Man Takes on City Hall, Wins

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-06-05 08:36pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'm not rooting for this guy. Just because he is having a bad day means he should be able to ruin the lives of bunch of other people? Fuck that....he's where he belongs now. Dead

Wow, so because he destroyed some property he deserved to die?

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2004-06-05 08:50pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'm not rooting for this guy. Just because he is having a bad day means he should be able to ruin the lives of bunch of other people? Fuck that....he's where he belongs now. Dead

Fuck you. Property damage is not a capital crime.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-06-05 08:59pm

Jadeite wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'm not rooting for this guy. Just because he is having a bad day means he should be able to ruin the lives of bunch of other people? Fuck that....he's where he belongs now. Dead
Fuck you. Property damage is not a capital crime.

Piss off you troll. What this guy did was an attempt to destroy the lives of people he didn't like. He was dead wrong and what he dead was a threat to the lives of others. He got exactly what he deserved. What the fuck are police supposed to do in situations like this? Let the person go on destroying the city just because he isn't killing anyone?

You do realize this happened before. Someone stole a tank and didn't kill anyone yet the cops shot him because of the massive property damage he was causing and he was still a threat to people.

You people who are idolizing this guy are pathetic. This man was disgruntled over zoning changes and rather then try to change things or peacefully protest he attacks the property of those he disagreed with. For fucks sake, he attacked everyone on the board regardless of their feelings of the situation. And he attacked a fucking library. That is one of the biggest losses here.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-06-05 09:09pm

It was a creative protest, I'll give him that. But not worthy of praise. Anyone who sees themselves as anarchists or one-man armies that can change a nation by one stupid spontaneous act deserve a psychological evaluation, fee of charge.

There's no telling whether people could have been in those buildings anyway and crushed by the collapse of the walls etc. As pissed off as a guy can be about high tax or other such issues, that does not justify such an outburst with lethal potential.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-06-05 09:14pm

He knocked out several gas lines. There could have been a massive explosion, and he certainly didn't get out to check and make sure the buildings (and all neighbouring buildings) were empty before hitting them.

A gas line rupture can cause an explosion where you wouldn't expect it. Last year, a construction crew hit a gas line in Toronto thanks to incompetence and stupidity, and then failed to realize that by failing to excavate all of the dirt around the damaged line, they were forcing the leaking gas into the ground, where it found its way into a nearby building's basement. I don't think I need to explain the ending of this story; let's just say that several innocent people lost their lives.

Son of the Suns · Post by **Son of the Suns** » 2004-06-05 09:16pm

He easily could have killed people in that little stunt. It wouldn't have been excessive if the police had killed him during the incident.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-06-05 09:35pm

Alyeska wrote:You people who are idolizing this guy are pathetic. This man was disgruntled over zoning changes and rather then try to change things or peacefully protest he attacks the property of those he disagreed with.

He tried everything and they fucked him over in the end. I'd say he
got even

Proof that you CAN take on city hall and win, if you have
a Cat D-9

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-06-05 09:40pm

Alyeska wrote:Piss off you troll.

I was unaware that a 1,600+ post poster was a "troll".

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-06-05 09:44pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Piss off you troll.
I was unaware that a 1,600+ post poster was a "troll".

If someone thinks that this guy is some hero, they are either stupid, or a troll. That they reacted negatively to Sith's argument just makes it worse.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-06-05 09:52pm

Alyeska wrote:If someone thinks that this guy is some hero, they are either stupid, or a troll. That they reacted negatively to Sith's argument just makes it worse.

You sir, have no real sense of humor at all. The guy takes a page from
the A-Team, and armors up a bulldozer and proceeds to destroy his
enemies' businesses without harming anyone but himself. That's not only
cool, that's

absolutely fucking badassed cool

Son of the Suns · Post by **Son of the Suns** » 2004-06-05 09:54pm

Jadeite wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'm not rooting for this guy. Just because he is having a bad day means he should be able to ruin the lives of bunch of other people? Fuck that....he's where he belongs now. Dead
Fuck you. Property damage is not a capital crime.

hmmm but the reckless endangerment of human life certainly would justify lethal retaliation by the police. In any case I'm sure if someone was plowing through a building with your family inside of it you would probably wish them dead.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-06-05 09:56pm

I can understand where you're coming from (hell, I'll admit it; I heard the A-team theme song in my head when I found out about this). But it wouldn't have been so cool if somebody had been killed, and it's not like he was really taking that many precautions.

