Saving Anakan and Obi-wan

[aten_vs_ra]

When that huge power conduit or whatever was about to fall on Anakin and Kenobi how come Yoda didn't just pull them out from under with the force. If he could have would it have made any difference in catching Dooku?

[Ghost Rider]

When that huge power conduit or whatever was about to fall on Anakin and Kenobi how come Yoda didn't just pull them out from under with the force. If he could have would it have made any difference in catching Dooku?

So between preventing them being crushed or moving a person who's likely go into shock and possibly incite further injury in Anakin, Yoda should've done the far more dangerous method?

Literally this one is simplicity itself when thinking in real terms medical thought.

[aten_vs_ra]

So between preventing them being crushed or moving a person who's likely go into shock and possibly incite further injury in Anakin, Yoda should've done the far more dangerous method?

Literally this one is simplicity itself when thinking in real terms medical thought.

Well how well can a lightsaber cauterize wounds? When Luke got his hand cut off he went through a great deal of movement before getting medical attention.

[Ghost Rider]

So between preventing them being crushed or moving a person who's likely go into shock and possibly incite further injury in Anakin, Yoda should've done the far more dangerous method?

Literally this one is simplicity itself when thinking in real terms medical thought.

Well how well can a lightsaber cauterize wounds? When Luke got his hand cut off he went through a great deal of movement before getting medical attention.

Not quite the same given both Anakin was also electrocuted and thrown as well.

And also this was Anakin's forearm...much deeper and nastier injury.

[aten_vs_ra]

What kind of injurys did Obi-wan recieve anyway? I never got a good look at them.

[Darth Phoenix]

What kind of injurys did Obi-wan recieve anyway? I never got a good look at them.

IIRC Two lightsaber slices, one to the leg and another to the arm near the shoulder.
They weren't deep they were just to incapacitate.

[Kurgan]

Another popular variant on the thread poster's question...

Why didn't Yoda drop the big thing on top of Dooku's ship (or Dooku himself) instead of tossing it uselessly in the background (and thus allowing the war to continue)?

Could have solved two problems at once (since we all berate Yoda for being such a Jedi-centric goof and saving his two friends instead of the billions of lives that might be lost if Dooku can continue the war).

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I don't think he would have been able to do such in time.

[Slartibartfast]

So between preventing them being crushed or moving a person who's likely go into shock and possibly incite further injury in Anakin, Yoda should've done the far more dangerous method?

Literally this one is simplicity itself when thinking in real terms medical thought.

Well how well can a lightsaber cauterize wounds? When Luke got his hand cut off he went through a great deal of movement before getting medical attention.

By "incite further injury" GR probably means Yoda damaging them by Force-pulling them.

[President Sharky]

Even better: Why didn't Padme's gunship shoot down Dooku's ship as it was taking off? It could have easily given chase and blown it away with its laser cannons or homing missiles.

[Zac Naloen]

Even better: Why didn't Padme's gunship shoot down Dooku's ship as it was taking off? It could have easily given chase and blown it away with its laser cannons or homing missiles.

i disagree the gunships are never shown to have anywhere the same abilities at acceleration as Dooku's escape ship.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Even better: Why didn't Padme's gunship shoot down Dooku's ship as it was taking off? It could have easily given chase and blown it away with its laser cannons or homing missiles.

i disagree the gunships are never shown to have anywhere the same abilities at acceleration as Dooku's escape ship.

That's sure an understatement. The ICS2 states that the Gunship has only 620 KPH, while Dooku's sailer has 1600 KPH.

[Robert Treder]

Not to mention they were "Out of rockets, sir." The fact that they didn't use their lasers or homing missiles against the Geonosian fighters suggests that these weapons are insufficient for the shields mounted on space-faring vessels such as Dooku's sailer.

[Praxis]

Not to mention they were "Out of rockets, sir." The fact that they didn't use their lasers or homing missiles against the Geonosian fighters suggests that these weapons are insufficient for the shields mounted on space-faring vessels such as Dooku's sailer.

Not true- that was Anakin and Obi-Wan's gunship.

Watch carefully- they jump out of the gunship to go after Dooku, which promptly gets blown up by the geonosian fighters as it tries to take off again.

Padme arrived in ANOTHER gunship, which likely had full rockets.

However, Dooku got a bit of a head start and has a far faster ship.

[Kurgan]

Even better: Why didn't Padme's gunship shoot down Dooku's ship as it was taking off? It could have easily given chase and blown it away with its laser cannons or homing missiles.

i disagree the gunships are never shown to have anywhere the same abilities at acceleration as Dooku's escape ship.

