc Megatron maybe, but cartoon Megatron was the standard 80's bad guy.

[Shadow WarChief]

Comc Megatron maybe, but cartoon Megatron was the standard 80's bad guy.

thanks for supporting me. In the first episode of G1 alone, I saw so many incidence's of FUCKING IDIOCY that I almost dashed my brains against a wall...

•he let the autobots lived when he should have killed them.
•He had Shockwave keep cybertron in some kind of fucking "don't take any initiative at all" mode.
•He gave Starscream a slap on the wrist after betraying him 3 TIMES IN A FUCKING ROW!


And the most ironic part of all is that this fucking BEDPAN has the nerve to be worshipped by 20 million aging nostalgic freaks while a fucking 16 year old can think up better plans...

as for Comic megatron, I'll let his special brand of idiocy speak for itself

[VF5SS]

Yeah early comic Megs was stupid at times. The early comics had the problem of being required to introduce so many characters to back up the toy line. I think Budninsky(sp) did pretty well with what he had. Plus, he wrote all the tech specs.

[thecreech]

I crushed him with my bare hands!

Actually megatron did not crush prime with this bare hands, He used a gun and a light saber type weapon. Prime was the one kicking ass. HA HA HA

[Darth_Shinji]

Comc Megatron maybe, but cartoon Megatron was the standard 80's bad guy.

thanks for supporting me. In the first episode of G1 alone, I saw so many incidence's of FUCKING IDIOCY that I almost dashed my brains against a wall...

•he let the autobots lived when he should have killed them.
•He had Shockwave keep cybertron in some kind of fucking "don't take any initiative at all" mode.
•He gave Starscream a slap on the wrist after betraying him 3 TIMES IN A FUCKING ROW!
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1) No he didn't... the autobots were pieces all over the place. If it wasn't for Starcream the battle would of never started.
2) What was he going to do with no energon? Thats why the decepticons are staying on earth in the first place. The decepticons on cybertron do not have enought energoin to singifantly repair cybertion after a million years. And he was activly fighting what remained of the autobot resistance and as far as we know, they are wiped out by the movie.
3) Yes Starscream is the big plot-protected traitor of tranformers... as if BW megatron didn't forgive his betrayers constantly.

And you forget to mention that he for all intents and purposes he won those pilot episodes... He outsmarted Prime... defeated the autobots and only the illusion bot sabotaging his ship and starscreams incometence made his plan failed.

[VF5SS]

1. Many of the Autobot bodies were intact. In fact very little inside the damn ship was that badly damaged. In the very least he would have gathered supplies, salvaged some parts from the ship and Autobots, and maybe set up some explosives. I mean if he can really draw power from a black hole he could churn up enough power to waste his enemies. Leaving the Autobot intact was a big mistake if he knew that Teletran 1 could revive them.

[XaLEv]

•He gave Starscream a slap on the wrist after betraying him 3 TIMES IN A FUCKING ROW!

Which is why Galvatron is one of the best characters. His first action was to waste Starscream. Gotta love that.

[Shadow WarChief]

1) No he didn't... the autobots were pieces all over the place. If it wasn't for Starcream the battle would of never started.

Reason #2 as to why he should have killed starscream: For puting the decepticons through so much pain for oer 50 years...

The #1 reason being that on cybertron he flat out stated that he was going to do anything he could to get Megatron's job.

2) What was he going to do with no energon? Thats why the decepticons are staying on earth in the first place. The decepticons on cybertron do not have enought energoin to singifantly repair cybertion after a million years. And he was activly fighting what remained of the autobot resistance and as far as we know, they are wiped out by the movie.

But they weren't wiped out by 1984. What does this tell us? That for 4 million years, the decepticons were able to operate cybertron. 4 FUCKING MILLION YEARS and they left cybertron for a fuel stop because "they were running low"

idiocy...

3) Yes Starscream is the big plot-protected traitor of tranformers... as if BW megatron didn't forgive his betrayers constantly.

Beast Wars Megatron's leniency was dictated by practicality. At the beginning of the show, his army numbered 6. When Dinobot took command, Megatron tried to kill him, knowing that even with the death of his first traitor he outnumbered the autobots by 20% He did not anticipate that dinobot would live from the attack and join the autobots, making both armies equal in terms of numbers.

his next traitor was terrorsaur But by this time, if he had actually killed this traitor then the maximals would outnumber HIM by 20% of their forces. That was strategically unnacceptable.
G1 Megatron has no such excuse because he had a fucking planet full of transformers at his beck and call. So what if he only had a small number on earth? He built the space bridge for God's sake. He coulda launched a full scale invasion any time he wanted. BUT HE DIDN'T.


