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When writer Elena Lappin flew to LA, she dreamed of a sunkissed, laid-back city. But that was before airport officials decided to detain her as a threat to security ...

Saturday June 5, 2004
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Somewhere in central Los Angeles, about 20 miles from LAX airport, there is a nondescript building housing a detention facility for foreigners who have violated US immigration and customs laws. I was driven there around 11pm on May 3, my hands painfully handcuffed behind my back as I sat crammed in one of several small, locked cages inside a security van. I saw glimpses of night-time urban LA through the metal bars as we drove, and shadowy figures of armed security officers when we arrived, two of whom took me inside. The handcuffs came off just before I was locked in a cell behind a thick glass wall and a heavy door. No bed, no chair, only two steel benches about a foot wide. There was a toilet in full view of anyone passing by, and of the video camera watching my every move. No pillow or blanket. A permanent fluorescent light and a television in one corner of the ceiling. It stayed on all night, tuned into a shopping channel.
After 10 minutes in the hot, barely breathable air, I panicked. I don't suffer from claustrophobia, but this enclosure triggered it. There was no guard in sight and no way of calling for help. I banged on the door and the glass wall. A male security officer finally approached and gave the newly arrived detainee a disinterested look. Our shouting voices were barely audible through the thick door. "What do you want?" he yelled. I said I didn't feel well. He walked away. I forced myself to calm down. I forced myself to use that toilet. I figured out a way of sleeping on the bench, on my side, for five minutes at a time, until the pain became unbearable, then resting in a sitting position and sleeping for another five minutes. I told myself it was for only one night.

As it turned out, I was to spend 26 hours in detention. My crime: I had flown in earlier that day to research an innocuous freelance assignment for the Guardian, but did not have a journalist's visa.

Since September 11 2001, any traveller to the US is treated as a potential security risk. The Patriot Act, introduced 45 days after 9/11, contains a chapter on Protecting The Border, with a detailed section on Enhanced Immigration Provision, in which the paragraph on Visa Security And Integrity follows those relating to protection against terrorism. In this spirit, the immigration and naturalisation service has been placed, since March 2003, under the jurisdiction of the new department of homeland security. One of its innovations was to revive a law that had been dormant since 1952, requiring journalists to apply for a special visa, known as I-visa, when visiting the US for professional reasons. Somewhere along the way, in the process of trying to develop a foolproof system of protecting itself against genuine threats, the US has lost the ability to distinguish between friend and foe. The price this powerful country is paying for living in fear is the price of its civil liberties.

None of this had been on my mind the night before, when I boarded my United Airlines flight from Heathrow. Sitting next to an intriguingly silent young man who could have been a porn star or a well camouflaged air marshal, I spent most of the 11-hour flight daydreaming about the city where he so clearly belonged and that I had never visited. My America had always been the east coast: as tourist, resident, journalist, novelist, I had never ventured much past the New York-Boston-Washington triangle. But I was glad that this brief assignment was taking me to sunkissed LA, and I was ready to succumb to LA's laid-back charm.

The queue for passport control was short. I presented my British passport and the green visa waiver form I had signed on the plane. The immigration official began by asking the usual questions about where I was staying and why I was travelling to the US. It brought back memories of another trip there to write a series of articles about post 9/11 America for the German weekly Die Zeit. I had written about commuters who preferred the safety of train travel to flying, and about a wounded New York that had become a city of survivors. I had seen a traumatised, no longer cockily immortal America in a profound state of mourning. But it had seemed to me that its newly acknowledged vulnerability was becoming its strength: stunned by an act of war on its own soil, Americans had been shocked into a sudden hunger for information about the world beyond their borders.

"I'm here to do some interviews," I said.

"With whom?" He wrote down the names, asked what the article was about and who had commissioned it. "So you're a journalist," he said, accusingly, and for the first time I sensed that, in his eyes, this was not a good thing to be. "I have to refer this to my supervisor," he said ominously, and asked me to move to a separate, enclosed area, where I was to wait to be "processed". Other travellers came, waited and went; I was beginning to feel my jetlag and some impatience. I asked how long I'd have to wait, but received no reply. Finally, an officer said, noncommittally, "It seems that we will probably have to deport you."

I'm not sure, but I think I laughed. Deport? Me? "Why?" I asked, incredulously.