Yeah, goodness knows those Solar Sails can fly like bats out of hell...*


*Kidding! You just know somebody besides me was thinking that, even if it flies in the face of the "logic" of SOD. So ha! Don't get upset. ; )

[Kurgan]

Not to mention they were "Out of rockets, sir." The fact that they didn't use their lasers or homing missiles against the Geonosian fighters suggests that these weapons are insufficient for the shields mounted on space-faring vessels such as Dooku's sailer.

Though that doesn't explain why they wouldn't be adequate to shoot down an open cockpit speeder bike. ; p

"All out of ordinance" is how the line is stated in the novelisation. Oh well...

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Yeah, goodness knows those Solar Sails can fly like bats out of hell...*


*Kidding! You just know somebody besides me was thinking that, even if it flies in the face of the "logic" of SOD. So ha! Don't get upset. ; )

They're not solar sails. If you didn't have such an intention of being an unknowledgable smartass, you'd probably know that...

[Kurgan]

I see sarcasm and wit are not wasted on you Spankster ol chap. ; )

[Coalition]

One other option might be, for Yoda to push the conduit away from Anakin and Obi-wan, letting it fall to their side.

That is one idea I heard, and my counter was that Dooku was holding it in place over then, and Yoda had to lift it and try to push it to either side. Dooku was just strong enough to accomplish that, while escaping.

Of course, since Dooku had stared at everything as he performed his Force acts, and didn't look at the column, some might think that Dooku wasn't holding it there via Force.

(if this sounds contorted, it is because I am presenting both arguments, mine & someone else's)

(mine = Dooku was keeping the conduit above Anakin & Obi, so Yoda couldn't move it)

(other = Dooku was not using the Force, as he wasn't looking at it, and in the rest of the movie, when he used the Force, he looked at it)

[hvb]

Padme arrived in ANOTHER gunship, which likely had full rockets.

Why should this be likely? the only known ammo status we know is the first gunship, and that is Winchester (for missiles anyway). It would make more sense to assume that any other gunship would be near-empty or empty too. (of course near-empty would still nail Dooku, if they fired before he launched).

The observed acceleration of the gunboat missile armamant does not seem to be on a scale with the observed acceleration of Dooku's escape vehicle, so they would most likely not have sufficed to take him out of the equation after he took off.
Hence Yoda was the only one who had a chance to stop Dooku after Anakin & Obi-wan had failed, unless Padme was willing to use a gunboat on the facility, and thus on the 3 Jedi inside.

[Kurgan]

Anybody got any estimates on the gunship speeds seen in the Clone Wars cartoon series (if we even count that anyway)?

[Wild Karrde]

One other option might be, for Yoda to push the conduit away from Anakin and Obi-wan, letting it fall to their side.

That is one idea I heard, and my counter was that Dooku was holding it in place over then, and Yoda had to lift it and try to push it to either side. Dooku was just strong enough to accomplish that, while escaping.

Of course, since Dooku had stared at everything as he performed his Force acts, and didn't look at the column, some might think that Dooku wasn't holding it there via Force.

(if this sounds contorted, it is because I am presenting both arguments, mine & someone else's)

(mine = Dooku was keeping the conduit above Anakin & Obi, so Yoda couldn't move it)

(other = Dooku was not using the Force, as he wasn't looking at it, and in the rest of the movie, when he used the Force, he looked at it)

If you look at the scene Dooku snaps the column, runs to his ship, and pauses at the hatch looking back at the column. Also the door to his ship doesn't close until after Yoda manages to push the column away.

Dooku could have been standing just inside the hatch fighting through the force over the column to distract Yoda to gain enough time to power up his ship.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Anybody got any estimates on the gunship speeds seen in the Clone Wars cartoon series (if we even count that anyway)?

Canon top speed from the ICS2 for the gunship is 620 KPH.

[Praxis]

Better question.

Dooku makes the pillar start falling.

Yoda shuts off his lightsaber, stretches out his arms, and stops it, holding into the air.

Dooku jumps away, looks for a moment, and runs.

Why didn't Dooku just chop Yoda's head off when he shut off his saber?

[Kurgan]

Anybody got any estimates on the gunship speeds seen in the Clone Wars cartoon series (if we even count that anyway)?

Canon top speed from the ICS2 for the gunship is 620 KPH.

And this overrides anything seen onscreen in the animated series? I'm thinking of the scene where they enter orbit and start attacking the city rather quickly. But it's been awhile since I've watched it and I haven't tried to measure if that looks like 620 kph.


Maybe Dooku was using the Force to make Yoda's job tougher, it would help explain why Yoda was otherwise not thinking ahead.