During the second season, terrorsaur was DEAD. There was no traitors for him to deal with. Only traitor to come up next was Rampage, yet he dealt with him by torturing his equivalent of soul whenever he did something out of line.

Next was tarantulas. But from "Master Blaster", we can gain insight as to why he forgave him. "I can forgive treachery, BUT NOT INCOMPETENCE"

Treachery is not frowned upon in predacon society, failure to complete trachery was. Because taranulas succeeded in his treachery at the end of season 2, Megatron forgave him because he so thoroughly turned the tables on him. When Megatron turned the tables so compeltey back around on him, he accepted tarntulas back because he needed troups and he knew he could get the job done. It's also due to the fact that he Tarantulas was under Ravage's control who was converted to megatron's control. It was only when tarantuluas REALLY pissed of Megatron that he roasted him, tossed him in a pit of lava. The result: No more traitor.


next was black arachnia. He shot her ass and left her for dead.

traitors don't survive inside the predacon army when its ranks are swelling.

And you forget to mention that he for all intents and purposes he won those pilot episodes... He outsmarted Prime... defeated the autobots and only the illusion bot sabotaging his ship and starscreams incometence made his plan failed.

yeah right, gtting your ship blown to shit, crashing into the ocean, losing everything you gained in the last 3 episodes, having the autobots gain the help of the humans....That's REAL successful campaign there...

[Darth_Shinji]

[Qoute

1) No he didn't... the autobots were pieces all over the place. If it wasn't for Starcream the battle would of never started.

Reason #2 as to why he should have killed starscream: For puting the decepticons through so much pain for oer 50 years...

The #1 reason being that on cybertron he flat out stated that he was going to do anything he could to get Megatron's job.[/Qoute] Concession accepted.. megatron didn't keep them alive reason 1 is gone.

2) What was he going to do with no energon? Thats why the decepticons are staying on earth in the first place. The decepticons on cybertron do not have enought energoin to singifantly repair cybertion after a million years. And he was activly fighting what remained of the autobot resistance and as far as we know, they are wiped out by the movie.

[Qoute]But they weren't wiped out by 1984. What does this tell us? That for 4 million years, the decepticons were able to operate cybertron. 4 FUCKING MILLION YEARS and they left cybertron for a fuel stop because "they were running low"

idiocy...[/qoute] and so you blame megatron for SHOCKWAVE'S idoicy? They guy was asleep for 4 million years and you blame him for shockwave's...what? What did he did that was so fucking stupid? You don't even give a clear reason to why this was a stupid move.

6. When Dinobot took command, Megatron tried to kill him, knowing that even with the death of his first traitor he outnumbered the autobots by 20% He did not anticipate that dinobot would live from the attack and join the autobots, making both armies equal in terms of numbers./quote] Of course if I was you I would call him a fucking idiot for letting dinobot live though the assanation atteampt..even though it was not any circumstances he could control...but hey you do it to G1 megs below.

[Q]his next traitor was terrorsaur But by this time, if he had actually killed this traitor then the maximals would outnumber HIM by 20% of their forces. That was strategically unnacceptable.
G1 Megatron has no such excuse because he had a fucking planet full of transformers at his beck and call. So what if he only had a small number on earth? He built the space bridge for God's sake. He coulda launched a full scale invasion any time he wanted. BUT HE DIDN'T.[/Q] Could he? I've never seen these numbers in the original series I've always saw the transformers as having a very small population by modern day earth. And if the decepticons had more people off-screen the autobots surly did too.

And you forget to mention that he for all intents and purposes he won those pilot episodes... He outsmarted Prime... defeated the autobots and only the illusion bot sabotaging his ship and starscreams incometence made his plan failed.

yeah right, gtting your ship blown to shit, crashing into the ocean, losing everything you gained in the last 3 episodes, having the autobots gain the help of the humans....That's REAL successful campaign there...

Look above. So far you blame megs for stuff he couldn't control.

[HemlockGrey]

Question.


WTF is Transformers? Does it have anything to do with that absurdly idiotic CGI show called Transformers: Beast Wars?

[Darth_Shinji]

All of these transformers shows like beast wars and Armada are based of a old 80s transformers. Don't judge it based on any of the new ones though.Storyline is basacly that a race of robots that have been fighting for millions of years have shown up on earth to countine thier conflict. One side is the decepticons who are trying to steal earth's resources by converting it into an energy source they need called energon. the goodguys are called autobots and predicitably fight to save the earth. Three seasons and an awesome movie were made before it was canceled in america, continued for awhile in japan though.