"You came here as a journalist, and you don't have a journalist's visa." I had never heard of it. He swiftly produced the visa waiver (I-94W) I had signed on the plane, and pointed to what it said in tiny print: in addition to not being a drug smuggler, a Nazi or any other sort of criminal, I had inadvertently declared that I was not entering the US as a representative of foreign media ("You may not accept unauthorised employment or attend school or represent the foreign information media during your visit under this program").

My protestations that I had not noticed this caveat, nor been alerted to it, that I had travelled to the US on many occasions, both for work and pleasure, that I had, in fact, lived there as a permanent resident and that my husband was a US citizen, as was my New York-born daughter, all fell on deaf ears. He grinned. "You don't care, do you?" I said, with controlled anger. Then I backtracked, and assumed a begging, apologetic mode. In response, he told me I would have to be "interviewed", and that a decision would then be taken by yet another superior. This sounded hopeful.

Finally, after much scurrying around by officers, I was invited into an office and asked if I needed anything before we began. I requested a glass of water, which the interrogating officer brought me himself. He was a gentle, intelligent interrogator: the interview lasted several hours and consisted of a complete appraisal of my life, past and present, personal and professional. He needed information as diverse as my parents' names, the fee I would be paid for the article I was working on, what it was about, exactly, and, again, the names of people I was coming to interview. My biography was a confusing issue - I was born in one country, had lived in many others: who was I, exactly? For US immigration, my British passport was not enough of an identity. The officer said, pointedly, "You are Russian, yet you claim to be British", an accusation based on the fact that I was born in Moscow (though I never lived there). Your governor, went my mental reply, is Austrian, yet he claims to be American. After about three hours, during which I tried hard to fight jetlag and stay alert, we had produced several pages that were supposed to provide the invisible person in charge with enough material to say yes or no to my request to be allowed entry. My interrogator asked one last obligatory question, "Do you understand?"

"Yes, I understand," I sighed, and signed the form. The instant faxed response was an official, final refusal to enter the US for not having the appropriate visa. I'd have to go back to London to apply for it.

At this moment, the absurd but almost friendly banter between these men and myself underwent a sudden transformation. Their tone hardened as they said that their "rules" demanded that they now search my luggage. Before I could approach to observe them doing this, the officer who had originally referred me to his supervisor was unzipping my suitcase and rummaging inside. For the first time, I raised my voice: "How dare you touch my private things?"

"How dare you treat an American officer with disrespect?" he shouted back, indignantly. "Believe me, we have treated you with much more respect than other people. You should go to places like Iran, you'd see a big difference." The irony is that it is only "countries like Iran" (for example, Cuba, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe) that have a visa requirement for journalists. It is unheard of in open societies, and, in spite of now being enforced in the US, is still so obscure that most journalists are not familiar with it. Thirteen foreign journalists were detained and deported from the US last year, 12 of them from LAX.

After my luggage search, the officer took some mugshots of me, then proceeded to fingerprint me. In the middle of this, my husband rang from London; he had somehow managed to locate my whereabouts, and I was allowed briefly to wipe the ink off my hands to take the call. Hearing his voice was a reminder of the real world I was beginning to feel cut off from.

Three female officers arrived to do a body search. As they slipped on rubber gloves, I blenched: what were they going to do, and could I resist? They were armed, they claimed to have the law on their side. I was an anonymous foreigner who had committed a felony, and "those were the rules". So I was groped, unpleasantly, though not as intimately as I had feared. Then came the next shock: two bulky, uniformed and armed security men handcuffed me, which they explained was the "rule when transporting detainees through the airport". I was marched between the two giants through an empty terminal to a detention room, where I sat in the company of two other detainees (we were not allowed to communicate) and eight sleepy guards, all men. I would have been happy to spend the night watching TV with them, as they agreed to switch the channel from local news (highlight: a bear was loose in an affluent LA neighbourhood) to sitcoms and soaps. Their job was indescribably boring, they were overstaffed with nothing to do, and so making sure I didn't extract a pen or my mobile phone from my luggage must have seemed a welcome break. I listened to their star-struck stories about actors they had recently seen at LAX. We laughed in the same places during Seinfeld, an eerie experience. I was beginning to think I could manage this: the trip was a write-off, of course, but I could easily survive a night and a day of this kind of discomfort before flying back. But then I was taken to the detention cell in downtown LA, where the discomfort became something worse.