Son of the Suns · Post by **Son of the Suns** » 2004-06-05 09:56pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Alyeska wrote:If someone thinks that this guy is some hero, they are either stupid, or a troll. That they reacted negatively to Sith's argument just makes it worse.
You sir, have no real sense of humor at all. The guy takes a page from
the A-Team, and armors up a bulldozer and proceeds to destroy his
enemies' businesses without harming anyone but himself. That's not only
cool, that's

absolutely fucking badassed cool

It's absolutely fucking stupid. What if he had killed innocent people in those buildings? There's no way he could have know the buildings were unoccupied. It's assualt with a deadly weapon with intent to kill if nothing else.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2004-06-05 10:08pm

I’m something of a liberal and critical of what I percieve as excessive police violence but even I think they were well within their rights to shoot to kill on this occasion. This guy was recklessly demolishing an entire town with no concern for who he might kill or injure in a home made tank, shooting at the police with his MACHINE GUN and trying to blow up gas canisters. If he didn’t cross the line who does?

He apparently shot himself anyway so the police are off the hook.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-06-05 10:14pm

Son of the Suns wrote:It's absolutely fucking stupid. What if he had killed innocent people in those buildings? There's no way he could have know the buildings were unoccupied. It's assualt with a deadly weapon with intent to kill if nothing else.

It's not my fault the cops were plinking away for several hours to no
effect instead of driving down to the local ski lodge for a 106mm Recoilless Rifle.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-06-05 10:20pm

If an AI SM .338 Lapua couldn't do the job, I'd be impressed.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-06-05 11:39pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'm not rooting for this guy. Just because he is having a bad day means he should be able to ruin the lives of bunch of other people? Fuck that....he's where he belongs now. Dead
Wow, so because he destroyed some property he deserved to die?

No, because he put peoples lives in danger just over a zoning dispute. He could have easily killed someone.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-06-05 11:43pm

Jadeite wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'm not rooting for this guy. Just because he is having a bad day means he should be able to ruin the lives of bunch of other people? Fuck that....he's where he belongs now. Dead
Fuck you. Property damage is not a capital crime.

I'm pretty sure firing a machine gun at propane tanks and running into occupied buildings is a capital crime.

Today could have had a lot of innocent lives lost not to mention the lives that will be forever changed by this. Some business might be forced to close, for example.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-06-06 12:17am

He never fired on the propane tanks. Get your sources straight before you condemn people to death

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-06-06 12:18am

Unless he had incendiary rounds, it wouldn't have mattered too much anyway. But the point remains, he was running the risk of producing a death toll.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-06-06 01:22am

Considering the amount of property destroyed, the livelihoods of some people ruined, and the sheer chaos caused by this stunt, I'll sound really callous when I say this, but honestly this is incredibly funny.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-06-06 01:36am

Alyeska wrote:You do realize this happened before. Someone stole a tank and didn't kill anyone yet the cops shot him because of the massive property damage he was causing and he was still a threat to people.

You people who are idolizing this guy are pathetic.

By the time the cops were actually able to get to him (which required multiple explosive charges placed by the SWAT team), he was no longer a threat; the killdozer had broken down by then. He wasn't going anywhere. If the police had killed him as soon as they'd gotten the dozer open, it would have been excessive force because he no longer posed a threat.

What, we can't laugh at the situation and have fun with it? Nobody was hurt. That's what's important. If someone had been killed, it would be completely different, but that's not the case. It's not like we're saying "people should do this", we're just taking advantage of this opportunity to be able to have a laugh at the insanity that humanity can produce. Besides, if they were smart, they'd call him a terrorist and get excessive amounts of cash out of the Feds like the people associated with the WTC did.

No, because he put peoples lives in danger just over a zoning dispute. He could have easily killed someone.

Okay... so what are you going to do? The cops did fire at him, several times... they couldn't penetrate the armor. So what use would killing him be when the killdozer was down and they could finally get at the armor with explosive charges?

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-06-06 02:55am

Wait... he killed himself, didn't he?

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-06-06 03:58am

Yes. I was addressing the hypothetical possibility of if he hadn't.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-06-06 04:07am

Howedar wrote:He never fired on the propane tanks. Get your sources straight before you condemn people to death

I misread the part about the propane tanks. I guess he aimed his weapons at the propane tanks but didn't fire. I don't see why the officer felt that was worth mentioning considering they are mounted on so they have no choice but to go in the direction they are pointed. But anyway I digress....

He still ran into buildings so whether he fired on those propane tanks or not is actually quite irrelevant because he still could have easily crushed someone.

I still believe he got what he deserved.