If you want to know more simply search for transformers and you will find plenty of sites on it.

[RayCav of ASVS]

Comc Megatron maybe, but cartoon Megatron was the standard 80's bad guy.

thanks for supporting me. In the first episode of G1 alone, I saw so many incidence's of FUCKING IDIOCY that I almost dashed my brains against a wall...

•he let the autobots lived when he should have killed them.
•He had Shockwave keep cybertron in some kind of fucking "don't take any initiative at all" mode.
•He gave Starscream a slap on the wrist after betraying him 3 TIMES IN A FUCKING ROW!


And the most ironic part of all is that this fucking BEDPAN has the nerve to be worshipped by 20 million aging nostalgic freaks while a fucking 16 year old can think up better plans...

as for Comic megatron, I'll let his special brand of idiocy speak for itself

Ok, WHY is Megatron fighting Spiderman?

[Shadow WarChief]

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Concession accepted.. megatron didn't keep them alive reason 1 is gone.

What the hell are you talking about? Megatron never killed Starscream despite the fact that every other episode he made at least one attempt to gain control. Only when he became Galvatron in the movie did he gain the momentary intellectual boost to do something. But that's not MEGAtron now is it...

.and so you blame megatron for SHOCKWAVE'S idoicy? They guy was asleep for 4 million years and you blame him for shockwave's...what? What did he did that was so fucking stupid? You don't even give a clear reason to why this was a stupid move.

Where the hell does Shockwave come into this? It was Megatron's command decision to go out searching for energon, not shockwave. It was Megatron's idiocy. And I explained very clearly why this move was idiotic: If you have enough energy to last you for the next 4 million years, you don't need to find new resources. You're fine. It's idicoy to send your best warriors to look for it during a war!

.Of course if I was you I would call him a fucking idiot for letting dinobot live though the assanation atteampt..even though it was not any circumstances he could control..

Irrelevant. Megatron's goal was to extricate the traitor from his command and he succeeded. While Dinobot's death would certainly have been preferable, it was not the main goal. If G1 Megatron had actually tried to get rid of Starscream it wouldn't be so bad. But what does he do? Absolutely nothing and it gets him sucking on vacuum in the year 2005

.Could he? I've never seen these numbers in the original series I've always saw the transformers as having a very small population by modern day earth. And if the decepticons had more people off-screen the autobots surly did too.

Wrong and Wrong. During the movie, we see dozens, if not hundreds of seperate decepticons taking flight to combat Unicron in high orbit. And in an episode whose name escapes for the moment, the female autobots revealed that they were the lone autobot prescene on cybertron. The female autobots number less than 10.

Compare this with the numbers of decepticons seen in the movie and you see that the Autobots were woefully outnumbered.

.Look above. So far you blame megs for stuff he couldn't control.

What? I blame him for stuff for which he was directly responsible.

He was directly responsible for Starscream's continued existance despite the fact that he should have been killed for insubordination at least. It would have been acceptable if he had actually tried to get rid of the traitor, but he didn't even raise a signifigant finger to him.

The result of this decision is that the autobots got re-awakened and started the great war.

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy that lead the poorly planned attack on autobot city, and although he possessed every advantage, he lost the battle.

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy that didn't kill the autobots when he had a chance.

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy that caused him to order the decepticons to go around turning trees into metal trees.

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy that made him send THE AUTOBOT AERIALBOTS BACK IN TIME. I'm sure he thought that they wouldn't mess with the timeline contrary to him at all....

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy that caused him to call a reteat after getting tossed in mud during the "Utlimate Doom"

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy that caused him to not use some of the marvelous shield technology he used on the stunticons.

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy that he didn't raid a several car dealerships and double the size of his army overnight as he did with the stunticons

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy that he never actually had a plan except for "Kill Optimus Prime" And that took him several million years. So let's see. At this rate he should conquer the universe in about ohhhh.....NEVER.

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy that caused his treacherous subordinate to toss him out into a vacuum and left for dead.

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy which caused him to let the human go-between between the autobots and humanity actually LIVE.

It was G1 Megatron's idiocy that caused him to LOOSE THE WAR.

To I really need to list more?

[VF5SS]

Don't forget the big blue griffin.

[SAMAS]

Personally, I think Dinobot's death in "Code of Hero" was better than Prime's.

Prime's death made me cry when I was a kid.

Dinobot's death made me cry when I was 19.

[VF5SS]

You know its a funny thing, the hardcore Transfans are always worshiping the old show and telling you about how mature it was. Here BW comes along with actual maturity and they can't even see it. Hell of a fandom.