Though my experience was far removed from the images of real torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, it was also, as one American friend put it, "conceptually related", at distant ends of the same continuum and dictated by a disregard for the humanity of those deemed "in the wrong". American bloggers and journalists would later see my experience as reflecting the current malaise in the country. Dennis Roddy wrote in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "Our enemies are now more important to us than our friends ... Much of the obsession with homeland security seems to turn on the idea of the world infecting the US."

On a more practical level, this obsession, when practised with such extreme lack of intelligence (in both senses of the word), as in the case of my detention, must be misdirecting valuable money and manpower into fighting journalism rather than terrorism. Ordinary Americans, rather than the powers that be, are certainly able to make that distinction. According to an editor at the LA Times, there has been a "tremendous" response from readers to the reporting on my case, and I have received many emails expressing outrage and embarrassment. The novelist Jonathan Franzen wrote, "On behalf of the non-thuggish American majority, my sincere apologies."

These would have been comforting thoughts the following morning when I was driven back (in handcuffs, of course) to the communal detention room at LAX, and spent hours waiting, without food, while the guards munched enormous breakfasts and slurped hot morning drinks (detainees are not allowed tea or coffee). I incurred the wrath of the boss when I insisted on edible food. "I'm in charge in here. Do you know who you are? Do you know where you are? This isn't a hotel," he screamed.

"Why are you yelling?" I asked. "I'm just asking for some decent food. I'll pay for it myself." A Burger King fishburger never tasted so good. And it occurred to me that a hotel or transit lounge would have been a better place to keep travellers waiting to return home.

As documented by Reporters Without Borders and by the American Society of Newspaper Editors (Asne) in letters to Colin Powell and Tom Ridge, cases such as mine are part of a systemic policy of harassing media representatives from 27 friendly countries whose citizens - not journalists! - can travel to the US without a visa, for 90 days. According to Asne, this policy "could lead to a degradation of the atmosphere of mutual trust that has traditionally been extended professional journalists in these nations". Asne requested that the state department put pressure on customs and immigration to "repair the injustice that has been visited upon our colleagues". Someone must have listened, because the press office at the department of homeland security recently issued a memo announcing that, although the I-visa is still needed (and I've just received mine), new guidelines now give the "Port Directors leeway when it comes to allowing journalists to enter the US who are clearly no threat to our security". Well, fine, but doesn't that imply some journalists are a threat?

Maybe we are. During my surreal interlude at LAX, I told the officer taking my fingerprints that I would be writing about it all. "No doubt," he snorted. "And anything you'll write won't be the truth."
I know she should have read the form more carefully but this seems a bit much.
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Tribun wrote:America? The land of freedom?
Hahaha! Good joke!

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OMG it's the guardian! I'd wait for more sources to confirm this before spewing vomit like that.
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A bit over the top, but I do think she should have read the form and known what she was supposed to do. It's common sense when you go abroad, more so if you go to America in the current climate.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote: OMG it's the guardian! I'd wait for more sources to confirm this before spewing vomit like that.
Don't give me that, while the Guardian may be left leaning editorially it isn't in the business of fabricating news.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote: OMG it's the guardian! I'd wait for more sources to confirm this before spewing vomit like that.
Don't give me that, while the Guardian may be left leaning editorially it isn't in the business of fabricating news.
It is in the business of exaggeration, and withholding important facts. And in my opinion that is just as bad.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:OMG it's the guardian! I'd wait for more sources to confirm this before spewing vomit like that.
If you’d actually read the article you’d have noticed that the treatment of unfortunate journalist was covered in the LA Times. A quick search under her name and LAX revealed this article in SLATE the Guardian is a little to the left but that doesn't mean you can dismiss it's stories without even bothering to read them.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:It is in the business of exaggeration, and withholding important facts. And in my opinion that is just as bad.
Name me a news provider which doesn’t exaggerate and covers every aspect of every story it covers.
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Plekhanov wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:It is in the business of exaggeration, and withholding important facts. And in my opinion that is just as bad.
Name me a news provider which doesn’t exaggerate and covers every aspect of every story it covers.
The Guardian tends to do it a little more in my experience. The most recent example was their climate change report, where they had the "top secret" pentagon document.
They out right lied. It was never secret, and could be downloaded on several sites.
It also made very clear in the opening that it was a hypothetical worst case scenario that was unlikely to occur. It was also more on national security than climate change. The Guardian never mentioned that.
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Plekhanov wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:OMG it's the guardian! I'd wait for more sources to confirm this before spewing vomit like that.
If you’d actually read the article you’d have noticed that the treatment of unfortunate journalist was covered in the LA Times. A quick search under her name and LAX revealed this article in SLATE the Guardian is a little to the left but that doesn't mean you can dismiss it's stories without even bothering to read them.
I'm sure "her" story is all over the place. However, to me this looks like a case of "lets see how far I can go"

She knew she needed a visa to enter the US, yet she failed to have hers properly filled out. This is her fault, and I think she did it on purpose so she could have her "story"
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Overall, :roll: .

So she didn't have the proper visa's and got sent to a holding tank. Big deal. Granted, body cavity searches and the total time are a little extreme but really other than that. :roll:

So they searched her lugage. Woopeee. They do that in the airport too.
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Plekhanov wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:It is in the business of exaggeration, and withholding important facts. And in my opinion that is just as bad.
Name me a news provider which doesn’t exaggerate and covers every aspect of every story it covers.
I'l conceed that but the it still doesn't change the fact that the Guardian is rabid at it. They have an agenda against the US, something that is obvious in everything they do.
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Have yu actually read the Patriot Act by any chance? Regardless of whether she did it on purpose or not, we do STILL treat journalists from friendly countries like this. The fact is, we shouldnt have special requirements for jounalists, and we shouldnt treat them like shit either.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:It is in the business of exaggeration, and withholding important facts. And in my opinion that is just as bad.
Name me a news provider which doesn’t exaggerate and covers every aspect of every story it covers.
I'l conceed that but the it still doesn't change the fact that the Guardian is rabid at it. They have an agenda against the US, something that is obvious in everything they do.
Ah the reponse of the paranoid. Has it ever occured to you that maybe the US is in the wrong about a few things? Maybe they dont have an anti-US agenda, but rather disagee with US policy.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:Have yu actually read the Patriot Act by any chance? Regardless of whether she did it on purpose or not, we do STILL treat journalists from friendly countries like this. The fact is, we shouldnt have special requirements for jounalists, and we shouldnt treat them like shit either.
If she would have followed the rules, there is a good chance her trip would have gone without incident. I think she deserved, personally. People that like to push the envelop piss me off, especially during times like these.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Plekhanov wrote: Name me a news provider which doesn’t exaggerate and covers every aspect of every story it covers.
I'l conceed that but the it still doesn't change the fact that the Guardian is rabid at it. They have an agenda against the US, something that is obvious in everything they do.
Ah the reponse of the paranoid. Has it ever occured to you that maybe the US is in the wrong about a few things? Maybe they dont have an anti-US agenda, but rather disagee with US policy.
The US is wrong about a lot of things. However, a statement above pissed me off. Just because some journalist got spanked because she couldn't follow the rules now means that Bush is the next hitler and the US is the next germany? Fuck you.

She got treated like someone who doesn't follow the rules, I have no problem this. I expect americans to follow the rules in other countries as well, if they don't then whatever happens to them is their fault.
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So it doesnt matter to you if the policy itself is wrong? I suppose that people who "pushed the envelope" during the civil rights movement piss you off as well and deserved being hit with firehoses that can take off skin.

Afterall, they intentionaly broke the law.

A law that is unjust is still unjust, no matter who breaks it, and no matter what theri motivation is.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:So it doesnt matter to you if the policy itself is wrong? I suppose that people who "pushed the envelope" during the civil rights movement piss you off as well and deserved being hit with firehoses that can take off skin.

Afterall, they intentionaly broke the law.

A law that is unjust is still unjust, no matter who breaks it, and no matter what theri motivation is.
Why is this law unjust? Why is requiring jouranlists to have VISAs unjust?
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The US is wrong about a lot of things. However, a statement above pissed me off. Just because some journalist got spanked because she couldn't follow the rules now means that Bush is the next hitler and the US is the next germany? Fuck you.
Nice strawman

She got treated like someone who doesn't follow the rules, I have no problem this. I expect americans to follow the rules in other countries as well, if they don't then whatever happens to them is their fault.
Had the rule itself been reasonable I would agree with you, however it was not.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:Have yu actually read the Patriot Act by any chance? Regardless of whether she did it on purpose or not, we do STILL treat journalists from friendly countries like this. The fact is, we shouldnt have special requirements for jounalists, and we shouldnt treat them like shit either.
No, its a stupid law, but she didn't get gang raped in the holding tank or have a picture taken with a bag on her head. She was taken to a holding facility while they investigated it, and then deported her after checking her shit.

The law is dumb

The total time spent on it was dumb

But it wasn't a horrific experience and rather than being pissed that we were sooooo mean to her, perhaps she should have all of her little duckies in line when traveling. I'm sure if she went to Iraq, she'd have all her shit in line but since America is know to be the laid back country, she seemed to just be sloppy about her visa aplication.

Shit changed, read the fucking application and fill it out right.


That and her assumption that LA is laid back is simply hilarious. LA is the most stressed out town in America. Go drive on I5 or the 405 for a couple days, let alone some of the surface streets. :evil:
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:So it doesnt matter to you if the policy itself is wrong? I suppose that people who "pushed the envelope" during the civil rights movement piss you off as well and deserved being hit with firehoses that can take off skin.

Afterall, they intentionaly broke the law.

A law that is unjust is still unjust, no matter who breaks it, and no matter what theri motivation is.
Why is this law unjust? Why is requiring jouranlists to have VISAs unjust?
TO have a special VISA? Yes it is unjust. We have always extended proessional courtesy to reporters from friendly nations. But we are treating a brittish reporter as a security risk. As if the brittish have a tendancy to be terrorists.

They gave a brittish journalist a body cavity search. They didnt even give her a fucking bed or food. Jesus H. Christ. It is shit liek this, which is the very reasn the world at large is not happy with the US right now.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: Had the rule itself been reasonable I would agree with you, however it was not.
The rule is that she had to have a visa. Its not that unreasonable. Yes, too much time was spent on it, and the effort wasn't worth it, but it's her own fault.
When you travel, you make sure you know the requirements of your destination. She either didn't, in which case she's just a bit dim, or she didn't care, in which case she deserves it.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'm sure "her" story is all over the place. However, to me this looks like a case of "lets see how far I can go"

She knew she needed a visa to enter the US, yet she failed to have hers properly filled out. This is her fault, and I think she did it on purpose so she could have her "story"
Yes that’s it she deliberately got herself arrested just for the story :roll: Ever think that you might be getting a little paranoid, not all foreigners are out to get at the US you know.

I suppose the Australian journalist travelling to interview Olivia Newton-John and the French journalists going to E3 got themselves deliberately arrested as well didn’t they.
Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'l conceed that but the it still doesn't change the fact that the Guardian is rabid at it. They have an agenda against the US, something that is obvious in everything they do.
The Guardian is obviously no fan of Bush I fail to see that that makes it anti-American. Did you read the Slate article on this same issue that I posted does MSN also “have an agenda against the US” just in case you missed it here it is again.
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The US is wrong about a lot of things. However, a statement above pissed me off. Just because some journalist got spanked because she couldn't follow the rules now means that Bush is the next hitler and the US is the next germany? Fuck you.
Nice strawman

She got treated like someone who doesn't follow the rules, I have no problem this. I expect americans to follow the rules in other countries as well, if they don't then whatever happens to them is their fault.
Had the rule itself been reasonable I would agree with you, however it was not.
Jesus Christ, it wasn't a strawman. I was just telling you why I seem so pissed off about this.
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SHe had a VISA she simply didnt have the right type. It is very easy to miss the "cover my ass" disclaimers in tiny print at the corner of a pice of paper.

For most of her professional career she was able to travel to the US for 90 days at a time with no problems without needing a special VISA. Now, she needs a special VISA and in all liktelyhood was not informed, save for said "cover my ass" disclaimer

Had thedisclaimer not been in fine print, and had she been informed of the change in legistlation I would say "grill her" but it was in fine print, and for some reason she was not informed.
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